Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: DC on October 26, 2014, 02:42:49 pm
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Should the bow be solidly held in the saddle of the tree or free to rock? Pros and cons please. I'm thinking of making a solid one, but adjustable, so I can position the bow in the same place every time. I figure that if the handle is always in the same position and one limb starts to take some set or bend to much it would let me know which limb has the problem.
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I use a piece of saddle leather to secure my handle in the saddle.
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Some folks use a radiused bow rest on their tiller tree but mine is a straight end cut 2x4. No matter what you use a tiller tree rest is static whereas your hand is flexible. You will get a more realistic reading from a hand held bow than from the tree and I guess the radiused rest would be closer to the hand than a square cut rest.
Sometimes I have to clamp the bow to the tree when long stringing it but once braced the bow will balance by itself on the tree. If it doesn't your tiller is probably way off.
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Like pat mine is just the butt end of a 2x4. I have a little rounded piece of hardwood I use for bendy handle bows, and sometimes clamp it in place. After its brace, no clamp is usually needed
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yeah mine is just a butt end of a 2x4, for staves that like to roll or with reflex I put the string on the tree and pull down on the handle section of the bow till brace, but I get mine almost to brace at floor tiller
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I use a square end post down at twin oaks often. But at my own shop I have something a little different. Either way works just as well. I think my strap setup is a bit easier when dealing with already shaped/highly contoured grips.
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Nice setup Will
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Sweet set-up Will.
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Sweet set-up Will.
+1
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I used to clamp the stave in but now I let it rock but it does rest on a straight piece. Jawge
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/index.html
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Great idea Will, do you have problems with your staves wanting to roll?
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Mine is curved with some sheet rubber glued on it.
IMO you want to mimic how the bows is supported in the hand and free to rock, not clamped solid.
Other people like it clamped. You pays your money you takes your choice.
I can see how camping lets you see how each limb is working more in isolation but to me it's not realistic, because nothing is isolated with a bow.
Del
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Mine is almost same as WillH's setup
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Del, my hands are not made of rubber. LOL. :) Jawge
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Falcon- not really. I only use my tree once the stave is braced. At which point it's almost impossible to do so. I can see how if you are using this type setup for long string tillering it could be an issue. I personally floor tiller by hand and brace it up. Bypassing long string. I also think that a static "tiller stick" is good for long string tillering, and we teach that method a lot down at Twin Oaks.
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Thanks Will, what kind of scale is that you are using, it looks nice
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I use a square end post down at twin oaks often. But at my own shop I have something a little different. Either way works just as well. I think my strap setup is a bit easier when dealing with already shaped/highly contoured grips.
Will, your tillering tree is a great idea, the free floating pivot point would solve a lot of issues that are created by putting all the pressure of pulling a bow on a fixed point. IMO, the strap would simulate the hand better. thanks for sharing :)
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Mine is round. I don't really grab the bow when shooting, either
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Will,
I can understand your concept and plan on modifying my tree to something like yours. did you buy or make your strap?
DBar
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I'm thinking a seatbelt would work. You could use the buckle to hold the bow. Cheap like borscht at a wrecker.
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Having just moved my shop from the garage to the attic I also need to build a new one, and I am copying your idea Will. Thanks
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This has been an issue for me, too. Bows have all different handle shapes. and I want to start with tips EXACTLY level, but I want to see if the bow wants to tilt one way or the other.
might go with the strap, but for now, I use a saddle made of 2x4 with slats that run up the sides a bit, and shim it with dowels and leather chunks if I need to.
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This is what I came up with. The handle thingy is an eccentric mounted on a 1/2" maple axle. I can adjust it so the tips are level and will stay that way unless the tiller goes astray. I'm going to try this for a few bows and then try the strap.
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Dbar- I made mine. I used a piece of square tubing for the mount and the strap from an old ratchet strap. It suited my needs and I had the stuff laying around. Anything would do the same trick I reckon. I do feel the strap represents the bow hand well and if you'll notice I have a small piece of leather that goes on the string as well. It's designed to represent three fingers on the string. Once a bow is braced and goes in my tree I put a temporary nock point on (tape usually). That let's me orient my tiller fingers. It's a small difference, but a difference all the same. Nothing beats seeing a bow drawn in the hand but this is a close second IMHO
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DC, that thing makes you look excited. ;D
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Got your mind in the gutter Pat. ::)
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DC, that thing makes you look excited. ;D
It's been awhile since I was that excited :-\ :-\
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Building my tillering tree tonight. Perfect time to see this thread.
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Building my tillering tree tonight. Perfect time to see this thread.
Hope your using protection....... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
DBar
Pat B.....your a bad influence on me. :) ;)
DBar
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Thanks Will
I guess you sewed the strap together to make it that short. Thanks again I'm modifying my set up that way and I have all ready started using your "tillering tab". very neat really helps if you cant take pictures. I think it your right, it is a very close second.
DBar
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Building my tillering tree tonight. Perfect time to see this thread.
Hope your using protection....... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
DBar
Pat B.....your a bad influence on me. :) ;)
DBar
:laugh:
I'll make sure I do. haha
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Thanks Will
I guess you sewed the strap together to make it that short. Thanks again I'm modifying my set up that way and I have all ready started using your "tillering tab". very neat really helps if you cant take pictures. I think it your right, it is a very close second.
DBar
The ratchet side of the strap on the larger ones has a bolt running through the ratchet and strap. No sewing required. I'll get mine up tonight and post some photos as well.
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What JoJo said Dbar. I just drilled some holes in the square tube for the bolt and made a notch for the hook to seat. I ain't much on sewing :o
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Thanks guys......I'll do some looking around
DBar
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Floor tiller, tiller by brace and feel and have fun!