Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: osage outlaw on October 29, 2014, 10:04:50 pm
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My father in law gave me his old golf cart since he couldn't get it running. He let it sit outside for at least a year without starting it. I would like to get it running and fix it up a little. I don't have a quad so this thing will be the Outlaw Assault Vehicle >:D
It is going to need some work.The seat needs replaced. That shouldn't be to hard. The one that is on it is home made any way. I want to get rid of the blue/red color scheme. I used to paint caskets on an assembly line so I should be able to handle painting a golf cart. I would like to ad a back seat or maybe put some sort of a bed on it. The wiring is a mess on this thing. There are a lot of wires twisted together with just a little tape covering it. I would like to go through and replace any wires that need it. The head lights have never worked. The wires aren't connected to anything.
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I have very limited mechanic skills. I am really hoping someone on PA can offer some advice along the way while I get this buggy back on the road. I took the back fender, back rests, and back floor tub off so it would be easier to get to the engine. When you try to start it, it turns over but doesn't fire. I pulled the spark plug and its getting a spark. I noticed the fuel filter didn't have any gas in it. The fuel line has been recently replaced but there is a second fuel line that is old and crumbling. It goes from the engine block to a little gizmo that the fuel line runs through. My Dad was looking at it with me and he thinks that it uses the compression from the engine to pump the fuel to the carburetor. He thinks that the cracked hose isn't getting the compression to the pump thing and isn't feeding it any gas. Am I on the right track? Any help would be appreciated.
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Here is the gizmo that the fuel line runs to.
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The little diagonal piece with the two bolts and the hose is where the bad fuel line connects to the engine.
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Blue is the sapwood with the red heartwood showing thru in places?
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You're on the right track Clint. That is indeed the fuel pump. It operates on vacuum pulse from the crankcase. So you definitely have to replace the rotten line. Also it's a two stroke engine, so you need to see if its oil injected or if you have to premix the fuel. If it's injected, make sure those lines are good as well and that the injection pump is working properly. Two strokes don't work long with out two-cycle oil as you well know. Once that's all good and you think she's ready to fire up. Take the spark plug out, give it a one second squirt of carb cleaner through the plug hole, replace the plug and wire and crank her up. You might have to do it a couple times before the fuel system picks up. Also take the bowl off the carburetor and make sure it's not full of varnish. Josh
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You are correct JW.
Josh, thanks for the help. It used to be oil injected but has been running on premix fuel since my father in law bought it. I'm trying to not get to involved in anything gas related until after I kill a buck. That gas smell is hard to wash off and I don't want to mess up my hunting. Although it would be cool to be able to send my father in law a text of his old golf cart pulling a deer out of the woods.
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Deer hauler, eh? That's just cool. Rack and Roll!
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Clint, that is a diaphragm fuel pump, same as most older 2 stroke out boards it will have a thin sheeting inside it. If that rubber diaphragm can have a tiny pin hole in it that causes it to lose prime. Is it a Melex cart ?
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I think its an early 90's ezgo
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Un screw those 4 phillips there should be a spring and button that pushes against the rubber. I rebuilt one this summer on an Evinrude 35hp 30min and $30. If you replace the fuel line you were talking about and it does not work this is more than likely your issue. Spray a little starting fluid/WD-40 in carb and see if it fires. You have fire so add the fuel.
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Something else , I'm fairly sure most 2 stroke carts reverse the engine stroke to reverse cart.
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I was given a Deere Gator the same way, Hadn't been started in 2 years. First thing I did was got rid of the old gas, cleaned the Carb, bought a new battery and hooked my jumper cables to it and my F-250. I kept turning it over and spraying ether to it till it finally started running on it's own. I know, Mechanics are gonna scream about the ether, I don't care, it worked. Then I sat it on Jack stands and let it run all day after changing the oil and greasing and oiling everything I could find. Used it for two years on a lease then sold it for $500.
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Ya Eddie,either will/and can blow the top of the piston off, a little goes a long way. Clint we have a couple like that around here,very cool little rides,only issue is they cost a lot to keep repaired,clean carb and anything fuel related is probable the trouble with that one,setting with the gas we get now days is a very bad thing. :)
Pappy
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Another note. As I am sure most people here know. Make sure you use a fuel stabilizer, as well as try to not buy fuel with ethanol. All of the small engines on equipment at my work last about 1/4 of the life if Ethanol is used. I personally bought a Craftsman lawnmower when I bought my house, it lasted 2 mow jobs with ethanol fuel. If you run into anything that anyone here can't lick let me know. The city I work for owns a Golf Course, and we have a really good small engine guy, but I have faith in the knowledge of the members of PA! Camo that puppy!
Joe
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Don't forget to also add step rails so those short legs of yours can get up into that monster truck. :laugh:
And ya might have to also put a wood block(osage preferred) to the gas pedal so your foot can reach the pedal :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Thin tires and spinner rims!!! 8) Pimp it up real good. ;D
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Don't forget to also add step rails so those short legs of yours can get up into that monster truck. :laugh:
And ya might have to also put a wood block(osage preferred) to the gas pedal so your foot can reach the pedal :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
"Hold on to your potatoes, Dr. Jones, we goin for a ride." ;D
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FOURRR! Point!
You can also go on line with the brand and model number, and get a wiring schematic, or info on how to wire it, and trouble shoot the engine. But it sounds like what has been said already, will help you quite a bit. Oh, yeah, after the low wall tires, sparkly rims, and spinners, you can add the hydraulics, to make it a low rider, jumping cart, and you can call it La Bambi! ;D ::) Camo of course is the only color for that, deer taxi. ;) The question is, which, real tree stye, Army digital, military desert, woodland, tree...... etc. So many choices. Well good luck with it, and I do think you can get it ready for next year, and show your benefactor, what he threw away. ;) Oooh, you could put an idler wheel on the frame on each side, and make cleats, and get some conveyor belt, and split it, bolt the cleats on it, and make it into a half track!! Just saying..... ::) :P
Wayne
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If anything I'll make a log skidder to go behind it. It won't have much pulling power. I didn't get to work on it today. Got busy with something else. Hope to spend some time on it tomorrow. I'll be able to mess with the gas stuff now ;)
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Why? did you get your big buck,thought you wouldn't fool with gas when you are hunting, :) :)
I did want to add, I have been a mechanic all my life and a bow hunter for almost 40 years,I have killed my share of deer and some pretty nice ones,I also specialized in Carburetor repair [GAS] before all these things went to fuel injection and such,worked with gas most everyday, I just washed good and never seen any ill effects from it as far as hunting,so that statement about gas just kind of threw me off. By the way if that one is anything like the ones we have here at work,and it looks about the same ,it has more power than you think,I had our at the club a couple of years at some of our shoots,I could ride 4 or 5 adults easy[no problem] so i feel sure with a small bed of sorts it will haul a deer out or stands in,they are pretty quite to boot. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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Why? did you get your big buck,thought you wouldn't fool with gas when you are hunting, :) :)
I did want to add, I have been a mechanic all my life and a bow hunter for almost 40 years,I have killed my share of deer and some pretty nice ones,I also specialized in Carburetor repair [GAS] before all these things went to fuel injection and such,worked with gas most everyday, I just washed good and never seen any ill effects from it as far as hunting,so that statement about gas just kind of threw me off. By the way if that one is anything like the ones we have here at work,and it looks about the same ,it has more power than you think,I had our at the club a couple of years at some of our shoots,I could ride 4 or 5 adults easy[no problem] so i feel sure with a small bed of sorts it will haul a deer out or stands in,they are pretty quite to boot. ;) :) :)
Pappy
You are right Pappy. Got one yesterday but not with primitive gear :-[ I don't have any experience hunting with gas smell on me. I just try to avoid any foreign smells during the season. The wife isn't allowed to put on any perfume when I'm getting ready to go out. I don't even like to use polyurethane to seal staves during hunting season. Probably doesn't make a difference but that is just the way that I have always been.
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Don't forget to also add step rails so those short legs of yours can get up into that monster truck. :laugh:
And ya might have to also put a wood block(osage preferred) to the gas pedal so your foot can reach the pedal :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Haaa haa ha! Sorry Clint, but that was funny. :laugh:
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That was a good one Greg. Maybe if Blackhawk ever comes for a visit I'll take him for a ride under some low hanging branches. Might knock some of the shine off of the top of his melon.
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Pictures please. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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Thanks pappy ;)
I finally got some time to work on the golf cart again. I removed the old fuel line that ran the pump and it was shot. I could see holes through it. I bought new hose and put it on. I took the carburetor off and it looks very clean. My father in law said that he thought he had cleaned it. When I took it off the bottom bowl was just finger tight. I turned it easily and was able to take it off without using a wrench on the nut. There wasn't a drop of gas in the fuel line or carburetor when I took it all apart. That makes me think I am on the right track with replacing the line to the pump. I don't know anything about carburetors. I don't know exactly what to check for on it. I hooked a hose up to it and blew on it to make sure nothing was plugged up. The float thing seems to be working correctly.
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Now here is something else I found. The old oil tank was still in place. I took it out and noticed the hose wasn't attached to it. It was hanging down by the frame but still connected to what I'm guessing is the engine pump on the other end. That has a hose that runs to the intake manifold. Could it be pumping dirty air into the intake? Would that be enough to mess up the fuel/air ratio? When it used to run he would have to choke it just a little bit to make it run better. The oil pump area was covered in dirt and grease. I cleaned a lot of it off so I cold see what was going on.
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Well Clint...I think your downplaying your mechanical knowledge a bit, but I'll play along. Yep, you need to remove that line from the intake and cap it off. It will definitely lean out the mix. If you don't have any vacuum caps, you can cut a short piece of the hose and put a screw in one end of the hose to plug it off. Then put it back on the nipple on the intake. Josh
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Thanks Josh. I have a basic understanding of engines. I pick up on things I read or hear. That was the first time I have messed with a carburetor. I'm just hoping I can remember how to put everything back together right.
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You gonna have your "Buck Truck" running around the woods pretty quick!
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I hope so. I'm taking the daughter out Sunday with my crossgun. She wants to try to get one. My son wants to wait for gun season.
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Clint, the high speed jet is in that tower coming up inside the float. It screws in and is fixed meaning there is no adjustment, it is metered by the size of the whole in it. If the hole in the jet is plugged by varnish the engine will idle but not run under a load(once you start to move). Soaking that jet in carb cleaner will clean it and dissolve any varnish and blow it out with compressed air. The ventouri(throat of carb) looks clean and the butterflies look good. These carbs are very simple.
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Thanks Pat. I blew some air through that part last night. I don't think its blocked but I'll check again before I put it back together. I'm enjoying working on this thing. And I'm learning some new things as I go along.
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Can't wait to see this deer taxi up and running.
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I put the carburetor and everything else important back on the golf cart tonight. I pulled the old fuel filter off and put the fuel line into a can so I could see if its pumping. I cranked it over and nothing. I pulled the fuel pump off and took it apart. Finally something I'm familiar with, an air powered pump. We use basically the same thing at work to pump sludge but a lot bigger. I saw a stick under one of the check flaps. I picked it out and tried it again. Still nothing. I pulled the pump off again and cleaned it all out. I checked all of the gaskets and didn't see any cracks or holes. I cleaned everything out on it and put it back together. I cranked it over a bunch and I can feel slight pressure coming out of the fuel line but no gas. I checked the suction line in the tank and its good. I'm not sure why its not pumping any fuel. Tomorrow I'm going to jump it off the truck battery and see if that gives it a little more cranking juice. Maybe once I prime it real good it will take off and start to pump.
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Is there a filter at the end of the hose in the tank, or an in line filter, that may be clogged?
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There is an inline filter after the pump. I took the hose off the filter and I'm not getting anything out of the hose. I ordered a new filter. It should be delivered monday.
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And the hose was clear of obstructions? No cracks? Hmmm.... Well if it is clear of obstructions, try lifting the hose up and pour in some gas, and have someone spin the motor over a few times, to see if it pumps. maybe it needs to be primed, like you said. For that rust in the carb body, you can steel wool it, then blow that off, and or put a little oil in it, and a half a hand full of bb's or number 4 bird shot, and place the piece on a vibrator, and it will be clean of rust in short order. A Friend of mine owns a marina, and their mechanic uses that technique to clean metal gas tanks, that are rusted inside.
Wayne
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She's alive!!!
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The pick-up end of the fuel line might have a screen on it and there might be a check valve to keep fuel at the pump.
The video didn't work for me.
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There is no screen or check valve Pat. Since its finally above freezing today, I got back to work on it. I hooked up a temporary fuel tank and gravity fed it to the carb. It started and ran fairly smooth. I forgot the fuel line from the pump wasn't connected to anything. Once the engine started the fuel pump kicked in and started pumping the old fuel all over the floor. I didn't notice for a while and had a big mess. At least I know everything works on it now. I ordered a new tube for the bad tire. I'll probably run put some stabilizer in it and run it until its empty. I'm hoping to store it in my Dads garage for the winter. I'll probably start the restore work next spring.
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See if this works for you Pat
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/golf%20cart.mp4 (http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/golf%20cart.mp4)
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Neat. Looks to be patterned after snow machines with a centrifugal clutch and rubber drive belt. As a mechanic I spent many years fixing them along with motorcycles, also used to set them up for racing. Don't enjoy working on them anymore.
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Should be cheap transportation to pappy's place and back in the spring. Not sure where big Bill is going to ride, but that's his problem...:)
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I don't think she'd haul many staves Pearly. Probably get better mileage than my truck though.
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I got the tube put in the leaky tire and decided to take it for a test drive. It started and ran good but it seemed to be starving for fuel every 30 seconds or so. I think my temporary fuel tank wasn't breathing enough. I loosened the cap and it smoothed out. Next on the repair list is the sticking gas pedal. I missed hitting the wife's new car by 3" :o That would have been very bad.
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Clint , just build an off road bumper for the golfcart , that way if you hit your wifes car it won't tear up the cart!! Duh :laugh:
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Clint , just build an off road bumper for the golfcart , that way if you hit your wifes car it won't tear up the cart!! Duh :laugh:
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;) ;D ;D ;D Not that's funny. Glad to se it's coming together Clint. :)
Pappy