Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Mad Max on April 05, 2014, 02:41:53 pm
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Let this post stay here for a little while PLEASEEEEEEEEE
This osage has been dead for 15 years
The early and late rings look like they are mixed together
I can't figure out the rings, it looks like about every 10 years it had good rain
The rings by the pencil are about 3/8" wide and there is about 8 to 15 rings in between
Can this tree be 400 or 500 years old???
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b593/osagemark/stavetree/100_0387_zpsdcf71d93.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/osagemark/media/stavetree/100_0387_zpsdcf71d93.jpg.html)
This is the little section just to the right of the 6th step on the ladder
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There is 4 trees in the same hole and barb wire running threw it
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If it is 8 to 15 rings between you tell me how old
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(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b593/osagemark/stavetree/100_0385_zpsb9741602.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/osagemark/media/stavetree/100_0385_zpsb9741602.jpg.html)
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I think those narrow rings are what some people call moon rings. They happened within each of the annual growth rings.
Looks like the tree had good summer growth for a long time.
Jim Davis
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If that's true the growth rings are 1/4 to 1/2"
Tell me more about moon rings?
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Well, they have nothing to do with the moon, but they just show variations in the growth that can be caused by varying water supply, or temperature. The good thing is, you don't have to chase a "moon" ring!
Jim
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The lunar rings are part of the annual ring growth I think. A cycle within a cycle. ??? They are in all annual rings but are more obvious in thicker rings and in woods like osage, locust, mulberry, etc.. It is the annual rings that we as bowyers are more concerned with. Getting a good, blemish free annual ring for the back of your bow will aid in your success.
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So what did you get out of it ?was there a good log ? Might be able to get some billets there to , use all you can that old tree deserves to live on in some bows.
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So what did you get out of it ?was there a good log ? Might be able to get some billets there to , use all you can that old tree deserves to live on in some bows.
I am on my buddy,S I PAD
ALL I DID WAS CUT AND SEAL THAT ONE CUT SO FAR, I AM GOING TO GET SOME STAVES OUT OF IT
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I counted the growth rings the best as I could and it looks like your trees is between 65 and 70 years old.
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it's old
i am going to try to get some staves out of it and some billets
I did not know the rings could get that big on osage
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Well, they have nothing to do with the moon, but they just show variations in the growth that can be caused by varying water supply, or temperature. The good thing is, you don't have to chase a "moon" ring!
Jim
I wouldn't be so sure that the moon rings have nothing to do with the moon. Look at the periodicity of these rings, looks very evenly spaced and very reliably 7 - 9 rings within each annual growth rings, which is about the number of months in the growing season.
Nice osage find. Looks like good wood.
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Those are nice thick growth rings on that tree. Osage trees can sure have a lot of character. I hope you can get some good staves out of it.
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We put this question to Howard Griffiths, at the department of Plant Sciences, Cambridge University.
When I was first thrown this question about the role of moonlight in photosynthesis my initial response was not a chance! Because the light intensity that we get reflected off the moon is an order of 100-1000 times too little to support photosynthesis in most terrestrial pot plants and plants we have in our garden. However, I did a little bit of digging around and I looked at some latest analysis of photosynthesis rates in algae. Amazingly enough it does seem that some groups of very small phytoplankton might be able to photosynthesise using the light from the moon provided that it was in the tropics and provided that at wasn’t being attenuated by a water column which tends to absorb light exponentially. So the answer is still probably no because, obviously phytoplankton grow in a water column so they’re not really likely to be able to pick up the light intensity.
However, it also opens up a number of intriguing questions because plants do certainly try to avoid the light from the moon. I’m sure many of you are familiar with the folding of leaves that we see in the clover growing in your lawns and lots of plants in the garden fold up their leaves at night. Darwin was interested in this and thought that it was to do with the leaves trying to maintain their heat balance at night. What we think is happening now is that the leaves are trying to avoid moonlight so as to prevent their circadian rhythms being disrupted by those very light intensities because they certainly do respond to moonlight. In fact, it’s now known that lots of animals – animals as diverse as snakes and crocodiles and a whole array of plants and different systems including humans – are highly sensitive to moonlight and the way that it can interrupt our circadian control and our sensing of day length.
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Pearl
when you look at the back of a osage BOW you can see the grain ( 2 different colors)
That is what i am seeing between these growth rings ( the different colors)
These rings being that thick, is that a good thing??
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Thick rings like that are good. Some people like thinner rings. The ratio of early/late wood is more important. The ratio on your rings looks great to me.
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Thick thin, it's all good. I agree with Clint, early wood ratio is more important to me personally. If I could put in an order for a stave type it would be an order for tight rings with an almost invisible early wood ring and absolutely no early wood showing as lunar rings. Add a bit of a crown and finish it off with a dark reddish color. I'm still looking for that stave. In the mean time I'll adjust my design to the staves I have. Thick, thin, straight, crooked, dark, light. What you have will make some fine bows I think.
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Damn Pearly,droppin some knowledge. Thanks for the science
Max tick rings are not a bad thing.
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I just Googled it Matt. Copy and Paste can make ANYBODY look smart!
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Very true man. Still god info. There is a lot of stuff written about the moon and the water in our bodies and the effects, like the tides. Pretty interesting.
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When somebody starts talking like that
It remind's me of the movie REAL GENIUS with Val Kilmer
"It is possible to synthesize excited bromide in an argon matrix"
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The big log is still out there
This is the billet log they are 49" long
They where hard to split in half because the center is rotting , they split to the middle, and I am having a hard time turning them over to split from the other side. I got about 20 hours in it already .
I'am going to bring these to TN. Classic ??
This one looks Reflexed , and deflexed ?
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b593/osagemark/100_0401_zpsde71880e.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/osagemark/media/100_0401_zpsde71880e.jpg.html)
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b593/osagemark/100_0402_zpsec03eb6a.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/osagemark/media/100_0402_zpsec03eb6a.jpg.html)
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In the first photo... Counting from lower left to top right there are 14 annal rings showing.
Wheather there is such a thing a lunar rings or not I don't know.
The rings in the lower left have the best Early Wood/ Late Wood ratio.
But even poor quality Osage is still better that anything else.
Yew can count on that. ;)
Lots of Osage there. A bow can be found in there somewhere for sure.
David
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I'm surprised a botanist would interpret lunar rings as being due to the light of the moon and analysing things from that perspective.
I think the implication is that the moon causes an increase of water content and potential enhanced growth due to nutrient flow. Many believe that the moon pulls water up in a similar fashion to it causing the tides.
That means something more like there is a mini "Spring" season within each growing month not that the tree is actually photosynthesizing at night.
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I counted the rings today on the stump (picture with the ladder) 95/100 years old
What is strange is the stump is 24" Right to left, but the center of the tree is 4" from the right side
The tree grew all on the west side of the tree (Left)
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We put this question to Howard Griffiths, at the department of Plant Sciences, Cambridge University.
When I was first thrown this question about the role of moonlight in photosynthesis my initial response was not a chance! Because the light intensity that we get reflected off the moon is an order of 100-1000 times too little to support photosynthesis in most terrestrial pot plants and plants we have in our garden. However, I did a little bit of digging around and I looked at some latest analysis of photosynthesis rates in algae. Amazingly enough it does seem that some groups of very small phytoplankton might be able to photosynthesise using the light from the moon provided that it was in the tropics and provided that at wasn’t being attenuated by a water column which tends to absorb light exponentially. So the answer is still probably no because, obviously phytoplankton grow in a water column so they’re not really likely to be able to pick up the light intensity.
However, it also opens up a number of intriguing questions because plants do certainly try to avoid the light from the moon. I’m sure many of you are familiar with the folding of leaves that we see in the clover growing in your lawns and lots of plants in the garden fold up their leaves at night. Darwin was interested in this and thought that it was to do with the leaves trying to maintain their heat balance at night. What we think is happening now is that the leaves are trying to avoid moonlight so as to prevent their circadian rhythms being disrupted by those very light intensities because they certainly do respond to moonlight. In fact, it’s now known that lots of animals – animals as diverse as snakes and crocodiles and a whole array of plants and different systems including humans – are highly sensitive to moonlight and the way that it can interrupt our circadian control and our sensing of day length.
I'm going to start calling you "DR" Pearl
From
"Bassmaster Bill'
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I got a lot of scrap but here they are, Ready for the TN. Classic
There all Billets
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b593/osagemark/100_0404_zpsb0bab8b7.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/osagemark/media/100_0404_zpsb0bab8b7.jpg.html)
about 75% scrap
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Nice haul! And nice fire pit.
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Outlaw
Looking forward to meeting you and all the other guys next week end. :)
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Same to you sir. See you in a few days