Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Markus on June 05, 2015, 06:54:12 am
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I think this have been mentioned before, but here goes. In 2011 under excavations of an now under sea level stone age site in Hjarnø sund in Horsens fjord Denmark, among other things a 3/4 of an Elm bow was found. I have made a bow after that find, it is not a copy or replica, but have the same shape. In lack of good Elm I made it in Ash. There was no trace of a string notch in the one surviving tip of the original, but I made string notches, I also made mine longer than the original.It is C14 dated to 5200-5400 BC and was in good shape, but if some of it had been eaten away after all the years in the mud is hard to say.
The first pic is from the back. The bow on the left is an ordinary longbow made from European Hornbeam.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg3_zpsjntgq6v5.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg3_zpsjntgq6v5.jpg.html)
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From belly.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg1_zpss4hx11gw.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg1_zpss4hx11gw.jpg.html)
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From side.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg7_zpsbezzkgs7.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg7_zpsbezzkgs7.jpg.html)
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Nocks.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg8_zpshdos9gos.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg8_zpshdos9gos.jpg.html)
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Detail from back.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg4_zpsrr17thuw.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg4_zpsrr17thuw.jpg.html)
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Hjarnø braced.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg10_zpsxfwqn2vf.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg10_zpsxfwqn2vf.jpg.html)
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58 pounds at 28"
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg12_zpsusmujfne.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg12_zpsusmujfne.jpg.html)
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Hornbeam braced, this one had a wavy back with concave and convex sections.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg9_zpseefmgtbx.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg9_zpseefmgtbx.jpg.html)
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Hornbeam full draw.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg11_zpsnrkdch2m.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg11_zpsnrkdch2m.jpg.html)
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The two on the left are what was found and how they figure it must have looked. It can be seen that the thin pointed outer section is thicker than it is wide, but difficult to see exactly how the transition is from the wider part of the limb. When using a digital caliper measuring from the few known measurements I would say that the handle and tips must have had some bending, at least a I tried to do that. I hope some more info will be available soon.
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image.jpg1_zpsgaecxpxj.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image.jpg1_zpsgaecxpxj.jpg.html)
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Very cool info. Nice job. :)
Pappy
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Good work, thanks for sharing :)
Del
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Nice work
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Great looking bows thanks for sharing. Did you heat treat the ash?
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Great work!
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Markus,
First of all very nicely done sir. I am very curious to know if these style bows have a style name, perhaps from the many Viking writings? I understand that they are named for the sites they are discovered in, but am curious as to how the actual ancestors referred to them?
Again, very well done the way you preserved the spirit of the type of weapon.
rich
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Nice recreation. Looks like you captured the shape and design of the old bow nicely. How does it shoot?
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Wow, congratulations, that's nice work and thanks for sharing this.
I'm very curious about more exact measurements (crowned back?) of the original elm bow. Elm and ash have very different properties, actually. Apple, rowan or wild cherry are supposed to be closer (more elastic) to elm than ash.
As for the european hornbeam, I have a few logs drying, but it's never easy to find even a straightish piece of that wood. This is actually the first european hornbeam bow picture I've seen, and I'm curious to know how it shoots. It's said to be very hard wood. any comments there?
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Markus, a most intriguing post......and a fine job of creating a bow in the style of the Horsens fjord bow. The levers not withstanding, it's interesting how the inner limb shape is similar to the Sudbury bow found in New England some 7000 years later. Must be something about that shape of limb that stands the test of time.
Thanks for posting and educating us about this discovery.
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SWEETTTTT
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Hello again. :) There was a couple of questions concerning this bow, so I'll try to answer.
The measurements of the original is as follows, lenght tip to tip 166 cm(if missing part had same lenght as the remaining) handle 12cm lenght,narrow outer lever 26cm lenght. Limb width at widest point 5,5 cm. Cross section of wide limbs is flat oval. That is all measurements we have from the museum people at the time being, hopefully we will get more info soon. I do not know exactly were on the bow the measurements were taken.
Without shooting through a chrono I cannot say how the bows shoot compared to others, but the new Danish owners, who are experienced archers are thrilled with both of them.
The European Hornbeam who is a hard heavy wood was surprisingly easy to work.
We do not know if the ancients had names for the different bow types. The sagas mention names on some swords, axes and spears, but no names of bows. Today we usually name the various bow types after where they was found, like Holmegaard, Haithabu, Nydam and others.
I did not heat treat the belly.
Should I get some more info I will be in touch.
Markus.
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Cool bow Markus. I made this style out of Osage before I knew it was an actual archeological find. I like the shape a little more than a typical Mollegabet.
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Those both look really nice. Tillers look pretty spot on.
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nicely done sir ;)
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Thanks for the explanantion of the find. This is the style I think I want to attempt with the stave of black locust I just got. It's too short and I want to pretty much splice the levers onto the stave, just not sure how to splice quite yet.