Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: blackhawk on August 20, 2013, 08:22:24 am
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So I've been in the process of pouring my heart n soul out,and all that I know into a bow the last week and a half...was going thru my second round of shooting in last night,and had another 40 arrows thru it,and was gonna shoot a couple more groups of arrows and call it a bow to be finished n sealed...WHEN I looked it over I noticed a teeny tiny two side by side splinters...the bow in question is a hickory backed osage with a walnut core tri lam...I never heard a tick or nothing(good thing I looked at it then)and the splinters are barely 1/16" wide,and 1/4-1/2" long,and barely raised,and I prob couldn't even get a good clear pic of them with a camera...they are located at mid limb upper limb...I immediately headed back over into the shop with the braced bow and shot em full of super glue and unbraced her down .... normally I would call this thing toast and an inferior piece of wood and burn it,but this ones worth a shot to save...its just too dang good and sexy not too try
Now hears my dilemma...I know my options,but I don't want a "visible" repair...so no wraps...I could rswhide back the the whole thing? Plane it to below the splinters and apply a new backing..ughh? Sinew back the whole thing..ugghh? Or I also have a python and boa skin that is thicker than rawhide but maybe not as tough and offering as much protection? Thinking out loud here..what ya'll think of gluing on a rawhide patch without a wrap and then the snakeskin backing over that to hide it,and maybe that would help keep the patch from wanting to lift off without being "wrapped"? Thoughts...?
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Hmmm... The rawhide patch would likely be visible under the snakeskin; would probably work but I'm thinking you don't want to see the evidence of the patch. How about a super thin veneer of hickory or bamboo glued over the entire back of the existing hickory. Say, maybe .020 thick (or even thinner) if possible? I could make you one and send it to you. If this suits your fancy, let me know how long/wide the bow is? What d-ya think Hawkster?
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Matt I do have room to bevel all four sides of the rawhide patch and would be able to conceal it all under the Python or boa skins,because they are located more in the center and not need the edges...it might be a subtle bump,but I can live with that as majority of folks will never know its there unless I said something...oops..too late..I just said something...lol :laugh: gluing another thin veneer or backing on might be a pain due to my handle oreintation ( reverse handle) and would require maybe a lil more tillering when I don't have much room if any to do so from the belly or from the sides...my backing and core are a hair more than half the limb thickness already at the ends,and I already side tillered to keep enough ossge in my belly and can't take more off cuts I will loose stability if ya know what I mean..unless tiller from the back if it was a hickory veneer,but couldn't if it was boo...thanks for the offer..I'll keep it in mind and let ya all know what I'm gonna do once I decide what to do....and I do have boo on hand
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I use silk wraps for that(I like em even when I dont need em ;) ) but if that aint your thing..I would do a thin strip as Matt said... To much time and love invested to throw it inda fire :)... Brian
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Yeah Brian...that ain't my thing on a lam bow...I don't mind them on a self bow/stave bow that already has some character to it...but not this thing...its way too nice looking for that kinda thing..but thanks for your opinion/input ;)
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Your extra thick python skins will hold a truck back. Id go with skins myself. If you super glue the splinters down, then size the back with TBIII, Id say your bomb proof.
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That would be a pain with a reverse riser anyway im thinkin...you could always thin the back till damage is gone... then give it to a little girl >:D
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That's what I was thinking about the Python n boa skins too pearly...just not 100% of how much actusll protection you get from them...even tho they are thick and really tough....too apply them you have to let em soak for over a half hour just to make them pliable enough to apply..and when thoroughly soaked and wet they are still tough and won't even come close to tearing like a "normal" snakeskin will like d'backs,copperheads,and such
This is a mans bow all the way Brian... ;) no girls getting this one...
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Sorry, im a little ornery inda mornin.. only one cup a coffee in me, lol... Where would i find some of them thicker skins? I got a bow im stopped on. Thinkin it could benifit from somethin like that...
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Just stick to staves boardhawk
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Just stick to staves boardhawk
Winner-winner chicken dinner Pauly!
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I got mine via trade...most folks get them from someone who either owns them as pets when they die,or owners of snakes etc...type deal...lots of snake collectors out there and I'm sure ya could locate them and make a " deal" with them when one dies etc....understand? Or go to Florida and head to the swamps with eddie where they are invasive and taking over,and are a wanted criminal and need removed... :laugh:
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Just stick to staves boardhawk
OK Mr who was shooting two boards glued together at elm hall :laugh:
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Yep, I getcha Hawk.... Paul. You made me shoot coffee out my nose on that one! :laugh:
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What if you talked to Bryce or Keenan and got ahold of some good old west coast sturgeon skins ;D. Those would hold it down, nice and thick and strong.
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Just stick to staves boardhawk
OK Mr who was shooting two boards glued together at elm hall :laugh:
Oh yah! Forgot ALL about that board knocker!
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Just stick to staves boardhawk
OK Mr who was shooting two boards glued together at elm hall :laugh:
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I was hoping your short term memory would kick in. Got me on that one
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I'd super glue it and wrap it with duct tape. Wouldn't look any worse than your other bows do... >:D :laugh:
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You opened the door on this one hawky!
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Maybe I will see one next week while at Eddie's, ;) :)I have used them and they are tough for sure,it will probably hold down a splinter,never quite sure on splinters. ??? seen um where they are held down pretty easy and seen um where nothing will hold them down. :) What you don't want to do is the best almost for sure repair,wrapping it. ;) :) :) :)
Pappy
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Gee thanks Roy... ;D ....yeah pearly I knew I opened the door on this one,and knew Roy was a coming :laugh:
I've seen the same pappy...where nothing will hold em down,and not much will hold em down...this one didn't seem too big of a deal and no where close to being a major splinter...fingers crossed ...and yeah that's my dilemma..I know what's best but im to stubborn about aesthetics to go that route on a lam bow... ::)
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I hear ya, I have taken the same chance before,some you win and some you loose, just have to be ready for either and I am sure you are. :)
Pappy
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Yup...and you better be ready to wrestle some gators n snakes....n make sure Eddie takes pics of ya doing it..cus I wanna see that ;) :laugh:
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;D ;D ;D ;D YEP.
Pappy
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With a chew in tough guy!
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Put some more glue on it chicken hawk, it's all glue anyway.. ;)
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That it is Roy...I got three lams in the limbs...5 (plus the horn tips..6) lams in the tips..and 8 diff lams in the handle :o ...so yeah...its basically all glue anyways...even tho ya can't see it 8)
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Hawk, you aint gettin no love, lol... Ya'll are keepin me entertained this mornin!
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Brian...most of these guys love language is sarcasm ;D ..and I'm the same 8)
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So your stack of yard sticks glued together didn't hold up? I tried to tell you the handle was on the wrong side ;D
Seriously, I hope you are able to fix it. I know how excited you were about this one.
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Well, I've used leather punch-outs made to resemble knots for fixes such as this. Little leathers designs were glued down for fixes also. Use your imagination. Done half a dozen bows this way and none failed due to their fixes. Probably just the super glue is all that's needed. Who knows though. Good luck with it............Art
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I think were allowed to say nipples on here Art ;) ;D ... thanks for the info and images in my head now :laugh:
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Most entertaining thread I've read on here lol >:D
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Maybe tear them splinters out and fill the crack up with silly putty! Then super glue over top and then the duct tape. ;)
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Boa and python skins are unbelivably strong.
I have skinned a few and i use all my weight (200+lbs) and all my strenght to pull the skin off and i have never had one rip from a clean cut edge.
I would trust the snake without the rawhide,but thats me.
Edit: Im talking of snakes atleast 7-8' in lenght,i have a 15'+ burmese skin i wouldnt hesitate to use pulling a truck with!
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Maybe tear them splinters out and fill the crack up with silly putty! Then super glue over top and then the duct tape. ;)
I think I'm gonna go with this advice...that's the best plan /idea I've heard all day...I'm heading to the shop right now to cook up that recipe... ;D
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hi guys haven't been on for a while. been too busy with the bow business. I haven't heard a great fix yet, so i will mention. Did ya know dental floss works well with super glue. wrap the bow and it is transparent. If you like, Python, is the best if you have, for backing as it probably won't change the till.Also will put up with anything.lol I have found natural hides and boo are your best choice for osage, hickory is okay if the stave is near perfect. But Osage will overpower it, if there is an imperfection. this is my findings anyway. Denny
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Don't be stealing the kids silly putty, Dad... :) Buy yer own.. Bring it to the shoot this weekend and I'll fix it for ya son..
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Guess I'll have to take the pieces to show ya....as I took your advice and its now in pieces....I'm suing your @$$... :laugh: I'll bring it if its not being sealed and still alive... ;)
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Glad to see you posting Chris, haven't seen anything from you in a while. I learn something every time. I'm working on a Blackhawk inspired molly right now and got about 75 shots through her but the jury is still out.
Thanks
DBar
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If you use duct tape remember the sticky side goes down and two layers is better than one. Also be careful what finish you use over it as some will destroy the plastic coating.
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I woul try 2" diameter heat shrink tubing. Slide the whole bow in and hit it with yor heat gun. ::)
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I'm pretty sure with the handle on da wrong side if you spin her around and shooter backerds u'll be ok >:D
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You guys are all kinds of help... ::) ..gee thanks :laugh:
Cool bill...can't wait to see it :)
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So anyways, what did ya do with it last night?
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I put a real thin piece of rawhide over it,and letting that dry 24 hours,and I'll put the skins on tonight...then let it sit for at least a few days in a hot box before commencing shooting again
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Looking forward to see the out come, thought you was using silly putty and duct tape. ??? ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
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LMAO, Pappy :)
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That rawhide thinned should work.With those python skins over it.I still think some combed flax[they are very thin angel hair like strands] over it tapered over your super glued small crack would work too with epoxy and even be less noticeable.That python skin will need to be wrapped after applying it with it being so thick.They just don't stay lay down nice for me otherwise.Using that sheet rock seam tape cut 1/2" wide so it can dry quicker.
How many arrows you gonna shoot through it before you call it safe.I've got an issue you know with my winged elm in one fade I'm fixing with double sinew wraps.I expect to shoot at least 500 arrows through that before I really 90% trust it.Them type bows take a while for me to fully trust like 6 months or so & 1000 arrows through it......LOL..
Oh and the rest of you guys who hav'nt seen Chris's bow yet it's a stunner for sure.
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Yeah Ed...its gonna take me a lot more arrows than usual for it to gain my trust back...I'll expend a couple hundred+ over next week,and if alls OK yet I'll put some coats of oil on it to seal it some,and shoot some more before adding more coats to fill the skins...yeah I know I'll need to wrap those skins when gluing em down...I've done em before and they can be stubborn..I use ace bandage wraps...