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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Bullitt on April 01, 2014, 03:51:31 pm

Title: Apple Stave
Post by: Bullitt on April 01, 2014, 03:51:31 pm
Found a real nice apple wood stave about 4" in dia. last fall at work, county recycling center.

Anyone used apple and what type of bow?

Thanks for any help or info!

Steve
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: IdahoMatt on April 01, 2014, 06:17:52 pm
One of my clients Hans a few apple trees that I just got back from checking out.  There is a lot of great wood from 3" diameter all the way up to about 7-8".  From what I have read apple is a good wood for bows.  While drying it wants to check badly so seal it up and let it set for a year or two.  That's just what I have read, it would be nice to hear what others have to say, that have tried it though

Matt
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Stoker on April 01, 2014, 07:29:05 pm
I could be wrong but here goes... Didn't Bryce(pinecone) do one from pacific crabapple not to long ago...
Thanks leroy
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Wiley on April 01, 2014, 08:16:46 pm
All I know is that its miserable to split, usually very twisted. Real hard stuff. Give it a shot, if it fails hack it up for smoking wood. Really excellent smoking wood if you've never tried it.
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Slackbunny on April 01, 2014, 09:37:38 pm
I have never made a bow from it, but I have cut it, split it and dried it. It twisted all to heck after splitting it and checked horribly. But to be honest, after it twisted so bad after being split I didn't bother to seal it up, so you may have better luck with checking if you get it sealed right away. Like someone else said, worse case scenario you've got some good smoking stock.
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: DavidV on April 01, 2014, 09:51:25 pm
Malus Domestica

SG 0.83
Weight 52 lbs/ft^3
compression 6,030 lbs/in^2
Modulus of Elasticity 1,270,000 lbs/in^2
Modulus of Rupture 12,800 lbs/in^2

That puts it about like winged elm but I bet it'd be closer to plum if I had the numbers for it. I can't remember who... may have been Saxton Pope or Maurice Thomson... mentioned it as being a good bow wood and they were making Longbows. If it were me (take with a grain of salt) I'd go 62 to 66" long and 1.5" at the fades for a flatbow and see where that got me.
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: rossfactor on April 02, 2014, 02:49:47 am
The apple I've used is kinda like plum, but quite a bit weaker in compression. Try to keep it wide,

Gabe
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Bryce on April 02, 2014, 02:57:13 am
The apple I've used is kinda like plum, but quite a bit weaker in compression. Try to keep it wide,

Gabe
Bingo! 1.5"+ seems to be the ticket:)
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: mikekeswick on April 02, 2014, 09:50:45 am
I've got some beautifully straight, untwisted billets of apple. Enough for about 5 bows  :) Mine have been drying slowly after being split, bark left on and they are completely unchecked. I'm looking forward to using them in a few years.
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Carson (CMB) on April 02, 2014, 02:27:05 pm
I have in my possession that crab apple bow that Bryce made and I can say it sure shoots like a great bow wood.  The limbs are wide, the tips are skinny, and it shoots!
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Bullitt on April 02, 2014, 03:56:42 pm
Thanks for all comments! I hope to put up a pic or 2 of the apple limb, stave. This one came in after the bad storm we had back in November here in the Midwest. A lot of apples were with it and other limbs and logs, too.

Not sure on the variety of apple, but we called 'em old fashion apples when I was a kid. She's pretty straight and sucker limb and knot free. Pretty uncommon you know for apple, or any other fruit tree!
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Bullitt on April 04, 2014, 01:43:06 pm
Hey Carson, can you post any pics of the bow, please? I remember a few years back, Timo had a bow, I think from crabapple, too. It was sweet!

Jim Fetro wrote an article in the Traditional Archery digest about bow woods back in the '80s. In it, apple wood was listed as a good one.

This stave is very dense for its size!
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: BOWMAN53 on April 04, 2014, 01:51:38 pm
check it out.

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,4575.msg63250.html#msg63250
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Pat B on April 04, 2014, 02:22:11 pm
Josh(DuffOnTap) is one of those guys that can make an incredible bow from just about anything he could find. I remember this crabapple bow he made back then. He was in to war bows mostly but he sure could build beautiful bows. Too bad he doesn't hang out here anymore.
  Looking forward to seeing what you come up with, Bullitt.
Title: Re: Apple Stave
Post by: Bullitt on April 04, 2014, 03:19:43 pm
Thanks Pat, and Bowman53! Yeah Pat, there is for sure  folks who can build them all!