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Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: PrimitiveTim on December 28, 2013, 04:51:39 pm

Title: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: PrimitiveTim on December 28, 2013, 04:51:39 pm
This is what I spent the majority of the day filming.  Why? well, I'm not really sure why but I thought it was pretty cool.  Now tell me why the turkey vultures wouldn't join in.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q81/s720x720/1531878_258642957625593_556997284_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: Pat B on December 28, 2013, 05:42:46 pm
Natures clean up crew. Thank goodness we have vultures!  Did they leave ant interesting parts to the snapping turtle, Tim, like claws.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: JW_Halverson on December 28, 2013, 06:03:07 pm
Aw cool! Black vultures!  We don't have them up here, sorry to say.  They are suspected to be even smarter than turkey vultures. 

In India they commonly doctor cows with a strong pain medication in their old age.  This compound stays in the tissue and when vultures eat the meat they die almost immediately from the toxicity. 98% of the vultures in India are gone and the rates of disease all over the country are skyrocketing.  Things like rabies are linked to low vulture populations because other scavengers are booming, wild dogs-rats-etc....rabies carriers! 

Yeah, I'm a little off in this department, but I love me some vultures!
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: seabass on December 28, 2013, 06:16:32 pm
love the pic.thanks Tim for the look.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: JW_Halverson on December 28, 2013, 06:38:54 pm
Caption contest?

1)  "Hey! Did you know turtles have 27 different kinds of meat?"

2)  Leonardo DeVultures "The Last Supper"

3)  After winning the race with the notorious grudge holding hare, the tortoise died under mysterious circumstances.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: bowtarist on December 28, 2013, 06:58:27 pm
I'm a big fan of vultures. Nothing nasty about them if you don't get spit up on by bein too close.

There is a city park in Costa Rica on the Gulf side, the name slips my mind right now, but I walked around it and never found a gate, the place was full of black vultures, Limon I think it was. One of the craziest things I've ever seen, there were thousands of them in there.

I always thought if I got a sleeve tattoo it would be maggots on the hand and wrist, moving into a opposum all topped off with a big spread wing Turkey Vulture.  We only see the black ones when they migrate in the fall.

Not nasty, nice pic, dp
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: RyanR on December 28, 2013, 08:06:15 pm
That is a really neat picture.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: H Rhodes on December 28, 2013, 09:49:08 pm
No, they are nasty.  If you have ever seen them gathered up by the dozens waiting to catch a cow having a calf, you can learn to hate them.  There part of nature and do a good job cleaning up carcasses, but the way they will kill a calf makes me not like the sight of them.  >:(
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: 4dog on December 28, 2013, 10:26:38 pm
they gotta eat too..hogs do it..yotes do it..even big bad vultures do it ...lets do it...lets eat some meeeeaaatt!!!!!
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: PrimitiveTim on December 28, 2013, 10:58:24 pm
Oh no I don't necessarily think vultures are nasty.  I think roadkill is nasty and vultures being associated with them make them kind of nasty.  It smelled terrible and the nerves were still active so when I picked it up it squirmed a little.  Zombie snapper!!!

I learned that black vultures are more aggressive and will run off turkey vultures.

I'll go back to the area tomorrow and see what's left.  I hope the skull is in good shape.  I might even take the tail skin too as it looks like something off a dinosaur.

No, they are nasty.  If you have ever seen them gathered up by the dozens waiting to catch a cow having a calf, you can learn to hate them.  There part of nature and do a good job cleaning up carcasses, but the way they will kill a calf makes me not like the sight of them.  >:(
Back during the depression my great grandmother would stand guard over the cows and shoot vultures so they didn't get at the calves.  I've also heard of crested caracaras eating cow placentas after the birth.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: Dharma on December 30, 2013, 11:51:54 pm
Generally, Turkey Vultures have a more keen sense of smell and find the carcasses. But they lack the beak strength to break open the carcasses sometimes so they await the Black Vultures who follow the TVs around. The BVs open the carcass. The TVs await their turn.

I've seen Golden Eagles and Bald Eagles on roadkilled elk and mule deer here quite often. Redtail Hawks also. But when enough ravens show up, they'll mob an eagle off the carcass.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: Gus on December 31, 2013, 05:01:26 am
Looks like an Aligator Snapper from Here...

My Caption would Read:

NOOOO Donatello!!!
I told you That April girl was No Good for you!!!

:)

-gus
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: PrimitiveTim on December 31, 2013, 11:28:02 am
Looks like an Aligator Snapper from Here...


NOOOO Donatello!!!
I told you That April girl was No Good for you!!!

Yeah, if it was an alligator snapper I wouldn't have touched it as they are protected in Florida.  This is a common snapping turtle.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: Gus on December 31, 2013, 02:12:57 pm
I hear ya...
They are listed as Threatened in Texas as well.

That one is hard to ID with all the parts missing in the photo....

:)

-gus
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: JackCrafty on December 31, 2013, 02:41:48 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: PrimitiveTim on December 31, 2013, 03:32:13 pm
I am now very interested to see how this thread progresses!  Keep 'em up fellas!  >:D
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: JacksonCash on December 31, 2013, 04:53:45 pm
Stuff You Should Know recently did a pretty cool podcast about vultures. Apparently their role in nature as a disease break is so critical that the vultures of the eastern and western hemisphere evolved independently of one another to fill the exact same role.

Also, re: snapping turtle nerve impulses(This may not be for the weak-stomached); my dad had a friend who trapped turtles years back. Had my dad come over once when he was cleaning some of his catch, and asked him to reach into the beheaded carcass of one and grab the heart to pull out. My dad isn't one to balk at much, so in he reached and put his hand around the heart. He says that he started pulling, and then it beat right in his hand. He let go and got his hand out. His buddy said "What are you worried about, the bitey part is gone!". No idea if it is true or not, but it's a tale I've often heard him tell.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: PrimitiveTim on December 31, 2013, 05:34:39 pm
Not surprised at all.  The whole back end wiggled when I grabbed the tail.  I shot some footage but I don't think that will be released.  Maybe if I did a "weird" video of a few weird things I've caught on film.
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: JackCrafty on December 31, 2013, 08:25:37 pm
Still remember the first turtle I ate.  Cut the head off and removed the underside of the shell.  Then cut the legs off and put them in a pot of water.  Got the water boiling and looked over at the remains.  Heart was still beating.  :o
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: gstoneberg on January 01, 2014, 01:25:49 pm
... No idea if it is true or not, but it's a tale I've often heard him tell.

Absolutely true.  The first snapper I cleaned I cut the heart out and laid it on a chunk of wood.  It beat there on and off for a half an hour.  We took the shell with the skinned legs, neck and tail attached in and put it in my grandmother's sink.  I was outside when I heard her screaming and went in to find the shell and legs standing up in her sink trying to walk.  Snakes are just as bad.  Years ago I took the head off a rattler and put the body in the pocket of my jacket so I could keep the skin.  It kept crawling out and even attempted to strike with no head. 

George
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: stickbender on January 02, 2014, 01:55:32 am
     Cool!  Yeah, never come up suddenly on feeding Buzzards, or Vultures if you want to be correct!  A Friend of mine lived not to far from me, and I used to go over to his house, and we would ride his horse through the woods, and one day, we came up on some vultures in some trees, and we went over in that direction to see what was below, and the horse was not having any of it.  He said about a year, before, he had ridden around some palmettos, and there were about 20 to 30 vultures, eating on a dead animal, and they all took, off, over his head, and vomited all over him and his horse. :o :P :P  He said too bad the horse couldn't vomit, but he did!  He said he just rode to nearest canal, and plunged in!  From then on whenever a vulture was near, the horse would shy away from it!  I believe I would too!  Was the turtle hit by a vehicle?
"Hoo Whee, thank god for Louisiana Hot sauce!"  "Pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon?  "No, but if you wait a few minutes, and I will fly over and give you some Black vulture Poopon!"  "So tell me again, about your foreign Uncle who taught you to lift these things, and drop them on rocks...."  "Uh, excuse me Barry, but you have a piece of lower intestine, hanging near your left nare."  Wouldn't want you to get clogged up and all, start dancing around, making snorting and gagging noises, making the rest of us nervous as to what we just ate."  "Hey guys, I just had a great idea, how about we eat this thing, and each of us take a couple pieces of intestines, and fly over to the cemetery, and sit in front of the gates of one of the big mausoleums, with the intestines hanging out of our beaks, and watch the faces of the lawn maintenance guys!"

                                                                                Wayne
Title: Re: Buzzards are Just Nasty
Post by: PrimitiveTim on January 02, 2014, 02:00:51 am
Oh my stickbender.... :o lol  Um, yes.  Unfortunately this big female was struck by a vehicle on the road.  I came by and saw it hit and picked it up.  Didn't want anymore scavengers to get hit... and I needed it for a video :D