Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Thesquirrelslinger on February 03, 2014, 08:46:58 pm
-
So what do yall think of technology? I think it is useful for some things... but I don't need to know that you just brushed your cat on facebook.
As for phones- I think that they are great, until you pay more attention to your phone than your friends or other human beings.
-
I think it's all about responsible resource and labor management.... whatever that is. Cell phones are great for the developed world but it probably sucks for the African folks in the coltan mines.
-
Micro wave ovens are nice :).
-
Technology does a lot of wonderful things for us. Even if we don't use it in day to day life, there is a lot that people take for granted that we wouldn't have otherwise.
Tim- As far as africa goes- much of the continent is now connected to the outside world via cell phones. This was prohibitively expensive with landlines due to the large amount of infrastructure involved. Much less needed to put up the towers, and some generators. Granted, we'd probably laugh at the reception quality and reliability but it is better than nothing. --- Just finished reading what you said after I typed the last paragraph- yes the resources we are using for these bits and bobs are bleeding our planet dry, and the methods used to extract them are mostly horrid. People think peak oil will be an issue. Just wait till we see peak iridium, or something along those lines.
My personal take on technology (which may go against the grain with folks on this site) is that our kids don't get enough proper exposure to it in school. Sure, everyone and their brother is giving middle school kids tablets and laptops, but how many of those kids are actually learning how those things work as opposed to simply how to use them? We don't do nearly enough to prepare children for the world they will be living in. We are behind the times when it comes to technology education. Estonia starts teaching programming to 1st graders. 1st grade! There is a reason that every big hacking story you hear about has its roots in eastern europe- Those are the people with the skills to pull it off. Not saying that I approve of the behavior, but still... There is so much benefit people can get from learning some simple programming, from logic to creative problem solving, to the feeling of actually creating something that didn't exist before. That last part is something I know one or two of you here can get behind. ;)
-
Technology is a direct result of human existence. Whether it be lithic technology or cyber technology.
-
Lots of folks say they don't like or need Technology,that is until they don't have it
then you find MOST whining about it,like the elect is off or TV is out/computer is down or car won't run and just in the last few year/phone won't pick up in such and such an area. Kind of funny to me to hear folks put it down but if it involves them it's OK. Like it or not it is here to stay and is only going to be more of it and moving much quicker than in the past. ???
Pappy
-
Tools are tools for good or bad they are just tools , use them wisely !
Guy
-
I've been told all my life, " Man, you were born in the wrong century"! Maybe so, I don't know, but I do know wouldn't have reached this one without penicillin.
Robby
-
Nobody here can talk too much about being anti technology. Your on an internet forum. lol.
Personally I love technology. I have a smart phone, a laptop, an xbox, a 4wd truck, gps, powertools, Heating/AC, microwave. I love all of it. I'm tinkering with primitive stuff for fun. I'd sure hate to have to rely on it for survival. I enjoy a good power outage and I love being out in nature and camping and anything outdoors. I crave it but I want my modern luxuries back after a while.
-
I just wish someone would invent a quiet generator. Nothing like enjoying the first cup of coffee out camping and having the next campsite flash up the generator to dry her hair >:( >:(
-
I have nothing against technology, its just the disassociation that the current generation has, well some of them anyway.
I hate visiting people when they totally ignore you, don't even say hello, and they sit there looking into thier I-phones and texting. Its an epidemic in our modern world.
I love technology for all the advances they have made in the medical field and have improved some aspects of every day life. But in the end its better sometimes to be sitting in a log cabin smoking a pipe having the odd whiskey, feeding the fireplace and having good conversation with another... :)
-
I'm waiting for technology to give me back sight in my left eye! It's on the way! Hopefully they'll be able to give me night vision while they're at it, heads up smart technology in my sight field, internet access, video recording ability, hell the whole 9 yards.
Scary thing is we're closer to it than away from the access.
From what I read, science has already jumped the gap transferring information from computing systems to biological nervous tissue.
Next, I want to be able to become invisible on demand. ;D
-
I'm waiting for technology to give me back sight in my left eye! It's on the way! Hopefully they'll be able to give me night vision while they're at it, heads up smart technology in my sight field, internet access, video recording ability, hell the whole 9 yards.
Scary thing is we're closer to it than away from the access.
From what I read, science has already jumped the gap transferring information from computing systems to biological nervous tissue.
Next, I want to be able to become invisible on demand. ;D
I dunno about on demand, but there are invisibility cloaks now.
hiding things about the size of a paperclip.
As for the anti-tech things I said- I mean that I think it has its place. If you are texting WHILE talking with friends.... Don't get me started...
-
Technology has taken away the dreamer and inventor of yesteryear. Men and Women would get an idea in their head, dream it, manufacture it and bring it to fruition. Today everything is available at the push of a button. Lets be honest, all the I-whatevers are all the same thing in a different package...With a higher price and more hastle with each inception....
Technology has made us fatter, lazier, and less in tune with the world around us...It has helped Darwin's case by survival of the fittest and smartest...Disagree???Look at all the people who get taken out behind the wheel while glued to technology, instead of the task at hand...
Don't get me wrong, Pennicillin, rubber soled shoes and microwave popcorn are absolute genius...But as for video games, instant texting, and the wife being able to find me with her so called smart phone....Bad, Very Bad...
All this while typing on a computer forum about Primitive Archery....Geesh, talk about a mind screw...Go figure...
-
Bit of a loaded question for a site called Primitive Archer don't you think?
-
I was jawboning with a fellow at the local archery range one day last summer, he's not a close friend, but a good and decent man that I like and have a respect for, knowing a little about his history and the admirable way that he has handled his troubles. Anyway, somehow the gabfest wandered on to computers, not my strong suit but I do try to keep up, when out of no where he says the "internet is evil". I was a bit taken aback and he went on with "I know evil when I see it and its evil"! Now our range is a beautiful woodland setting with hills, gullies, springs and even a swamp. Its the kind of place that when your in it, you almost instinctively lower your voice, like you were in a grand cathedral during service, sort of a natural reverence, I go there for the feeling of wholeness I get as much as to shoot countless arrows and walk around, not to argue, especially the esoterics of the internet and its relationship to good and evil. So after a bit of assessment, I just looked him in the eye and in a voice that I thought was reflective of the feelings I have for our surroundings said, well John, I suppose one could look at it that way, but for me its just a tool no different than the most basic of technologies like fire or a hammer, both of which bring us many good things, both of which can be abused for what might be considered evil purposes. Its kind of like saying life is unfair. Heck, life isn't fair, or unfair for that matter, its what happens, only people can possibly possess those traits, exulted or base as they may be. It rains on the just and the unjust, you can make shelter or curse your lot in life, that's the beauty of free will. That was the totality of my somewhat muted rant and I think he realized that was the end of my side of the conversation. I still see him from time to time and enjoy his company and like to think he still enjoys mine. Hope that makes some kind of sense.
Robby
-
Well, I don't own a TV and the only reason I have a cell phone is because I travel isolated roads on the rez. I have the internet to do email and do research and enjoy sites like this. But technology is definitely creating a problem with common courtesy. I like aspects of technology, but some of it tends to detract from more important things it should be used for.
There are still traditional Navajos on the rez who speak little to no English, have no electricity or running water, live in hogans with woodstove cooking and heat, and are pretty self-sufficient food-wise. They mostly use horses for herding, but have a truck to come into town and buy flour, coffee, sugar, ammo, and some other things. They could move into a town on the rez and have all those things like internet and so on, but they don't. They're happy living traditionally because it's important to them. In some ways, they're better off than people living in towns that do have technology. They use the technology they need----trucks, firearms----but set a boundary on things they see no point to having. But if the gas ran out tomorrow, they'd survive just fine. They'd just do without the coffee and flour and when the ammo ran out, just go back to bows. They probably wouldn't hear about the gas running out for a couple weeks. There are Navajos out there that speak no English at all and don't need to learn it. When you're raising sheep, have horses, grow your own corn and squash, and tobacco and medical herbs are there for the picking, you don't need a whole lot else. Just an interesting thing to mention that there are still people living without technology and they're aware it exists, but don't want to have it.
-
Of course for a long time the primitive weapons that we produce were the height of human technology and a key to our survival. Modern technology is much the same. It enables us to have a much greater quality and longevity of life when used in a positive way. When used in a harmful way; well we see countless examples of that as well.
I am a tech nerd by trade and have all the latest technical gadgets (including the archery ones). They are great and I try to use them in a way that makes my life better. However after working by a computer all day I can’t wait to get outside and forget I’ve ever saw one. I’ll hike, shoot, bike, or just find a spot deep in the woods and meditate. Now I get to take my 4.5 year old daughter with me as well. She can use an iPad like a champ but can also shoot a bow and file a bamboo arrow. It’s some strange yin and yang type balance for us.
What I dislike about technology is how accustomed people have become to instant gratification. I feel sorry for them because we only truly appreciate things we work for. For example there is nothing wrong with compound hunting or crossbow hunting, I do it myself, but many/most modern hunters are completely unaware of what bow hunting was to man for the past thousands of years. Hand crafted weapon and hunting knowledge passed from father to son and mastered over a lifetime. The tribe’s wellbeing partially dependent on the success of its hunters. The intense personal satisfaction and group celebration of a kill. Now we just drive through McDonalds to get food and are too busy to even hang up our cell phones.
Sorry to blabber on. I just feel that I am one of the lucky ones to be able to take a step back, slow down, and appreciate what man truly is and where we came from in this fast paced world.
-
Read some good stuff on here. We also have to keep in mind if there is ever an apocalypse, some of these guys with thier big 4X4's a rifle and a bucket of ammunition will get them by for only so long when they find out they can't buy any ammo or fuel. These are the ones that laugh at everything primitive and otherwise.
Its all about attitude, why build anything when they can run down to WalMart and buy it.
-
An electric hot water tank is developed technology....I love a HOT SHOWER
Life is not based on modern conviences. We can and have survived without them and can again if need be. They are nice conviences and I do not mind having them. I have done some 18th century reenactments and lived for a week with a flintlock, wool blanket, jerky and parched corn. It was fun and a great expierience, but coming home to conviences is nice.
-
I know people who would literally go insane if they had to live without their phones for a day or 2.
i also know people who are incapable of starting a fire with matches.
-
Tools are tools for good or bad they are just tools , use them wisely !
Guy
Very well said!
-
If it weren't for technology I wouldn't be here. So I guess you could say, I am all for it.