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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: simson on June 16, 2015, 01:47:59 pm

Title: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: simson on June 16, 2015, 01:47:59 pm

This is a short time (about 30 h) fumed elm flattie. The remaining cambium on the back turned into a deep black, really great effect. Next time I will leave on more cambium! The wood came out a lot more darker than before, but obviously there are not that much tannin acids in elm than in osage or ash.

It came from a sapling, you can see the pith channel on a handle pic. The limbs have some changing twist in them, I left it  - cause no problem whiletillering. I made  a HLD cross profile and I must say this bow is a very good shooter. The bow is mild heat treated before fine tillering, the color is not from the heating but alone from fuming.

Tips are buffalo horn.
Perhaps it don't looks so in the pics, but this is a big bow: 68½” long and 2¼” wide at max.
Drawweight is 67#/28”.

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Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Ryan C on June 16, 2015, 02:22:45 pm

Very nice

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: dratera on June 16, 2015, 02:31:58 pm

Im impressed, I was happy with my elm flatbow, until I saw this one. Now mine looks like something a 10 year old have made. Super nice, I have no idea how you manage to make it "hollow" like that, but i love it. Also dealing with all those dents and dips. Let alone the respectable draw weight. I havent heard about fuming before, how do you do it? I like the result, i also leave cambrium but it doesnt look as cool as this. And concur with the choice of no handle wrapping, too pretty to cover up. 10 out of 10 from me

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: huisme on June 16, 2015, 02:34:02 pm

Yowza :o :o :o

I second the question, how does fuming work? I wonder if it'd give fresher locust its darkened dead-standing look.

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: alwayslookin on June 16, 2015, 03:41:08 pm

Simson  your a straight machine man :o  You inspire me a lot to do more. Keep up the stellar work.   Guys he has a thread on fuming. Check it out. http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,52210.0.html

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: dratera on June 16, 2015, 03:51:35 pm

Thanks man

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: wizardgoat on June 16, 2015, 04:15:12 pm

That is a drool worthy bow. Great style and execution as usual

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Aaron H on June 16, 2015, 04:33:03 pm

Another great bow Simon.  Very nice tiller

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: adams89 on June 16, 2015, 05:19:30 pm

Puristic excellence !

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Badly Bent on June 16, 2015, 08:33:06 pm

The bows your turning out are works of art, the HLD's, the fuming and every bow you make. Your work is always interesting and beautiful to look at Simon, thanks for sharing t with us.

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: IdahoMatt on June 17, 2015, 01:01:23 am

I just love those HLD's you put out.  Keep em coming  :)

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: GB on June 17, 2015, 01:41:11 am

By now I know enough to keep my hand under my jaw so I can catch it when it drops.  Ausgezeichnet!

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Pappy on June 17, 2015, 05:44:56 am

Another nice one, beautiful work. :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Carson (CMB) on June 17, 2015, 11:12:06 am

Excellent indeed. I wont ever get tired of looking at your bows.

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: PAHunter on June 17, 2015, 02:42:55 pm

I really like that bow!  The simplicity is beautiful.  Great work!

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Jim Davis on June 17, 2015, 07:37:16 pm

OK, another term has caught me napping. What does HLD stand for?????


Jim Davis

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: bowmo on June 17, 2015, 07:43:00 pm

Lookin good. Real Good. One of these days I need to try one of those hollow limbers.

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Chief RID on June 18, 2015, 09:50:12 am

I am more than intrigued. Simon. Help me understand. You have a high crowned back. Do you pick a thickness of the limb for the edges and then hollow the belly out to keep the same thickness in the center where the thicker crown is? Then how do you tiller? Does this make the crowned back actually do some work? This makes more since that decrowning and having a feathered back that could be too weak when you leave the belly flat. I love it.

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: dantolin on June 18, 2015, 11:06:50 am

Very nice bow (as all you craft).
:)

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Hans H on June 18, 2015, 05:30:40 pm

Looks realy good. like the colour.

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: DC on June 18, 2015, 06:46:26 pm

Quote from: asharrow on June 17, 2015, 07:37:16 pm

OK, another term has caught me napping. What does HLD stand for?????


Jim Davis

Hollow limb design maybe?

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: simson on June 19, 2015, 04:50:59 am

Thanks for your interest and your comments!
Some guys have already answered the questions (thanks),
HLD stands for Hollow Limb Design, more info: http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,41217.0.html
I'm convinced BL will take the fuming very good (much tan acids in), but I haven't tried fuming a BL bow yet. Will do on an upcoming project.

Title: Re: Elm HLD flat bow (No. 66)
Post by: Chief RID on June 19, 2015, 10:22:06 am

Thanks for that link to the build along. it answered all my questions and confirmed my thought somewhat. I am going to have to try this. It sure opens up a whole new source of materials. I tried to search yesterday but did not find it.