Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: Jim Davis on August 25, 2014, 08:44:49 pm
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And, is it good for anything? leaves look extravagant in their arcs, lobes and points. This particular plant is around 8 feet tall. It is on a field edge next to a creek, but not an especially wet or damp spot.
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Mulberry...
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What type of plant is it? woody? Herbaceous? multi stemmed? single trunk? tree? shrub? How about a pic of the plant.
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It seemed to be woody, but was a group of small shoots up to a half inch in diameter, mostly. Really, there can't be any other leaf that looks like this, can there?
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No, but that could be one variation of a certain plant leaf. It does resemble a paper mulberry somewhat but it would have a single stem or trunk unless it was on suckers from a stump.
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We gonna need a picture of the plant. It does look very paper mulberryish to me. That would be weird for them to be in Kentucky though...
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Are there any spiny looking green seed pods, with grayish speckled elongated seeds? It looks like a castor bean plant. It is highly toxic if it is! The seeds contain RICIN!!!!! I don't know what they do to make the castor oil from it, without including the ricin with it. But if it is a greyish green looking plant, it could be that. It is an invasive plant. The seeds, may be brownish, I haven't seen any in a while. Every now and then I will see some on the side of the road.
Wayne
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Caster bean plants have a lot of red in the stems and leaves. Used to see them around old house places a lot. I asked and old guy why they grew them, he said country folk would eat a bean for the laxative effect when they needed it.
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...and also to keep moles and voles out of the garden. I don't think it is Caster bean though.
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Here are some photos of the tree--I'm saying tree now because a closer look at the ground revealed that these are stump sprouts. I cut the original tree 2 or 3 years ago in the winter when there were no leaves to make me notice them.
There is a caterpillar tent in the photo to, unless those are silk worms :-)
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Still hard to tell but looks like some potential arrow shafts in the bunch.
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I'm settling on a weird red mulberry.
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Are there any similar trees in the area you can compare it to? ...and take pics of?
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Have not seen other similar trees--yet.
Jim
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That's not a Mulberry or Castor plant.
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This is why I say red mulberry. I've never seen any with lobes that deep but the leaf is almost exactly like the one below which is a red mulberry.
Here's my source: http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/Edible_Plants_Ramer_Silver_Weizmann/Pages/spp_page_Mulberry.html
Compare the red mulberry (top) to the mystery leaf (bottom)
(http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/Edible_Plants_Ramer_Silver_Weizmann/Images_Edited/Mulberry_leaves_edited_300.jpg)
(http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48107.0;attach=104104;image)
I've made my case. Make of it what you wish.
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I am with Tim on this one.
It looks like a Mulberry to me.
Cut into one of the stems and see if Sticky White sap comes out.
Also.... I think Mulberry has a fiberes inner bark that will peal off in strips.
Try and peal off a strip of bark as well.
David
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I think you got it, Timmy ;D ;) I take back what I said about Mulberry I'm more accustomed to seeing White Mulberry.
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It does have white sticky sap.
Not big enough to have bark to peel. I plan to encourage this one so maybe it will produce some berries.
Thanks for all the help.
Jim
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I think you got it, Timmy ;D ;) I take back what I said about Mulberry I'm more accustomed to seeing White Mulberry.
I never seen any mulberry like that down here except paper mulberry. The young seem to have more lobes as I've never seen any big mulberries with such deep lobes.
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Sprout growth sometimes has exaggerated leaves, in size and shape. I guess the sprouts have bigger leaves to support the massive root system below.
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I walked around my exercise trail through the TVA reservation Wednesday and there they were, same sprouts and leaves, fast growing as they had been mowed last year and were growing back from the stump, thousands of them. The leaves varied from plant to plant from the usual mulberry looking, heart shaped leaves, to exactly like Jim has in his pictures.
And I still don't know for sure what they are.
I drove by an abandoned, over grown building on my way to the trail, in front to the building the property was full of giant ragweed plants, definitely not the same plant as Jim has in his pictures but exactly the same plant as we used for spears in my youth.
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Guys I want to weigh in on this. I think common names gives all fits. The book source I used to look this up was The Trees of Missouri. The leaf pictured is spot on with a paper mulberry which is a native of Asia. The species name is Broussonetia papyrifere. The website above shows a leaf that I agree matches but not all are Morus rubra. This is what is listed in my book as red mulberry. Red mulberry has largely ovate leaves without any lobes. White mulberry (Morus alba) has some lobes but nothing as dramatic as what you have in your picture.
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That's Paper Mulberry for sure. Highly invasive.
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at least it has a use, paper mulberry bark makes great lashings
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Nope, definitely not a Castor Bean plant. Almost looks somewhat like a papaya, but different trunk. Ok, I will take the Paper Mulberry tree. Never seen one. I have a mulberry tree, in my back yard. I guess it is a white Mulberry, don't know. It has the big heart shaped leaves, and dark deliciously sweet berries. Well it seems as the mystery has been solved. I knew someone on here would be able to solve it. Even if it was a neo Hippie throw back gene, that found it. ;D ;D But find it he did. Way to go Tim! ;)
Wayne