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Title: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: bow101 on July 31, 2014, 05:33:27 pm
Hodge-Podge Maple Bow - made from 2 broken bows. Maple 64"NTN around 42 @ 27".  This is an effort of 2 broken bows glued up.
The top limb is 2 lams glued up with reflexed tip, the bottom limb is an older pyramid style. I did not want to make the upper limb shorter. I wanted to try an asymmetrical design. The top limb is about 3 inches longer.

It shoots really well, where I point having no hand shock or twist. Bad job on the camo.
Quite honestly I like it despite its strange looking, it just feels good in the hand............. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Comments appreciated.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Pat B on July 31, 2014, 05:48:03 pm
How does it shoot?
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Bearded bowyer on July 31, 2014, 05:53:41 pm
are the bow tips in line when at full draw?
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: bow101 on July 31, 2014, 05:57:48 pm
How does it shoot?
It shoots really well, where I point having no hand shock or twist.  This is the first time I have attempted to do it, thought what the hay nothing to lose.   :)

are the bow tips in line when at full draw?
Yep they are reasonably so....
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Pat B on July 31, 2014, 06:00:05 pm
If it shoots well it is tillered well.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: dwardo on July 31, 2014, 06:05:19 pm
Its a US-yumi  :laugh:

If it shoots where you look it matters not what it looks like.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: bow101 on July 31, 2014, 06:06:17 pm
One thing I have noticed from experience, if it feels smooth when bracing it then the rest should follow.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: JW_Halverson on July 31, 2014, 09:04:43 pm
I hate to put it this way, but I am laughing my butt off at that flippin' ugly thing!  If you weren't telling me it shot well, I would keep my mouth shut and move on. 

But if it shoots that good and is that ugly, well that's a great reason to celebrate with a belly laugh and an armful of arrows!  Way to go!  Scrounging, scavenging, and re-purposing seem to be traits that our crowd appreciates, and this bow is the best of all that.  Way to go, brother!
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: jasonoflivingston on July 31, 2014, 09:14:09 pm
Well you don't see that every day.  If Doctor Seuss were to make a bow..... Anyway, it is always nice to see something unique!
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: rps3 on July 31, 2014, 10:10:38 pm
I would walk around holding that bow with my head held high.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 31, 2014, 10:39:35 pm
When you draw and shoot pay attentiuon to the handle pressure to sense if it is tipping. Jawge
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Post by: 4dog on July 31, 2014, 11:07:55 pm
"ITS ALIIIIIVE"  !!!  8)
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Lefty8917 on July 31, 2014, 11:09:18 pm
Very cool. If you can tiller that your on the right path
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: bow101 on July 31, 2014, 11:30:18 pm
I hate to put it this way, but I am laughing my butt off at that flippin' ugly thing!  If you weren't telling me it shot well, I would keep my mouth shut and move on. 

But if it shoots that good and is that ugly, well that's a great reason to celebrate with a belly laugh and an armful of arrows!  Way to go!  Scrounging, scavenging, and re-purposing seem to be traits that our crowd appreciates, and this bow is the best of all that.  Way to go, brother!

Thats why I inserted the laugh multiple times........... :laugh:      sometimes the ugly ones finish first.   ;)
Very cool. If you can tiller that your on the right path
The limbs were already pre-tillered    :o         She is silky smooth on draw and release.   

I would walk around holding that bow with my head held high.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  Like they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.......Maybe I can get the Ugliest Bow Ribbon.. ::)
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: bubby on August 01, 2014, 12:27:38 am
You should name it parliament, cause that brace is funkadelic
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 01, 2014, 12:38:18 am
The first time I looked at this I thought you were crazy, and then I realized its a Yumi, and It is beautiful.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: DuBois on August 01, 2014, 02:02:22 am
Hey man, that is awesome.

You better be careful though, next time the kids might get into your tools and not just the paint supplies  :P

Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Peacebow_Coos on August 01, 2014, 02:40:32 am
Dang!  I like your style man most folks would have just burned 'em!
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: sleek on August 01, 2014, 02:47:21 am
I would check tiller at brace based on tip deflection.  Measure the distance each limb tip moves from unbraced to braced. If both rips deflect the same ammount then you know both limbs are at least each taking half the draw weightload. If one deflects less than the other that limb is too strong and needs a few scrapes. Tiller each limb according to its shape its designed to have. But based on your report of performance, id leave it alone, other than checking tip deflection out of curiosity.  Nice job. I like it.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: mikekeswick on August 01, 2014, 02:57:50 am
I would check tiller at brace based on tip deflection.  Measure the distance each limb tip moves from unbraced to braced. If both rips deflect the same ammount then you know both limbs are at least each taking half the draw weightload. If one deflects less than the other that limb is too strong and needs a few scrapes. Tiller each limb according to its shape its designed to have. But based on your report of performance, id leave it alone, other than checking tip deflection out of curiosity.  Nice job. I like it.

That would hold if they were the same profile and thickness as it is they aren't so non of that matters....
As George says by aware of what it does in your hand.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: sleek on August 01, 2014, 03:05:33 am
Well I defere to the more experienced than I.

But only because im confused I ask for clarity on my part.
Mike, why does the profile, thickness,  and such matter? Shouldnt the tips still deflect the same distance per inch of draw length assuming one limb isnt stronger than the other? Isnt each limb working toward a certain draw length at a set draw length, and as a result each limb must travel a certain distance to achieve that? And if one limb must travel farther than the other its off tiller because its needing to be stressed further? Unless the limbs of course are a different length. That changes everything.  Hoping you can tell me where im wrong?
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: sleek on August 01, 2014, 04:00:58 am
Ok ignore me. I see where he said one limb was 3 inches longer. Im going back to my hole now...
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Del the cat on August 01, 2014, 04:37:01 am
Like has been said... don't over think it (it'll just do your head in) If it feels right it is right.
I love this sort of experimentation it's how we learn. Makes a great conversation piece too. :laugh:
If you really want criticism, I'd say get it on a tiller where it is supported at a single curved surface so it can rock, you will get a better idea of how it moves when you pull it back... (IMO of course)
Or better still get some video of it shooting... maybe with Sandra Bullock drawing it?  :laugh:
(love the paint job :) )
Del
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: PatM on August 01, 2014, 12:36:27 pm
If it's already drawing a shooting smoothly there is no need to check the balance etc.
 The limb length doesn't make that much difference as to tip travel distance.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: bow101 on August 01, 2014, 12:39:04 pm
Thanks for all the comments guys.   :)


 A few things inspired me to build it;  I had a couple broken bows sitting in the corner, Ryan built a cable backed bow sometime ago that was very obscure.  And the Yumi design gave me some inspiration.  Like I said the easy part was that the limbs were previously tillered. I had to tweak them a little which took no time and having said that they also took set before the glue up.   I got lucky on some points.  I did not shorten the top limb and cut in the arrow shelf in the right spot and first time lucky on placing the arrow string nock.     All Fluke    ;)
On my next project I hope to build a 2 piece from a broken Hawthorn...



Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Buckeye Guy on August 01, 2014, 12:47:26 pm
My mind went back to Ryoons bow right away when I saw this
Good job 
I like it !!
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Bearded bowyer on August 01, 2014, 02:12:00 pm
Really nice job, I have a couple of broken ash bows I will try the same thing with  ;D
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Post by: Josh Shuck on August 01, 2014, 03:50:05 pm
It's so Frankenstein it's beautiful.
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: autologus on August 01, 2014, 04:16:35 pm
I remember Ryan's bow that thing is a thing of beauty.

Grady
Title: Re: How do you tiller critique this thing.
Post by: Ron Wright on August 01, 2014, 07:28:45 pm
That's inspiring!
Now I know what to do with my collection of broken ones...