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Title: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: AncientTech on June 20, 2015, 09:25:12 pm
https://archive.org/details/investigationsco00purd (https://archive.org/details/investigationsco00purd)  (Purdy, 1971)

Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: JackCrafty on June 21, 2015, 02:00:52 pm
Very interesting read.  A surprising finding was the idea that the removal of water from the stone makes it easier to chip.

A desirable change does occur when Florida cherts
are thermally altered resulting in a stone that is easier to
flake than its unheated counterpart. No structural change
occurs in that the size, shape, and orientation of the
individual microcrystals remain the same, but through the
removal of interstitial water, the microcrystals are fitted
closer together when certain materials other than SiO2 serve
as fluxes. When the flaw is introduced which is preliminary
to and necessary for fracture to occur, the heated rock
responds more like glass than a rock aggregate. In other
words, crystal boundaries are no longer interfering with
the removal of flakes. These statements have been substantiated
throughout this dissertation by rock mechanics
tests, scanning electron microscope illustrations, analyses
demonstrating a reduction in surface area of heated materials,
as well as intuitive observations and experiments.


Pages 89 and 90.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: caveman2533 on June 21, 2015, 02:50:55 pm
is an interesting read,  I found it interesting that compressive strength increased and tensile decreased.

 
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: AncientTech on June 21, 2015, 08:35:10 pm
"The unheated Ocala chert withstood forces of 2700 psi.  This represents a reduction in force of 45% needed to break the material."..."The amount of force used to induce failure of the material by point tensile stress is ESSENTIALLY THE SAME as the strength needed to induce fracture when manufacturing lithic tools BY EITHER PERCUSSION OR PRESSURE METHODS."

What this study does not address is two aspects of failure - initial breakage, and the carrying of the flake to completion.  Which requires more energy?  The initial break?  Or the completion of the break, after it starts? 

So, they accurately point out that a reduction in tensile strength corresponds to easier material failure, in terms of creating a fracture.  For this reason, the advantages in either percussion flaking, or pressure flaking, are cited.  But, what if a tool flaking process actually generates greater force, with less shock, and over longer periods of time?  Then, what does that say about the kinds of flakes that can be initiated, and carried to completion?  And, what does that say about the materials that can be worked?

If they knew that they were going to employ greater flaking forces, with less shock, then would they necessarily have to weaken the tensile strength, via thermal alteration, simply to reduce the stone?   
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: mullet on June 21, 2015, 08:41:05 pm
This is really nothing new for people that chip Florida stone. Anybody want some?
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: caveman2533 on June 21, 2015, 09:32:36 pm
It tells me if they were heating their stone that they had not discovered your mysterious process.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: Hopewell point on June 21, 2015, 09:37:08 pm
Mullet, you offering Florida rock? How much and what is it like?
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: soy on June 22, 2015, 05:26:07 pm
This is really nothing new for people that chip Florida stone. Anybody want some?


Yep >:D
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: JackCrafty on June 22, 2015, 07:22:32 pm
Hopewell,
Florida chert is rated pretty low by most knappers unless it's heat treated... maybe a 2 on a scale of 1-10.  And you need a lot of heat (600oF). More heat than a turkey roaster can generate.

With heat, Florida chert becomes about a 6 on a scale of 1-10.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: Hopewell point on June 23, 2015, 01:36:38 pm
Thanks Jackcrafty for the info!
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: mullet on June 23, 2015, 05:35:46 pm
Ocala Chert and Brooksville Chert will heat treat around 450-500dgs. Quiet a few chert points found down here have been heat treated. Most high quality Marion, Newnan and Hillsborough's that are real thin have been heat treated.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: AncientTech on July 23, 2015, 12:25:05 am
On Clovis thermal alteration, at the Ready Site

http://www.clt.astate.edu/jmorrow/clovis.pdf

Morrow: 

"Due to the proximity of the Ready site to residual or lag deposits of high- quality Burlington chert, it is not surprising that this material dominates the entire site assemblage. Considering only the fluted points and preforms from the site, some 86.5 percent are made of Burlington chert. An occasional fluted biface in the collection will exhibit traces of incidental (unintentional) exposure to heat but NOT ONE OF THESE ARTIFACTS APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY HEAT TREATED. Judging from the large numbers of unfluted, but potentially Early Paleoindian stage 2 and 3 bifaces recovered from the site, all stages of point production are well represented in this local RAW MATERIAL."

A total of 694 artifacts were collected at the Ready Site, and preserved in six collections.  This includes HUNDREDS of Paleoindian artifacts (PAGE 3).  This also includes 224 fluted biface rejects (PAGE 4).  Approximately 86.5% of the fluted bifaces, and preforms, were made from local Burlington chert (PAGE 4).  What is the incidence of intentional thermal alteration of the Burlinton material?  Apparently, the incidence of intentional thermal alteration is 0%, in spite of the fact that there are HUNDREDS of Burlington bifaces, and preforms (PAGE 4).

MODERN KNAPPER'S EMPLOYMENT OF THERMAL ALTERATION VERSUS CLOVIS PEOPLE:

Burlington 600-650 DEGREES - On the following materials, dry out at 200° for 8 hours,then ramp up 50° per hour temp indicated. HOLD FOR 8 HOURS. Ramp back down at 30-50° per hour.

http://orerockon.com/Heat_treating.htm

Burlington Chert - 650-675 DEGREES - HOLD MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR 72 HOURS.

http://www.pugetsoundknappers.com/how_to/Heat%20Treating%20Guide%20with%20Table.html

CLOVIS PEOPLES - NO THERMAL ALTERATION OF BURLINGTON CHERT.

So, why would Clovis people not employ thermal alteration at all, while working materials such as raw Burlington chert, even while they occasionally used thermal on other materials such as hard jaspers, and possibly even agatized coral?

It is my opinion that there are at least three possible answers to this question:

A.  The Clovis knappers were employing flaking processes that generated much greater power than can be generated via hand-swung batons.  Thus, making the stone any weaker simply was not necessary.

B.  The Clovis knappers employed thermal alteration primarily as a means of altering grain, while conserving tensile strength as much as possible.  As a result, some types of naturally blocky materials, would have become more easy to work, possibly with the conservative employment thermal alteration.  In essence, the focus would be to improve grain, but not necessarily overly weaken inherent tensile strength. 

C.  Possibly, both ideas - A and B - could have been involved in the choices once made by the Clovis knappers.

Here is an example of a high power flaking operation, involving a common deer tine, and raw Colha chert, that other knappers may cook for up to fifteen hours, in a commercial kiln - this experimental example is raw.  Perhaps the Clovis knappers used some similar process:

(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/benjamineble/Holy%20Grail%20Outre%20Passe/test%2016/012.jpg) (http://s677.photobucket.com/user/benjamineble/media/Holy%20Grail%20Outre%20Passe/test%2016/012.jpg.html)

(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/benjamineble/Holy%20Grail%20Outre%20Passe/test%2016/013.jpg) (http://s677.photobucket.com/user/benjamineble/media/Holy%20Grail%20Outre%20Passe/test%2016/013.jpg.html)

(Disclaimer:  These photos are not intended to represent a "how to" tutorial on flaking.  They are simply intended to illustrate the effects of high powered flaking processes, on raw materials, similar to what can be noted in the archaeological record.)

   
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: AncientTech on July 23, 2015, 12:29:34 am
It tells me if they were heating their stone that they had not discovered your mysterious process.

So, do you think that the stone tool needs of Paleoindian era big game butcherers was the same as the stone tool needs of archaic era small game hunters?  If not, then of the two parties which party would have needed high tensile strength edges, that did not quickly wear out? 
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: mullet on July 23, 2015, 02:07:08 pm
I've watched Claude Van Order percussion reduce/ flake, raw coral and Florida cherts using copper boppers, antler billets and hammer stones. He consistently reduces these hard rocks using these different tools. But he prefers copper. I have a Clovis made from Argilite that he freehand fluted with a copper billet while talking to a group of people just to show it could be done with copper.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: Dalton Knapper on July 23, 2015, 03:25:57 pm
Jeff Gatwood in NE Arkansas makes excellent Clovis and Dalton points from unaltered Lafayette Formation (Crowley's Ridge) materials and that stuff is hard as the dickens. Julie Morrow (the author referenced a couple of posts up, and station archeologist at ASU in Jonesboro, AR) has even made comments to me about Jeff's ability to tackle the raw material. I am pretty sure Jeff uses billets and likely copper.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: Chippintuff on July 25, 2015, 12:32:38 am
If the beneficial effect is due to merely the reduction in moisture in the stone, why does some stone require higher temps? Why can't they all be treated effectively at 250 F? If the stone has been cooked a little too hot or too long, what is to prevent soaking it in water to restore it's raw state, assuming that internal fractures have not been made. I think he did mention that cooked stone eventually returns to the raw state. If that is so, why not cook the stone, flake it, then soak it in water to restore it's original durability?

WA
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: Dalton Knapper on July 25, 2015, 01:02:19 pm
Agreed - some people swear by using soaked stone or stone fresh from the ground because it knapps more easily than dried out raw stone. I have heard heat treating may break the microcrystalline bonds to a degree, hence heat treating works.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: JackCrafty on July 25, 2015, 04:48:57 pm
Good points Chippin.  I've got stuff that I heat treated 3 years ago and it's sitting on the ground getting wet from our sprinkler system every day.  It still knaps the same whever a grab a piece from the pile.  A patina has developed on most of the material but I see no reason to believe water has anything to do with the heat treating process... that's why I think the idea is surprising.  Experience tells me that the rock gets weaker from heat and never recovers.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: caveman2533 on July 25, 2015, 04:51:23 pm
Its not just a reduction in moisture its a "compaction" of the crystals. Compaction not being the word I really want. It is actually removed on a molecular level from the spaces between the crystals and causes them to be tighter.  My rock and mineral club had a geologist speaking one night and he was discussing crystal structure and how water affected cyrstal growth and  when it was removed it somehow broke the bonds or .... It was very confusing and most people were pretty lost.  I would like to contact him as he does not live far from me and talk to him more about it. He was retired and  very passionate about his work.
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: Ghost Knapper on July 25, 2015, 05:16:49 pm
A good explanation of two possible theories on heat treating can be found in "The Art of Flintknapping".

Short Versions:

Purdy/Brooks Theory- "..claim that the matrix of impurities around the quartz crystals melts and reforms into a denser material that holds the crystals more firmly..." "This would permit the shock waves to travel not only around but through the crystals as well". -D.C. Waldorf

Flenniken/Garrison- "...instead of reforming the matrix the heat causes micro fracturing of both matrix and crystals..." "...being of different composition the matrix and crystals expand at different rates causing the micro fractures..." -D.C. Waldorf

One group was using florida cherts the other novaculite so both theories could be right. The above information is in Chapter 2 (page 9 in the fifth edition)
Title: Re: 1971: "Investigations concerning the thermal alteration of silica minerals"
Post by: Zuma on July 26, 2015, 10:09:31 am
Quote from Ben's info

" NOT ONE OF THESE ARTIFACTS APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY HEAT TREATED. Judging from the large numbers of unfluted, but potentially Early Paleoindian stage 2 and 3 bifaces recovered from the site, all stages of point production are well represented in this local RAW MATERIAL."

This includes HUNDREDS of Paleoindian artifacts (PAGE 3).  This also includes 224 fluted biface rejects (PAGE 4)"

Ben---To bad you don't show the INTENTIONAL OVERSHOT Clovis RAW material from this site.
If these dudes knew your secret, why so many failures??
Please respond with coherent, honest answers.   Especially about your failures in raw chert.