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Title: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: 21st century archer on September 22, 2014, 11:34:42 pm
Has anybody had luck making self bows using white ash boards or wheelbarrow handles? Also does anybody know if wheelbarrow handles are air dried or kiln dried?
Title: Re: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: lebhuntfish on September 23, 2014, 12:52:23 am
I've personally never made one out of a wheelbarrow handle. But ash is supposed to be a decent bow wood. I know of some people that have made a bow out of sledge hammer handles both in hickory and ash. They made take down bows. As long as the grains are strait it should work. As far as how they were dried, I would venture a guess it's kiln dried. Give it a shot,  what could it hurt! Patrick
Title: Re: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: Knoll on September 23, 2014, 12:55:48 am
Store-bought wheelbarrow handles are manufactured from kiln dried lumber.
Title: Re: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: autologus on September 23, 2014, 04:59:32 pm
here is one I made, it is bending a little too much in the handle but it shoots very smoothly.

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,37653.0.html (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,37653.0.html)

Grady
Title: Re: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: Jim Davis on September 23, 2014, 10:45:36 pm
Really, kiln dried is not an issue.  We  get wood hotter than a kiln when we use dry heat  to  bend wood or toast it--with absolutely no ill effects.

The kiln vs air debate started a century ago, but was always more of an emotional argument than science. The wooden airplane builders argued over the same issue.
Title: Re: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: koan on September 23, 2014, 11:05:54 pm
The fastest shootin bow ive made to date was a biased ringed ash board. I used the good ol Ferret board bow layout with a couple exception.. I narrowed the tips to about 3/8" and left them stiff for 10". Ash is abit soft so i would recomend tip overlays... Brian
Title: Re: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: ajbruggink on September 23, 2014, 11:25:43 pm
I agree that kiln dried is not an issue. In the Design and Performance chapter in TBB vol I, author Tim Baker says if you don't have a lumberyard in town, you can use pickaxe handles and like and splice them together to make a bow. I've thought about doing it myself.
Title: Re: ash boards and wheelbarrow handles
Post by: 21st century archer on September 24, 2014, 12:47:11 am
Thanks for the replies guys. I just bought a wheelbarrow handle and started chasing a ring. Based off personal experience I think that kiln dried woods are quite a bit different especially in ring porous lumber because the pores in the early wood seem to expand when dried in the kiln making it less forgiving of grain runoffs that I have gotten away with on air dried wood. That is why I usually prefer diffuse porous woods or woods with small early wood pores when using kiln dried wood. One of my favorite woods I have tried is kiln dried hard maple because it doesn't have visible pores and still feels hard and strong. When I first started making board bows I salvaged maple scraps from a local woodworking shop and made bows with some that had horrible runoffs but some are still shooting to this day.  Autologus that is a really nice bow. Glad to hear it can be done.