Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: tipi stuff on November 23, 2013, 10:13:19 am
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Well, nobody was up at 4:30 this morning to drink coffee with me. We got a good layer of ice in North Texas last night, so I got a fire going in the fire place. Now, three hours later, I thought I might post some things for the group to look at. These are originals from various collections. Most of them are Lakota, Cheyenne, Kiowa, Arapaho, or Comanche.
Here are a few beaded ones.
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This one is from Stockholm, and like the first one, is Lakota.
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I think this one is from the Montana Historical Society. I don't have a tribal ID for it though.
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This one is from Stuttgart. It is hair-on buffalo.
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Here are a couple of Southern Plains cowhide quivers. Both of these are the 1860's. The first one is Comanche and was collected at Paint Creek, Texas. The second was collected at the Washita, and is very likely Cheyenne.
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These are cowhide. The first is in Topeka, Kansas and the second one is in Berlin. I do not have tribal ID's on these, but both appear to be Southern Plains. My guess is that the Berlin quiver is Comanche.
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Wow those are great thanks for sharing those. Those are an inspiration. My wheels are turning for sure on replication. ;D
Matt
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Those are nice I wonder if dad would notice if a cow came in with a patch of hide missing. >:D
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Awesome pictures! Thanks for posting those!
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
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Thanks!! this is nice,,I wish we could keep this thread as a refrence??? wow good stuff right there JeffW
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Yeah Jeff, I'm not sure how to do that but you can probably load them onto a flash drive. That way you can have a permanent copy. That is what I have done. Most of these are not my photos, but are photos I've saved from various places.
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I though I would post a few lion hide quivers from various tribes this morning. The first two are Comanche. The quiver in top photo has most of the hair eaten off by bugs, but it is still a classic Southern Plains lion hide quiver. The bottom photo, though labeled Comanche, could also be Kiowa.
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These two are Cheyenne.
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And a couple of otter hide. Both of these are Nez Perce.
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Thanks for posting !
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Now I have even more projects to do thanks alot >:D
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Thanks to your family for not getting up! Seriously, thx for posting. I'm making my own plains quiver and these pics will help!
Cheers,
Dan
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Missed this over the weekend. Wondered if y'all had any ice...Nice pics.
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Ha! Thanks all. You all will have to post pictures if you make one of these.
Hey Slim, the storm wasn't nearly as bad as it was supposed to be. I did get some beads put onto the neck pieces for a shirt. I'll sew them on this week, and paint the shirt. I have a guy making some quill wrapped hair locks for me. I'll send you a photo when I get it done. CC
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You need to post some "work in progress" pics of that war shirt. Very cool!
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Thanks for the great pics. It still amazes me when folks talk about how much work it used to be to live on the land. Do these bead work quivers look like the product of an overworked fool??? These are beautiful testaments to earth based living and the art of existing. Thanks tipi stuff. By the way, why tipi in the name? can't deny it caught my eye right away.
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Wylden, My interest in archery is an offshoot of my interest in Plains Indian material culture. I'm particularly interested in Cheyenne material from the 1860 - 1870 time period. I replicate a lot of stuff and then take it out and play with it to see how it works. CC
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Nice pad "saddle"... that is on my to-do list.
IW
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Good eye Isaac! Thanks, you'll have to send a picture when you get one done.
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Beautiful quivers,very nice work. :)
Pappy
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That tipi is full of treasures. 8)
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Pappy, all of the quivers are old originals. They are certainly very nice. I've only had the chance to handle a couple of old ones, but I've got quite a few pictures of them.
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I love this stuff, thanks for posting pics. The original quivers are outstanding but so is your collection of replicas, I wouldn't mind seeing more pics of those items too.
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I was looking at those woven cat-tail style back rests. Straight from the Laubin recipe book! Looks good tipistuff! You can come on out and live in tipi village anytime!
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Are the back-rests Cattail or Willow ? I've always wanted to make some - Thanks, Bob.
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I'll see if I have any pictures that show some of the stuff on the inside a little more clearly. I am not very good about remembering a camera. The back rests are made of willow. I have to confess, I cheated a little when I made these. The old ones were made by punching a hole with an awl, and then stringing them together with sinew. I drilled the holes and then strung them together with cord. I always intended to go back and replace the cord with sinew, but I haven't done it yet. It seems that it is easier to move on to a new project, and just leave them as they are. Mine are patterned after Cheyenne ones. There are 150 willows in each chair.
The bundle of willows in front of the tipi is a willow bed. I have two beds. One sleeps single, and one double. The Cheyenne are the only Plains tribe that I am aware of that used these on a regular basis in the early to mid 1800's. More tribes started using them once they settled on the reservations.
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Thanks for the reply. I know You support the Backrests with a tripod, how are the beds used ? Thanks again- Bob.
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Bob, you are correct in regard to the backrest tripod. As for the beds, there is a runner down each side to prop it off the ground. I split a couple of 6 or 7 inch willows to make my runners. I have a couple of short ones at the head and foot of the bed, and long ones that run the length. The runners were often smaller in diameter and propped up on forked sticks. I have the forked sticks cut to raise mine that way, but haven’t used them this way yet.
Since the topic has taken a turn from quivers to tipis, I’ll start another thread that we can pu this stuff on. Curtis
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I would say the last 2 Cheyenne outfits were Southern Cheyenne.
Northern Cheyenne would be hard to distinguish from Lakota in most cases as often they were itipspoye ,back then.
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Traxx, definitely the first quiver is southern, and probably the second as well. The beadwork on the tail of the second one is southern style; the beads around the bow case are almost like the pieces found on northern style otter quivers.
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Here is another shot of it the Cheyenne lion hide quiver, though not as clear as I would like. Notice the cloth flag/ banner. The flags are common on lion hide quivers, but you don't see them on other types. Curtis
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Well, ice in North Texas sent me home early today. thought I might throw a couple more Plains Quivers on here. This one is a Lakota quiver. Notice the flap on the quiver itself. There are quite a few Northern Plains quivers with flaps.
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Here is another with a flap on the quiver. This one is from the Montana Historical Society.