Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: jayman448 on April 01, 2015, 12:32:07 pm
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Im finding that with my glass rcurves, canting my bow makes my shooting very inconsistant and i shoot a foot right at thirty yards. Any ideas why?
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Your glass bow will shoot differently than a selfbow but I've never noticed that much variance in my glass bows compared to my selfbows.
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Canting a bow changes the arrows spine. Generally speaking the more you cant a bow the stiffer the arrow can be and still leave clean. Try it, you'll see.
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i just do not understand how i can be so inconsistent just by canting my bow
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Are you sure its not improperly spined arrows for that bow.
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Chris- can you explain how canting the bow changes spine? I have never heard that before.
Jayman, perhaps when you cant the bow, the wide shelf somehow contacts the arrow as it passes, throwing it off? You could put some crayon or lipstick on the shelf or arrow and look for evidence that it's hitting. Also, notice your string havd and confirm that you are not twisting the string due to the cant. For me, canting doesn't have a noticeable effect. Does your bow have an elevated rest, or are you shooting off the shelf?
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You might be torqueing the string when you release. The back of your string hand needs to be at the same angle as the bow string.
PD, I'm also curious about how canting can change arrow spine. A stiff arrows will hit left and if you cant the bow enough it will move point of impact to the right but hit high
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Canting will make for a right handed shooter hit right unless the arrow rest/arrow is sitting right on top of the hand then it should make little difference. If the arrow sits high like most glass bow it will hit to the right. Not sure how it can change the spine of the arrow by canting ??? ??? unless it shortens or lengthens you draw length but if Chris says it does maybe it does :-\ all I know is it will move the arrow right unless the arrow is setting right on the hand. :)
Pappy
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It may change the effective spine if not the actual spine.
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Sure don't want to argue ,but just can't figure how, ??? if that were the case you would have to hold a bow at the same cant each time or change arrows, I know it is important to hold the same cant if shooting sights or it the arrow in on an elevated rest or shelf but if you shoot off the hand or arrow shelf is right on the hand it has never made any difference with my arrow flight or where it hits. Not the greatest shot in the world and sure don't know it all ,just would like for someone to explain how cant matters in arrow spline/I know how it will effect where it hits especially on a non center shot bow . :)
Pappy
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I cant explain it, only show you it does happen. Art explained it a few years back. I believe it has something to do with how the arrow contacts the bow. Pat you are correct, effective spine, not actual spine. It changes how the bow uses a given spine.
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OK Pappy
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it very well could be torque. ive been fighting with that a lot. i used to torque so bad that i would get blisters and calluses and string burn right through a thick leather shooting glove. but ive almost got that under control. i just shoot off the shelf. here is a question for you now. (diverting here) can torquing the string have an effect on your plastic knocks? i just notice im breaking a lot lately. i break them only on misses an d wonder if its a freak impact thing or if i miss because of a torque bad enough to shatter a plastic knock
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Not sure about the nock breaking, but here's a thought on form. Imagine yourself standing upright with an almost vertical bow.
Canting the bow can be achieved in two ways, by rotating the bow wrist, or by simply bending at the waist. If you rotate the wrist, you must also rotate the string hand to avoid torqueing the string. However, if you bend at the waist (and knees) to achieve cant, you might have an easier time avoiding torque.
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Probably the biggest reason is most glass recurves and darn near Center Shot. When you cant your bow to the right, it makes your arrow go more to the right. Canting your bow right or left will make it go in the direction more then straight up and down.
You will see the difference shooting a thumb ring and arrow off of the hand. Shooting right handed I have to cant a little to the left to keep the arrow from missing the target a foot to the right within 15 yards.
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You might be torqueing the string when you release. The back of your string hand needs to be at the same angle as the bow string.
This was my first thought as well,and usually what im doing,when it happens to me.
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When you cant your bow to a spot where your looking (PICKING A SPOT). You do this unconciosely. If you cant your bow to far,towhere you go past the spot where bows not lineing up where your looking. Canting to far is one of the reasons some people can never get any consestintly with there shooting.
A lot of times with selfbows 20 yards is tops for most.
You want to get rid of any string torqueing. As long as you have good form. When you release ,release with the third finger down first. Do this the other 2 can stop put to follow suit. You get the same crisp release every time HOWARD HILL released this way.
ARRONS correct to a point. BUT IF YOU HAVE GOOD FORM. That kills arrons point.
If you want to shoot 30 yards forget about hunting with selfbows.
You ever notest the father you get away for selfbows the more the people relie on thier equipment. And not there hunting skills.