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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: bubbles on November 27, 2013, 04:14:03 pm
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Hi Everybody -
I've been considering doing a takedown lately and I'm wondering what people experiences are with the various options. I've checked out the fiberglass sleeve build along, a few Metal takedown sleeve build alongs and pics, and noticed the varying reviews about them. Also checked out a bunch of the 3pc takedowns. All look pretty awesome.
I'm just wondering about stuff like the longevity, the fit, and the potential problems of each design. Does the fit of any of these methods loosen/get sloppy over time? Do the metal takedown sleeves still fit in the winter or summer due to expansion/shrinkage? Just wondering what the opinions are on the longest lasting, least fussy option.
Thanks.
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Haven't thought about the shrinkage on the metal. I will have to listen closely because I'm gonna make a t/d for elk hunting next year and that would suck if I couldn't get it out!!!
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I think not being able to get it in would be worse...... >:D
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Never built a takedown but i think a 3piece is the safest route,no risk of being stuck or dents making it impossible to "get it in" 8)
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If I were you seriously consider a 3 peice. Have only built one, an experiement but none the less you learn on doing different type. Right out of the gate I did not hesitate to build 3 limbs, that way if one broke, the third limb was waiting. I took maybe 25 shots and the bottom limb snaped. Luckily I had the spare limb waiting, just had to drill the holes.
Its easy to make a 3rd. limb when you have all the tools and material ready to go..! And I find that a 2 peice does not seem to stack as easily, maybe just me,? but I like the way it pulls smoothly to full draw.
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How long were your working limbs and for what draw length? Where did the limb break? Around the riser/hardware area? Would one of the cons of the 3 pc maybe be shorter working limb length due to extra space taken by the riser?
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Limbs are 26" riser is 17 1/2" NTN is 62"......the break was mid way, bad glue line. The limbs were 1 1/2" wide glued 2 peices glued opposite. Next one I build will have limbs about 28" long and riser about 16"
Have a look at this link, its a good example of a takedown built by Bubby. And ya its all wood..!!http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=24354.0
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you can build a plain jane 3 pc simple enough but if you want a nice one they are a lot of work, I've built quite a few so I have some experience, working on a sleeve t/dright now and it is fairly simple, you would have to get pretty careless with it to mess it up
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Yeah, I checked that out as well as some of Marc's 3pc. Great bow bubby.
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it depends on what you want, if ya just want a bow you can pack and don't really worry about looks just make a riser and run the bolts all the way thru, I like my bows to look nice before I beat them up >:D
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Yeah, I was just trying to start a discussion about any common faults or problems with any of the typical options. I feel like I saw some comments about metal takedown sleeves not fitting very well out of the box. Or in the fiberglass sleeve build along I think if the sleeve was attached to the bottom limb the limbs don't hold together perfectly during the draw. Maybe a certain design is better for fluctuations in temperature or humidity. Right now a 3 pc seems like the most forgiving towards changes in temperature and humidity since bolts are used to tighten the limbs as opposed to relying on a perfectly mated set of metal sleeves or fiberglass. But maybe it doesn't make that much difference at all.
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yeah it's a good topic, if you decide on a 3 pc and need some help just send me a pm
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I also found this one - anyone tried it? http://www.dickwightman.com/archeryactivity/bowbuilding/connexionhinge/thehinge.html. Bloody expensive though. Same with the bow bolt.
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There is nothing wrong with standard takedown sleeves. I think 3 rivers sell some but have never used them...
It doesn't matter if the fit isn't perfect out of the box - you will likely need to adjust the fit of the tubes after fitting to your billets anyway. The real potential problem is the billets not being very dry before fitting....don't ask how I know that!!! Get them dry,dry,dry before fitting into the tubes ;)
Also rawhide works for a set of 'primitive' takedown sleeves. :)
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If the wood is not dry enough, I would assume it would shrink as it dried further and loosen the fit?
I was intending on using boards for this (kiln dried). should I blast the ends with a heat gun before fitting the sleeves to drive out any moisture that might be left?
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Echo archery sells nice sleeves. I just made a yew take-down with them. Yes it takes some time to get the metal parts fitting right, but it would also take a pretty good shot to mess up the outer steel sleeve. From what I have heard the sleeves that Echo sells are preferred over the 3rivers version.
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Steelslinger,
Any way you could post a photo of what your bow looks like with the T/D sleeves from Echo? Their website appears to be broken and is not showing any photos right now. I have a couple Hackberry staves that each taper from wide to narrow and the narrow ends of both have a propeller twist to them. Rather than mess about with trying to straighten both staves, I'm just going to cut them both down to 36" and make billets. I was thinking of doing a T/D instead of splicing.
Matt
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http://echoarchery.com/bow-making-supplies (http://echoarchery.com/bow-making-supplies)
I didn't have any trouble with Echo's site. Scroll down here and see the sleeves. I bought at least one from Echo and was happy. They all look a like but I think the one's Echo carries are the better quality.
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Sorry to hear the website was down, not sure what that was about.
The sleeves I carry are from the original maker. I carry them because I wasnt happy with the fit of the one I ordered from the big distributor. These fit much better and include two brass ferrules.
BTW, Bryce, your t/d crabapple has a very nice fit thanks again for such a beautiful, finely crafted bow.
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Sorry to hear the website was down, not sure what that was about.
The sleeves I carry are from the original maker. I carry them because I wasnt happy with the fit of the one I ordered from the big distributor. These fit much better and include two brass ferrules.
BTW, Bryce, your t/d crabapple has a very nice fit thanks again for such a beautiful, finely crafted bow.
Your very welcome:) I know one of the brass fittings I hit with the rasp a couple times and has some scars but seemed to fit just fine:)
Well I got the sleeves from Richard Dykoff :) same ones you sell.
There very nicely fitted sleeves. And Richard uses the right materials for the job.
Now that Iam out I need to order more from echo :)
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So while we're on the topic, shall we talk about the different options for each of the options?
Such as, for a two piece, sleeved takedown you can make the sleeve from rawhide, steel or fiberglass.
Also two piece (or four, if you're Fiddler 49) can be accomplished by overlapping two limbs at the handle, putting pins through and binding tightly.
For three piece, there is of course bolting the limbs to the riser. But there's a lot of ways to do this I'm sure, though I don't know the names or options for fasteners. I'm interested to hear what people have used. I did recently successfully resuscitate another thread where tee-nuts were used to good effect.
edited to add: Of course there is also the option of having bolts go right through the riser too.
Dave
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I don't have any close up pics of the take-down it's self, but I can get you one if you need it.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,42724.msg572982.html#msg572982
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What are peoples opinions on fitting each limb with the ferrule or just fitting the top limb permanently to the bigger sleeve sans brass ferrule? Using the ferrule just for the bottom limb?
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Even though I have made several takedowns ( 3 and 2 piece ) I personally don't care for them and don't use any of them for hunting or target shooting. I made them more out of curiosity. They can be useful if you want to make use of broken bows though. Of the two I would opt for the 3 piece.
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Good to know - thanks Marc.