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Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 05:48:52 pm

Title: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 05:48:52 pm
Any one who plays guitar on here ever seen an archtop like this one ? I cant seem to find any like it on the Internet it has really unique sound holes

(http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q681/joec123able/51F3FA2D-2CA2-4376-A421-373EBB780B56-1038-000000A678343BA2_zps64e1e734.jpg)
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: 4dog on December 14, 2013, 07:19:13 pm
headstock looks very much like a rickenbacher..they do the speration thingy , dark middle light sides or vice versa..need a good pic of it though to be more sure.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 07:22:42 pm
headstock looks very much like a rickenbacher..they do the speration thingy , dark middle light sides or vice versa..need a good pic of it though to be more sure.

Kinda still can't find a rickenbacker with the same exact shape sound holes
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 07:31:22 pm
I'll post some cLose up pics
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: 4dog on December 14, 2013, 07:32:23 pm
yeah..ricks soundholes are flat on top...looks like a copy of the rickenbacker 790j jazz bo..a discontinued model..but the fret markers arent angled and the soundholes are rounded rather than flat.  will keep researching..lol...look hard inside the soundholes for anything written...lol
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 07:37:04 pm
yeah..ricks soundholes are flat on top...looks like a copy of the rickenbacker 790j jazz bo..a discontinued model..but the fret markers arent angled and the soundholes are rounded rather than flat.  will keep researching..lol...look hard inside the soundholes for anything written...lol

There is absolutely no words on it not inside the sound holes neither
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: 4dog on December 14, 2013, 07:43:47 pm
if its a bolt on neck..which i doubt...lol...you could try tsling the neck off it might be stamped there.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 07:48:34 pm
(http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q681/joec123able/73E9C2BC-6A34-4366-A662-129F32EDB8BE-259-0000001949AC80BD_zps655c6470.jpg)

(http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q681/joec123able/9FC8128D-BC36-4E12-AC2B-6F899F6AF734-259-000000194F337336_zpsca6889c9.jpg)

(http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q681/joec123able/6A5B7C3A-4291-4E16-AB51-5D125418CCD1-259-00000019562D639E_zps37f2e82e.jpg)

In the pics it looks brand new for some reason but she looks alittle rough in person
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 07:51:44 pm
It is not a bolt on neck
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: 4dog on December 14, 2013, 07:53:30 pm
wow..somebody went to a lot of trouble to copy the jazz bo..hmm..i got some other guitar nuts checking on it now as well...wont be long..hold tight.   thats why i said i doubted that....lol
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: 4dog on December 14, 2013, 08:25:18 pm
someone is telling me ..hofner 459.. but not really buying that...lol
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 08:31:19 pm
someone is telling me ..hofner 459.. but not really buying that...lol

Yea I don't think so
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: osage outlaw on December 14, 2013, 09:39:35 pm
Sterling is a guitar guy.  Maybe he will know.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: IdahoMatt on December 14, 2013, 10:50:34 pm
That looks like a copy of an old Gretsch.  The did the tear drop f holes like that on a couple of models.  It could be a Frankenstein.  But not too sure.  The headstock has me thrown. 
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: IdahoMatt on December 14, 2013, 11:03:20 pm
The mother of toilet seat headstock overlay is a giveaway with no logo.  I'm thinking it is a off brand.  The tailpiece looks like one you would see on an old off brand.  The bridge looks like it is ebony from the pics.  Can you tell if the nut and saddle are bone or plastic?  If they are bone, it would lead in another direction.  Is the binding painted on or is it plastic.  If it is plastic how many ply is it,  i.e. Black white black white?  These are all things to gather worth. 
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 14, 2013, 11:33:11 pm
The mother of toilet seat headstock overlay is a giveaway with no logo.  I'm thinking it is a off brand.  The tailpiece looks like one you would see on an old off brand.  The bridge looks like it is ebony from the pics.  Can you tell if the nut and saddle are bone or plastic?  If they are bone, it would lead in another direction.  Is the binding painted on or is it plastic.  If it is plastic how many ply is it,  i.e. Black white black white?  These are all things to gather worth.

The binding is plastic I beleive I'll get back to ya on that tommorow and I really can't tell wheather plastic or bone on the nut saddle And tuning keys
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: IdahoMatt on December 15, 2013, 02:31:18 am
Sounds good Joe.  You can tell if they are plastic because the string pressure will slightly cut or misshapen.  You will be able to see stress in the groves where bone will show nothing but a string grove.  Bone is slightly porous too.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 15, 2013, 04:02:44 pm
Sounds good Joe.  You can tell if they are plastic because the string pressure will slightly cut or misshapen.  You will be able to see stress in the groves where bone will show nothing but a string grove.  Bone is slightly porous too.


Looks to be all plastic
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: IdahoMatt on December 16, 2013, 02:56:15 am
Well does it play?  :) if so then keep on rockin in the free world ;D.  Sorry couldn't help it.  That is a super cool gitfiddle  none the less.  I would love to own something that original and unique if it was worth a penny. 

Matt
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: skyarrow on December 16, 2013, 11:55:03 am
Are there any numbers on it ? Take a flash light and look insid the body there mite be a tag in tuere on the side wall or back plate. Since it has no names i. The head stock it was either custom built or some one refinished it takong the names off
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: skyarrow on December 16, 2013, 12:03:31 pm
Its a very beautiful jazz guitar the holes look very rinkenbacker ish but rick normally did a diferent shape at the wide end being more angled instead of rounded

(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/bloodmoonwidow/PaPics/1D244BF9-A672-4800-BF63-6BC6008984C4.jpg) (http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/bloodmoonwidow/media/PaPics/1D244BF9-A672-4800-BF63-6BC6008984C4.jpg.html)

I can guess its a custom built guitar if it plays well and you can adjust the intonation i wouldt worry on the brand ;)
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: chief deer on December 16, 2013, 12:47:28 pm
How does she sound??
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 16, 2013, 06:14:34 pm
Well does it play?  :) if so then keep on rockin in the free world ;D.  Sorry couldn't help it.  That is a super cool gitfiddle  none the less.  I would love to own something that original and unique if it was worth a penny. 

Matt

Yep she plays pretty well for being beat to hell it looks like the wood on the body is actually warped alittle.

Are there any numbers on it ? Take a flash light and look insid the body there mite be a tag in tuere on the side wall or back plate. Since it has no names i. The head stock it was either custom built or some one refinished it takong the names off

You could be right there's absolutely no writing or numbers at all


How does she sound??

She sounds pretty dang good !
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Joec123able on December 16, 2013, 06:15:54 pm
And what a gorgeous guitar ya got there skyarrow
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: skyarrow on December 16, 2013, 07:11:02 pm
I wish that rick was mine :) but no its just an internet pic i found i have a kalamazoo i play some times along with the other twenty or so guitars i have lol
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: 4dog on December 17, 2013, 09:04:29 am
alright from the design of the guitar (soumdholes,fretmarkers,headstock)  i want you to look up ....Klira guitars, they made guitars in germany in the 60's ..im thinkin thats what you possess.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: 4dog on December 17, 2013, 09:26:55 am
whats making this hard is, a lot of guitar companies from germany in the 60's used each others ideas,,catseye soundholes,headstock styles , etc. if ya look up Hoyer guitars you will see the same catseye soundholes,without numbers of any kind its kind of a crap shoot,,but its definately a german builder that made your guitar. might be worth something might not... keep us posted though,im curious.  lol