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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: SKansasC on April 11, 2015, 10:30:11 am

Title: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: SKansasC on April 11, 2015, 10:30:11 am
I am wanting to rough this stave out a little, and am wondering what you would do with it, or if it is even worth messing with? Overall length is around 68", the knot on the top is 21" down from the top, and the bottom knot is 28" up from the bottom, and the two knots are about 19" apart.

I have some ideas, but then again, I really don't know what I'm doing.

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Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: Lefty8917 on April 11, 2015, 11:00:56 am
Looks like a beautiful piece of wood to me. Depending on if you shoot left or right handed would determine which would be your top or bottom limb. If your right handed I would put that top knot on the bottom limb. It looks like you could get a nice center shot bow without any heating. I wouldnt worry about the knots. From the pictures they seem to be ok. Just leave them stand proud and dont cut them down when chasing the ring. Looking at the last picture, I can see 1 or 2 groth rings on the left. I dont know where your at on chasing the ring but just figured id point it out. Good Luck!
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: Pat B on April 11, 2015, 12:21:11 pm
I'd build a bow from that nice stave.  ;D
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: sleek on April 11, 2015, 12:52:05 pm
Looks like a beautiful piece of wood to me. Depending on if you shoot left or right handed would determine which would be your top or bottom limb. If your right handed I would put that top knot on the bottom limb. It looks like you could get a nice center shot bow without any heating. I wouldnt worry about the knots. From the pictures they seem to be ok. Just leave them stand proud and dont cut them down when chasing the ring. Looking at the last picture, I can see 1 or 2 groth rings on the left. I dont know where your at on chasing the ring but just figured id point it out. Good Luck!

Re the growth rings. I dont always chase a ring full stave if im just hacking that bit off anyway.  Looks like those rings are out the way.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: SKansasC on April 11, 2015, 01:16:14 pm
Would it be best to cut it down so that both knots are equal distance from the center?

My biggest concern is how to deal with a knot mid limb. Should the limbs be wider around the knot?
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: sleek on April 11, 2015, 01:21:50 pm
Yes they should be wider. Look at the grain closely.  You will see how the tree grew around it. Follow that path around the knot. You will be able to see the grain as you draw your outline. Find one line of grain as you lay out the bow and follow it around the knot then begine your taper to the tips. Post pics of your layout around the knot before you cut. We can tell you if you got it right. You may be surprised about how much you dont have to make it wider, only a little bit.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: osage outlaw on April 11, 2015, 01:23:44 pm
Pay attention to the grain lines around the knot.  They should flow around it and then come back in.  Kind of like water in a stream flowing around a rock.  When laying out the bow limbs just follow the grain lines around them.  Maybe this picture will help

(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/Bows%202014/SDC16784.jpg)
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: Pat B on April 11, 2015, 01:24:06 pm
If you center the knots in the limb or at least the best you can they shouldn't be a problem. Get the stave down to floor tiller stage then reevaluate.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: sleek on April 11, 2015, 01:26:27 pm
Pay attention to the grain lines around the knot.  They should flow around it and then come back in.  Kind of like water in a stream flowing around a rock.  When laying out the bow limbs just follow the grain lines around them.  Maybe this picture will help

(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/Bows%202014/SDC16784.jpg)

You stated it better than I. Nice looking hole btw.

Your stave if you look is already flowing around the knot. Just copy that as you reduce it. Your blade will follow the grain anyway if you chop it out.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: SKansasC on April 11, 2015, 01:50:45 pm
Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: simson on April 11, 2015, 02:10:39 pm
Don't be shy, make the limbs a bit wider at knots. If you look close you can see the grain suggest how wide!
As mentioned chase a ring carefully - it's the best injurance.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: George Tsoukalas on April 11, 2015, 02:51:50 pm
Good advice above. When you tiller leave the knotted areas just sightly flatter than the rest of the limb, Jawge
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: sleek on April 11, 2015, 03:02:09 pm
Say, where in south Kansas are you? Im in Wichita today....
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: alwayslookin on April 11, 2015, 04:07:09 pm
Looks like a real nice character bow. I would lay the bow out so the knots are in the middle. Look forward to seeing it a bow.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: SKansasC on April 11, 2015, 08:45:18 pm
Looks like a real nice character bow. I would lay the bow out so the knots are in the middle. Look forward to seeing it a bow.

Don't get your hopes up!  :laugh:
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: alwayslookin on April 11, 2015, 11:04:39 pm
Looks like a real nice character bow. I would lay the bow out so the knots are in the middle. Look forward to seeing it a bow.

Don't get your hopes up!  :laugh:
you got it man just take it slow she will be a beauty
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: crooketarrow on April 12, 2015, 05:49:49 pm
 I don't pay knots much thought in osage. I'd just make a bow.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: SKansasC on April 12, 2015, 06:34:18 pm
What is the best tool to get the indented areas around the knots down to a ring? I used a small chisel, but I feel like there is probably an easier way.
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: sleek on April 12, 2015, 07:21:54 pm
Sharpened spoon
Title: Re: How Would You Deal With This Stave?
Post by: SKansasC on April 12, 2015, 07:59:06 pm
Never would have thought of that! Thanks!