Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: papoints on May 11, 2014, 07:47:50 am
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Anybody use this stuff? It's everywhere around here. Do the scars from removing the thorns cause any kind of structural problems?
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Multiflora rose makes good arrows and there are no problems with the thorn scars. Pick second year growth(with small branches ) and don't remove the bark until they are dry.
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The thorns come off easily (when fresh cut, haven't tried when dry) if pushed sideways. They just pop off.
Jim Davis
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I aint used it myself but i remember some bein posted here a long time ago. I have a bunch growin here to but im not sure what diameter to use... Brian
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Brian, use the same diameter as any shoot shafts, 3/8" at the point end.
Mickie Lotz(the Ferret) made and use rose arrows. Check out his build along. He may have info about building rose arrows there.
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Just finished one with stone point, pitch glue and sinew wrapped, stripped turkey tied with sinew . They tend to come straighter than the dogwood or hazel around here. They are very strong when dried. The thorns just leave slightly raised areas ( not even a bump really) . I think it's my new favourite . About 5/16" on the nock end and spines in at 55-60 lb. impressive.
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This is good info, thanks! Do ya leave them longer like cane?
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Self nocks??
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What does multi flora look like? I have some wild roses around my place in Montana, but it is a tangled mess, and not a straight limb in the all of the plants I have come across.
Wayne
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They shrink a lot so cut them a bit big and keep the bark on them until dry. The clean up REAL easy! Easy to straighten and stay straight too. Tough as nails.
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Wayne, that sounds like Multiflora rose. ;D Lots of nasty thorns. It was planted by the Wildlife folks for food and cover.
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I like um. They are tough, but light. Yes, self nock. They are no different than any other shoot shaft. If you can get to the middle of the tangled mess they usually grow straighter right out of the center. This stuff is invasive a heck so most folks don't mind if you cut it off the road side or field edges. dp
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Easier to cut in the winter ,as there isn't any foliage to get tangled up .Still not easy , but better. Self nocks are fine. I also leave the bark on to dry. Wear leather gloves and pop the thorns off right away ,of course.
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In reality, I'd say all arrow shaft shoots are better cut in the winter, but sometimes it just doesn't work out that way. IMO, dp
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In reality, I'd say all arrow shaft shoots are better cut in the winter, but sometimes it just doesn't work out that way. IMO, dp
Very true . I agree completely............................... but Dogwood doesn't have the teeth that roses do ;) In the winter you can see whether it is worth wading in to get a shoot, and you're wearing long pants and shirts , coats etc. anyway . (around here at least) . That's all the incentive I need to wait until the snow flies again :D
On a side note , has anyone tried a bow out of it? I found a piece about 1-1/2" or more and have it drying in the shop. I'm going to see if I can get a little bow out of it. The wood actually looks like oak.
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Thanks Pat. I was looking at it, and got out of my truck, and walked over to a big clump of it, and thought.....
those guys are nuts! So the straight ones are in the middle? Figures. Do you have to trample the outside ones first to get to the middle ones, to cut them? ;D ::) Cutting those for arrows, sounds like you would end up looking like you were trying to pack a pound of wet noodles up a Bob Cat's @$$! :o For the time being, I think I will stick to Tonkin and other species. Thanks guys, I was wondering how you made an arrow out of that mess. I don't mind a little bit of straightening, but looking at those shoots, and limbs, I thought, man it would take me a day, to get one, somewhat in line. :P Yeah, I may try one later on down the road, but for now, I will stick to what I am comfortable with. ;)
Wayne
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Look along woods lines and creeks. The birds spread the seed and ones growing in partial shade have a looser growth habit.
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Get some long handled pruners and reach into the middle with them to cut the ones you want. Then grab them w/ the pruners real easy like and drag them out of the bramble by the big end. Leather gloves are good to have too. ;) Come on, give it a try. >:D ;D ;D dp
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Ya'll convinced me, guess I am going to get cut up :).
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Good To Hear!!! Cut five or so, hand straighten then lash up. its good to hand straighten a couple more times in the next few days, then let them sit for a while. maybe 6 to 16 weeks. I sand off the bark after heat straightening. have fun!! dp
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I don't bother straightening them right away or through the drying, anymore. I've found it didn't make any difference. I leave the bark on until it shrivels and puckers. The wood is then dry enough to start making arrows. I then scrape the bark off and correct using heat . let it sit for a while (hour or so)and then recorrect if neccessary. They then seem to be quite stable. Keep in mind that I cut in winter , so there is less moisture to begin with. This is from the bunch I cut about 2-3 months ago. Made it for an upcoming presentation. You can see the small bumps from the thorns are nothing to worry about.
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I don't bother straightening them right away or through the drying, anymore. I've found it didn't make any difference. I leave the bark on until it shrivels and puckers. The wood is then dry enough to start making arrows. I then scrape the bark off and correct using heat . let it sit for a while (hour or so)and then recorrect if neccessary. They then seem to be quite stable. Keep in mind that I cut in winter , so there is less moisture to begin with. This is from the bunch I cut about 2-3 months ago. Made it for an upcoming presentation. You can see the small bumps from the thorns are nothing to worry about.
+1. The bark comes off real easy after it puckers. Cut them long too. Rose will check. I don't seal the ends like some folks do. I just cut em long and trim off the damage after they're straight.
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also so far as I can see - they grow a lot straighter if they are in the shade - or in a tangled mess of other growth.
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Thanks guys, I will start looking at hem in a different view now. ;)
Wayne
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best place to find straight wild rose in my area of NY is in the thick woods. it grows tall and straight reaching for little bits of sun light the breaks through the tree canopy. I have cut some that was almost an inch and a quarter in diameter, mean stuff though, wear thick gloves, pants, and a carhart to get the good ones out of the middle
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DANG NeoMan! What you using them 1 1/4" rose for?
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Yes, made lots of arrows from it. Cut, straighten, bundle. In a week undue the bundle every few days and straighten. Eventually they will likely not need heat.
Here is a bit of a buildalong.
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Jawge/media/Wild%20Rose%20Arrow/rosearrow0001.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
Jawge
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best place to find straight wild rose in my area of NY is in the thick woods. it grows tall and straight reaching for little bits of sun light the breaks through the tree canopy. I have cut some that was almost an inch and a quarter in diameter, mean stuff though, wear thick gloves, pants, and a carhart to get the good ones out of the middle
Did you try making a bow out of it? I have a short stave around the same diameter . Be interested to see what it can do.
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Bowtartist, I cut it because I found it and couldnt believe how big it was, also I hate the stuff. Its everywhere and makes hunting for anything a real pain in the well, where ever it gets ya! figured I could get an arrow out of it... not sure if I did or not, I will have to check my piles of arrow hopefuls and see if I have any more big ones!