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Title: Old American Indian Bow
Post by: kleinpm on March 18, 2014, 10:31:55 am
I called the division of Yellowstone National Park that stores there artifacts to see if I could exam any bows/arrows they might have. They replied that they had a recurve osage orange bow, 34 3/4 inch long. I thought this is going to be neat. I was expecting a short osage plains bow. To my surprise the bow is a Yew paddle bow from California that was donated to the Park about 100 years ago by a collector from Bozeman.The collector that donated the bow moved to Bozeman in the 1880's. The paperwork with the bow says it was acquired in Humboldt, CA. As far as I know this bow has been in storage since it was acquired and isn't in any books and has probably only been seen by a few people since it was acquired.

34 3/4 inches long, sinew backed yew. Handle is 1 1/4 inches wide and 1 9/16 inches wide mid limb. The the bow is more or less the same thickness throughout the bow at about 3/8". As you can see in the pictures the bow is painted on the back, but the belly was painted red at some point. Most of it is gone and it has an orange hue now. Some sapwood is visible on the edges of the bow.The string appears to have been painted red also, but it is very faint now. The red paint on the string may have been from handling the bow and then touching the string when it was in use or in storage.

The grip is wrapped with thick rawhide or thin leather and has seen a lot of use.

Unlike a lot of bows that I have seen in western museums, the workmanship is superb. There is not a tool mark anywhere on the bow and the sinew back looks better than most of the bows posted on the forum. Unlike most plains bows I have seen, the sinew seems like leg sinew instead of one thin course of backstrap sinew.

I have a few more pictures if anyone is looking for anything specific. There were two arrows with it that I am going to post in the arrows section.

Patrick
Title: Re: Old American Indian Bow
Post by: ionicmuffin on March 18, 2014, 10:59:10 am
is that bows belly slightly concave? very nice bow non the less
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Post by: nclonghunter on March 18, 2014, 11:37:39 am
Very cool, Thanks for sharing. Do you think the string is sinew or plant fiber? Looks like a two ply to me??
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Post by: bowtarist on March 18, 2014, 11:46:27 am
 8) dp
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Post by: kleinpm on March 18, 2014, 11:51:29 am
Ionic,

The bow is slightly rounded on the belly.

NClonghunter,

The string is 2 ply sinew, 1/8 inch across.

Patrick
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Post by: IdahoMatt on March 18, 2014, 11:54:13 am
Very cool old bow :)
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Post by: TimBo on March 18, 2014, 12:09:27 pm
That's great - thanks for posting!  I was just re-reading the paddle bows section of TBB last night. 
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on March 18, 2014, 12:17:38 pm
Wow! Thanks for sharing this bow. That string looks like sinew to me.  That thing looks stout for 34"!!

You said the backing looked like twisted leg sinew?  Do you have any close-ups of that?  Looks like it has the Hupa kerf-cut nocks. 

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Post by: Traxx on March 18, 2014, 12:31:58 pm
outstanding

thanxx for posting.,

Title: Re: Old American Indian Bow
Post by: kleinpm on March 18, 2014, 12:46:54 pm
Wow! Thanks for sharing this bow. That string looks like sinew to me.  That thing looks stout for 34"!!

You said the backing looked like twisted leg sinew?  Do you have any close-ups of that?  Looks like it has the Hupa kerf-cut nocks.

No. The backing looks like leg sinew instead of back sinew, not twisted. Most plains bows that I have seen have one thin layer of blackstrap sinew.

Patrick
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Post by: loefflerchuck on March 18, 2014, 12:56:12 pm
Thanks for the new photo on my file
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Post by: paoliguy on March 18, 2014, 01:15:41 pm
That was a great opportunity for you to examine that bow. Thank you for sharing it.
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on March 18, 2014, 01:55:28 pm
Thanks for clarifying....I dont know where I read twisted??? 

ionicmuffin, I thought it looked concave too.  Must be one of those depth illusion things. 

That is a sweet discovery.  Glad they allowed you to nock the dust off and snap some photos.  Thanks for sharing them. 
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Post by: Peacebow_Coos on March 18, 2014, 03:46:32 pm
awesome piece of history there, great detective work kleinpm
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Post by: osage outlaw on March 18, 2014, 05:13:35 pm
Very interesting.  Thanks for sharing
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Post by: PAHunter on March 18, 2014, 05:22:22 pm
That is sweet!  The only bow at my museum is an Eskimo bow.  Still cool but wish they had more.  Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on March 18, 2014, 05:30:52 pm
That is a piece of history... wonderful bow. Thanks for sharing. jawge
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Post by: PatM on March 18, 2014, 07:23:48 pm
Very nice. Did you argue with them that it wasn't Osage and supposed to be strung the opposite way? ;)
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Post by: kleinpm on March 18, 2014, 08:00:12 pm
Very nice. Did you argue with them that it wasn't Osage and supposed to be strung the opposite way? ;)

The string was loose, although it wouldn't surprise me if it had been strung backwards.
I informed the lady helping me that the wood was not osage. She was very helpful, but very unknowledgable. She was more of a secretary than a historian.
The bow was labeled Osage when it was donated to the Park in 1930. I doubt anyone has examined it since then.

Patrick
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Post by: tallpine on March 18, 2014, 08:31:17 pm
Very interesting Patrick, Thanks for sharing
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Post by: Badly Bent on March 18, 2014, 08:52:48 pm
Very cool, thanks for posting this so we all could have a look into the past. Be nice to have one of those in your own personal collection wouldn't it.
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Post by: dwardo on March 19, 2014, 06:32:15 am
Should have bagged it an run away whilst she had her back turned  >:D

Lovely piece of history.
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Post by: neuse on March 19, 2014, 09:04:51 am
Thank you for posting the pics. I saved them to my file.
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Post by: PAHunter on March 19, 2014, 02:19:25 pm
hey Patrick, here are a few pics from my last visit to the Carnegie museum in Pittsburgh.