Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Joec123able on October 02, 2013, 10:27:54 pm
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So I have this Osage stave one of the cleanest Osage staves I've ever seen EXCEPT one nasty large knot right near the the handle fade will be I couldn't even get the knot to one growth ring so I don't know what the heck to do the knot ends right where the fade will end what do you guys think I outta do ? I don't know If I should rasp as much of the knot away as possible or what
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Just my opinion and I'm new. But that's awesome. I'd leave it. It looks like a non working part of the handle. It's almost a small burl it looks like. Bet u wouldn't see another bow like it.
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I'd also do my best to include that in a static part of the bow, personally, but be sure not to let it work too much.
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I don't think it's gonna be working its right where the fade will be
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I wouldn't rasp it away. Leave it proud, just sand it real pretty. If it's not bending there you should be ok. I have one with a similar issue and I did rasp it away, but only because it was punky wood all the way thru to the belly. Filled with epoxy and never a problem.
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I would cut the shelf in on the other side just because it would make me nervous with that knot. Looks okay as long as it doesn't bend.
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Alright guys then I will move the shelf to the other side and try to keep it on the bottom fade
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I also have alittle straightening to do on this stave too but shouldn't be a problem atleast I hope knot 8)
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Is the bow at sideway brace? Lol that's a boomerang.
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You and I define "clean" differently. Good luck with it. :)
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When I say clean I mean no knots or anything but hey that curve isn't as bad as it looks most of the stave is pretty straight just towards the end of one limb it bends off to the side .... Nothing alittle steam can't fix
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It looks like a 45 degree angle
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It looks like a 45 degree angle
Not quite
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Do you have enough length to move your handle layout to where the knot would be in the handle instead of the fade? I would center it in the handle if it were mine and had the length to do it.
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Do you have enough length to move your handle layout to where the knot would be in the handle instead of the fade? I would center it in the handle if it were mine and had the length to do it.
I was gonna do that but then the bow would only be 60 inchs long
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Plenty for a bendy handle osage, or recurve.
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Plenty for a bendy handle osage, or recurve.
What about a stiff handled 60 inch recurve should handle my short 26 inch draw right ? Or since the bow is 66 inchs I was thinking of just cutting it to 63 inchs long so the knot is atleast moved slightly further away from the fade
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Firstly get rid of the idea of having a deeply cut centre shot, arrow pass, a really bad idea with that stave. Its going to need heat correction anyway because of that staves natural tip alignment, so you will be able to tweak the string alignment so it shoots like a centreshot bow.
As for the knot, I would follow the interior curve of the knot from the handle, up through the fades, to the widening of the limb. Remove most of the knot at this stage. Don't touch any wood yet on the other side off the fade at the handle area. See how far the knot goes in on the belly side. This will give you an idea of how much wood you need to keep for a strong fade. As you haven't removed any wood on the clear side of the fade yet, you can easily incrementally take more off until there is no excess. Once again it does mean no deeply cut arrow shelf on this stave.
Follow the flow of the grain even in the handle, and you can steam bend the handle with no worries about cracking the handle, and get the tips to line up with the arrow pass.
Good luck.
Hamish.
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I shouldn't have to steam the handle one limb is straight the other bent to the side so I'm gonna steam the bent limb and try and straighten it and line the tips and handle up as best I can
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Firstly get rid of the idea of having a deeply cut centre shot, arrow pass, a really bad idea with that stave. Its going to need heat correction anyway because of that staves natural tip alignment, so you will be able to tweak the string alignment so it shoots like a centreshot bow.
As for the knot, I would follow the interior curve of the knot from the handle, up through the fades, to the widening of the limb. Remove most of the knot at this stage. Don't touch any wood yet on the other side off the fade at the handle area. See how far the knot goes in on the belly side. This will give you an idea of how much wood you need to keep for a strong fade. As you haven't removed any wood on the clear side of the fade yet, you can easily incrementally take more off until there is no excess. Once again it does mean no deeply cut arrow shelf on this stave.
Follow the flow of the grain even in the handle, and you can steam bend the handle with no worries about cracking the handle, and get the tips to line up with the arrow pass.
Good luck.
Hamish.
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Good luck with the boomerbow ;) ;)
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How long is that stave ?
Pappy
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Do you have enough length to move your handle layout to where the knot would be in the handle instead of the fade? I would center it in the handle if it were mine and had the length to do it.
I was gonna do that but then the bow would only be 60 inchs long
So make one limb 2-3" longer and make the bow asymmetrical... that would give you enough length to make a stiff handled bow to most folks "real" draw length, heck even 28" if ya know what your doing..I've done this plenty of times on layouts due to knots,character spots,etc to give me more length in my bow....its a great tool in the bowyers bag....so many people are adamantly symmetrical builders they'd never even go there,and its a shame they're that way...n tillering an asymmetrical bow is easier than one thinks...plus now your fulcrum is true to center and not above it like a symetrical bows is...plus better balance in the hand...but each has its pros and cons,but don't be like some folks and never try it cus they "think" its wrong,when in fact its not...I do both ways depending on what the stave is telling me and what I can do with it....
Another idea is to move your layout line over to the side and it looks like it would leave out that knot altogether....I know it would be cool to incorporate that into your bow,but if it just won't layout right in your bow,then erase it from the equation when/if you can...
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Is the bow at sideway brace? Lol that's a boomerang.
Not quite a boomerang stave now is it lol amazing what steam can do actually straightened it without clamps to Still got a tad more straightening to do but much better now
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hollow that puppy out a bit and stick a glass eye in it..lol..joking. >:D
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hollow that puppy out a bit and stick a glass eye in it..lol..joking. >:D
Lol perfect Idea O:)