Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Marc St Louis on August 26, 2015, 11:21:26 am
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I went out yesterday to buy my wife a shotgun, she's not familiar with guns and not very strong so I figured she could handle a 410 for small game. The place we went to was clearing out this gun at $230 which was almost half price. I let her hold it to see if it was too heavy for her and she said she was okay with it so it came home with us, I thought the option of being able to use the 45 Colt in it was neat. Anyone have any experience with it?
This is what it looks like, just a picture from the internet.
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Cool gun Marc. I've been told all my life a .45 will fire out of a .410 bore. Never tired it myself.
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I wouldn't try it unless the barrel is rifled. We had one when I was growing up and I would shoot squirrels with shot. And deer with the 45 slug. Patrick
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Actually the barrel is rifled
What I heard when I was young was that a 44 40 would shoot out of a 410
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The taurus judge revolver shoots both.. Note - 45 colt ammo ain't cheap unless you load then it ain't bad.. Neat little gun.. I got a topper158 30/30 and a 20g shotgun
Thanks Leroy
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Actually I have most everything to reload 45 amo including a bullet mold. The only thing I need is a set of dies
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Man Marc that thing will hold a tight pattern. The on we had sure did. My dad and I use to take it to Turkey shoots. We won't almost every one we entered. They have a little more thump to. Patrick
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Actually I have most everything to reload 45 amo including a bullet mold. The only thing I need is a set of dies
Dies arn't bad.. Lee are cheap but ok.. I use rcbs carbide but I'm a fan of the green machine.. Bullet mould.. Flat base or gas check.. I use the Lyman 252rnfp the right lube and lead hardness your styling
Thanks Leroy
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Well she hasn't tried it with the 45 yet but we picked some up today and they are expensive, $28 for 20 rounds. Used to pay that for 50 rounds of 44 mag.
I have RCBS, Lyman and Lee dies and I haven't found any difference between any of them. The other thing I am missing is some brass but I know where to get some of that. The mould I have is a 200 grain flat base semi wad cutter, it should work just fine.
I'm just wondering if this little gun will handle hot loads
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Marc,
As I understand it, the rifled barreled 410/45 comes with a screw in choke (for use with the shotgun rounds) and is necessary because the rifled barrel is "overbore" for the 410 cylinder bore. One other thing is that were you to hand-load all brass 410 cases (Magtech) that case is actually closer to the colt head dimensions than is the plastic cased shells. The reason I say that is that the plastic wad types will rotate down the rifling and even w/ the modified choke insert the patterns will tend to open up very quickly....where-as a brass cartridge case can be loaded w/o a press and use of copper shot combined with fiber wads and a glued overshot card should pattern very well.
That particular firearm has a variation offered in .233 and .308 Nato so the action and breech area are more than sufficient for any load listed for the Colt. My last experience with the idea of pistol round firing carbines is the velocity is going to surprise you....here's an example.... A factory 158 grn .357 magnum (Remington) produced regular velocities between 1750 and 1850 fps. These were cronigraphed from a 16" carbine rifle while I was testing body-armor as part of the patent process and testing for submission to the NIJ Certification process and the velocities were confirmed by H.P.White Laboratories. Your Colt round or home-made slug based upon the true bore size will generate velocities that will surprise you.
Anyway, you have chosen a very well made, wide application gun.
rich
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I've got a snake slayer derringer, from bond arms, that shoots both just fine. It's gotta be 45 colt though, then any old 410 shell works. I love it. I would love to have it in long gun form, like what you got there. It's a deer gun and small game gun in one. Sweet gun if ya ask me.
Tattoo Dave
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I want. I wish it would accept 45acp.
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Sleek, if you reload, you can get .45 rimmed cases.
They will fit the Colt, and S.W. revolvers chambered in .45 ACP, so you don't have to use the half, or full moon clips.
Wayne
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Im a big nut, but a gun nut I am not. I know a little about what I own and that's it. Id like it to be able to share a round with my Taurus millennium pro 45.
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I'm just wondering if this little gun will handle hot loads
Yes it will,but you should know,for your wifes sake,that the hot loads out of that light of a gun,will have substantial recoil compared to a pump or semi auto.
In a smooth bore,there are adapters made,that allow you to shoot several calibers of shot shells as well as rifle and pistol loads.
These little shotguns are damn near indestructible and easy to smith on yourself. unfortunately,H&R was bought out and they are no longer producing these shotguns rifles or slug guns.Its a shame because they really are a great gun.
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The pattern was not great at 15 yards but good enough for small game.
I have a fair bit of reloading supplies for the 410 Rich, I've owned one on and off for most of my life. The brass cases would be hard for me to get and I don't expect she will be using it that much to make it worthwhile getting some. I have a 44 mag rifle and used to have a Super Blackhawk and I also have owned a chronograph for many years so I know how much gain you can get out of the extra barrel length. She is happy with the gun and that is what matters.
I haven't had much to do with guns for many years but now I'm gonna have to pull out my books and do a bit of experimental reloading to see what this thing likes. I don't plan on upping the 45 loads much because I'm sure she will complain over the recoil, she finds the 410 bucks a bit much :laugh:
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Marc,
I have not owned one of those, but believe they have a "compartment" behind the butt plate for survival items. If that is true you might be able to fit a recoil reducing system in there. I'm sure that recoil is not an issue for you but is very real to your wife so that might help some. Also a bullet in the 180 to 230 range will help some as well.
One other thing as an idea would be to cast .45 bullets and paper-patch them. No leading and reduced recoil are some benefits. The only other idea for recoil reduction would be to use a "slower" burning powder, because you have more barrel to burn it in, and it will slow down the recoil impulse to more of a "push" than a "hit".
Hope she gets used to it, because they are a fine gun with lots of applications.
rich
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They do have a compartment in the butt Rich and apparently another in the forestock. I have a 200 grain bullet mould for my .45 acp, it should work well. I sort of figured slower powder would be the way to go, I've done a lot of experimenting in my day
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Greybeards outdoors forum has a h&r section.. Lots of info on different guns.. Quicktodo is the mod on that section seems to know his stuff.. Check it out sometime
Thanks Leroy
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I grew up shooting an old Iver Johnson 16 gauge.Killed more game with it than my friends did with their pumps.
I recently found the exact same gun,still in great shape and bought it for 80 bucks.I absolutely love the old break action shotguns.
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I grew up shooting an old Iver Johnson 16 gauge.Killed more game with it than my friends did with their pumps.
I recently found the exact same gun,still in great shape and bought it for 80 bucks.I absolutely love the old break action shotguns.
For me it was a single shot 410. I killed a lot of ducks with that gun
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I agree, Marc. My first gun was a single shot, bolt action 410. My Grandson is the owner now. I also have a pump and two 410/.22 o/u's. One with a Bakalite stock and the other I gave $25 for. It was missing a forestock and that cost me $65. Those are my squirrel guns.