Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: bow101 on September 24, 2013, 12:56:39 am
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Character Hawthorn stave 68". I steamed the natural reflex out of it somewhat about 4 inches, but still has a bit. As you can see from the photo is has a twist to the side, but my concern is when I rouged it out with the draw knife I could not tell which way it was twisting, so I have to align the tips the other way about 30 degrees.
Have the sister stave to this piece which is quite a bit straighter but a few knots.
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that's looking cool, hope it works out!
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Yes i hope it does to. Its basically floor tillered, bending anyway to about 12-14 inches. Longway to go yet.. :o :)
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Im not a pro, expert, or even a bowyer , two bows does not a bowyer make, but i have to ask , is the handle block on the belly or the back of the bow, it looks to me like it is on the bark side , man i could be wrong and mostly likely am , but hellfire if it dont look like that..am i wrong, on drugs,, or both,, lol.?
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Im not a pro, expert, or even a bowyer , two bows does not a bowyer make, but i have to ask , is the handle block on the belly or the back of the bow, it looks to me like it is on the bark side , man i could be wrong and mostly likely am , but hellfire if it dont look like that..am i wrong, on drugs,, or both,, lol.?
Haha!
Looks like it to me too.
If it is and there is a hint of bend it will pop off.
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What's that square lumpy thing you glued on the back of your stave?
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You may be able to get that block back off. But hard to say what the back may look like when your done. Good thing you have her sister waiting in the wings. Its hard to add handle pieces to shallow staves. Generally speaking you don't have enough meat to get a good fade created. That usually results in handle popping. I prefer to make stave bows into what the stave lets me. If its shallow, its a working handle. If its deep, the possibilities are endless.
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You may be able to get that block back off. But hard to say what the back may look like when your done. Good thing you have her sister waiting in the wings. Its hard to add handle pieces to shallow staves. Generally speaking you don't have enough meat to get a good fade created. That usually results in handle popping. I prefer to make stave bows into what the stave lets me. If its shallow, its a working handle. If its deep, the possibilities are endless.
The piece started out as only 4" round. Probably took off to much material, still have quite a bit of material to take off on the mid limb section before i even attempt to start using a short string. It devoloped a couple small cracks after steaming it in the center section so I had no choice but to glue on a handle section.
Im not a pro, expert, or even a bowyer , two bows does not a bowyer make, but i have to ask , is the handle block on the belly or the back of the bow, it looks to me like it is on the bark side , man i could be wrong and mostly likely am , but hellfire if it dont look like that..am i wrong, on drugs,, or both,, lol.?
I is no pro either.....!!! >:D lol...........lol...........lol......
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But its on the back?
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But im still askin ,, is the handle block glued to the back or belly?? Lol
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belly.............ya satisfied........
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Are ya sure???? >:D
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The brown stuff next to the handle looks like cambium layer. What is it? I thought you were trying to do a reversed handle grip. ;D :D :o :laugh:
OneBow
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If it breaks, it breaks, it should be the other way but it just so happened it turned out that way. ;D No biggy.
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Ok was wondering thats all.... :o go for it man !!
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Take that mess to the beltsander and take that block you glued on the back down to less than an 1/8"(preferably 1/16") at the center and taper it to literally a knife edge at the ends....then wrap it at the edges...and keep your bend away from the handle and fades when you tiller it...that way your crack is still covered up and patched and that mess won't come flying off leaving a mess of brown in your pants...and if you need to build the handle up use leather or cork n super glue on the BELLY side....
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IM SO LOST HERE!!!!!!!
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Bowman LOOK at the pics closely..lol it says it all.
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Bowman LOOK at the pics closely..lol it says it all.
i see what you see.
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Take that mess to the beltsander and take that block you glued on the back down to less than an 1/8"(preferably 1/16") at the center and taper it to literally a knife edge at the ends....then wrap it at the edges...and keep your bend away from the handle and fades when you tiller it...that way your crack is still covered up and patched and that mess won't come flying off leaving a mess of brown in your pants...and if you need to build the handle up use leather or cork n super glue on the BELLY side....
Thanks Black, nice to hear some constructive critique any way, rather some body on the other end that plays the Internet ghost attitude......
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i dont mean any disrespect, but i am seriously confused as to why that block is there.
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i dont mean any disrespect, but i am seriously confused as to why that block is there.
Go back to the previous page where I quoted Pearl Drums, that explains it.
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I don't think anyone is playing "internet ghost", you said yourself that it is glued on the belly.
belly.............ya satisfied........
You could also grind off the block as blackhawk suggested and try a takedown with a sleeve, or if you have enough length cut out the damaged area and splice back together for a one piece.
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I don't think anyone is playing "internet ghost", you said yourself that it is glued on the belly.
belly.............ya satisfied........
You could also grind off the block as blackhawk suggested and try a takedown with a sleeve, or if you have enough length cut out the damaged area and splice back together for a one piece.
+1
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Hey let's leave him alone. Let him build one and if it works, it works. I think that bow would look COOL with a takedown sleeve tho...... :o ;D ;D
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bow101, I ask only because i don't know who is who around here yet, but how many bows have you built?
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Bow101, my wife tells me i have no tact,(she says i jave no couth eitherbut thats another thread), now ya know she is correct,, i really wasnt trying to be a jerk but was actually curious , i have said as much that i have built 2 bows,, and am now building 3and4,, i actually thought you knew something i didnt,, that was it buddy ,, thats all,, reread my first post with that thought in mind youll see.
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I take no offence. Have built over 12 bows in the last 20 months. I don;t consider myself a Woodworker just a hack like most of us, although I've been doing woodwork for about 8 years. I come on this site to gain knowledge and tips from the experienced guys like adb, BlackHawk, Pearldrums, Gordon, Pappy and the rest of the guys that build outstanding bows. I could never learn otherwise as I know nobody in real time that does the bowyer thing..! ;)
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hey im right there with ya. I try to stay on the receiving end of advice as i don't consider myself qualified to advise, although i have learned a hell of alot from these guys. in this case though i have to offer some advise.... and that is simply.... listen to these guys, and run do not walk to the nearest power tool and remove that block of wood from the back of the bow! ;) ;D
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hey im right there with ya. I try to stay on the receiving end of advice as i don't consider myself qualified to advise, although i have learned a hell of alot from these guys. in this case though i have to offer some advise.... and that is simply.... listen to these guys, and run do not walk to the nearest power tool and remove that block of wood from the back of the bow! ;) ;D
I don't know where your from but I would keep quiet about using power tools or someone's gonna chew your but out :D :D >:D >:D
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I don't know where your from but I would keep quiet about using power tools or someone's gonna chew your but out :D :D >:D >:D
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oh.... oops O:) good point....... well then run do not walk to the nearest obsidian flake and pry that thing off of there! is that better? ::)
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hey im right there with ya. I try to stay on the receiving end of advice as i don't consider myself qualified to advise, although i have learned a hell of alot from these guys. in this case though i have to offer some advise.... and that is simply.... listen to these guys, and run do not walk to the nearest power tool and remove that block of wood from the back of the bow! ;) ;D
I don't know where your from but I would keep quiet about using power tools or someone's gonna chew your but out :D :D >:D >:D
We will? :o
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hey im right there with ya. I try to stay on the receiving end of advice as i don't consider myself qualified to advise, although i have learned a hell of alot from these guys. in this case though i have to offer some advise.... and that is simply.... listen to these guys, and run do not walk to the nearest power tool and remove that block of wood from the back of the bow! ;) ;D
I don't know where your from but I would keep quiet about using power tools or someone's gonna chew your but out :D :D >:D >:D
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:o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? Fun game ,, whats our objective??
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Power tools are a big part of my bow making tool arsenal. Certainly not the only part, but they're definitely there.
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im pretty sure we all use power tools from time to time. i know this is PRIMITIVE archer but were not cavemen lol
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I don't use any power tools .......... Only because I don't have any lol otherwise I would use them wont even lie
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I'd imagine there would be a lot fewer members here if we didn't have chainsaws and bandsaws ;D
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If I had to chop down a tree using a stone axe it would be well seasoned before it hit the ground.
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I don't really use power tools because you don't really need them for sapling bows, but i'm not closed to them.
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I'm using a power tool right now and so are you if you are reading this. Now back to the stave.
You got your hands full for sure with that one. I have an ash stave presently that's going to need the reflex removed at some point. It has over 6" on one limb and 3" on the other. Some natural reflex I don't mind but not to that degree.
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I watch my good friend from a distance use his chainsaw to drop the bigger stuff. Only ever tried a bandsaw the once and it was way underpowered and i was useless.
Belt or disk sander comes in very handly for tips but i would not use one for tillering as i simply dont have the skill and very little decent wood that I would like to learn on.
So I carry on ruining cartridge and tendon with hand tools. PLus they are quieter so I can still make bows when my little lad goes to sleep ;D
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Love my power tools. ??? ;) :) :) What Black Hawk said would be the way I would go. :) Leather build up on the grip should work just fine.Looking forward to see what you come up with. Challenging stave to say the least,but you learn a lot from them kind of staves and suggest to all that hang around my shop to try them from time to time,it will defiantly make you a better bowyer in the long run,and this is a long run. :) ;) Good luck and keep us posted. :)
Pappy