Primitive Archer

Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 04:57:39 pm

Title: Matched set of six primitive arrows...(way too many pics)
Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 04:57:39 pm
These arrows are 32" in length Apache style although made from bamboo. They are heat straightened with the nodes sanded down. I knapped all the stone points myself from different types of stone. They are hafted with the pitch from Southern Yellow Pine mixed with bees wax and ashes, and wrapped with sinew from a whitetail deer. The fletchings are  Osceola turkey tail feathers tied on with back strap sinew. For the cresting I used a water based natural pigment watercolor that I toned down to give a more authentic look. Nocks are all cut just behind a node for strength. The only non authentic portion of these arrows is the coating of Tru-Oil I sealed them with. I did however rub them down with steel wool to take the shine away. Hope you all enjoy the pics there's a lot of them....but if you're like me you don't mind seein them !
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 04:59:46 pm
another view...
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:01:45 pm
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:04:02 pm
I ground these feathers on my bench belt sander after splitting them. It makes the transition off the shaft much better.
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:05:37 pm
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:07:40 pm
The pine pitch not only adds strength but makes the transition from point to shaft seamless, and allows for better penetration.
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:09:07 pm
Flint River...
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:11:01 pm
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:12:56 pm
Although I'm not a huge fan of knapping coral it sure makes a beautiful hafted point !
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:14:56 pm
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:18:34 pm
Osceola turkey tail feathers, all with the same spin direction.
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:20:02 pm
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 05:21:33 pm
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Post by: burchett.donald on August 07, 2013, 05:51:12 pm
 That's a hell of a lot of work and art and talent dude. Really enjoyed you posting these. Everything looks good. I too hunt with stone tipped arrows and would be proud to carry those in my quiver. Nice...
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Post by: PrimitiveTim on August 07, 2013, 06:00:02 pm
Nice man!  I really like to coral snake pattern.  Those are some venomous arrows you got!
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Post by: mullet on August 07, 2013, 06:01:06 pm
Wow! Those came out great, Buddy. I wish there was going to be time to get them bloody before you leave. And, that was some of the strongest pitch glue I've ever seen.
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Post by: seminolewind on August 07, 2013, 06:10:41 pm
Wow! Those came out great, Buddy. I wish there was going to be time to get them bloody before you leave. And, that was some of the strongest pitch glue I've ever seen.

Yeah really strong stuff but talk about a pain in the A$$ to use ! I eventually came up with the method of dripping it into the grove in the shaft using a lighter and immediately pushing the stone into it. Once the point was seated I added more pitch and smoothed it down with a really hot knife !
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Post by: Scottski on August 07, 2013, 06:28:32 pm
Very nice arrows!!!!
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Post by: Ed Brooks on August 07, 2013, 07:02:07 pm
Great looking arrows... Ed
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Post by: Trapper Rob on August 07, 2013, 09:16:06 pm
Those are so nice just can't find the right words.
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Post by: Badly Bent on August 07, 2013, 11:32:44 pm
I like those a lot, very nice arrows and points.
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Post by: Pat B on August 07, 2013, 11:44:56 pm
Very nice and very effective looking arrows. Thanks for posting all those pics. The detail makes it easy for the new guys to see how a head should be made and mounted and how to align and attach fletching. Well done!!!   8)
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Post by: lesken2011 on August 08, 2013, 12:00:56 am
That is one sweet batch of arrows and points!! :P
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Post by: Hillbilly on August 08, 2013, 10:23:59 am
Very attractive and effective- looking set of arrows and points. That Flint River point looks like it already has blood on it.
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Post by: seminolewind on August 08, 2013, 11:22:56 am
Thanks for all the kind words and support guys I appreciate it!
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Post by: twisted hickory on August 08, 2013, 03:32:00 pm
Those are  :o :) Goal for this winter is to make half dozen like that. Simple and very beautiful. Deer will be chasing you to be shot by one of those ;)
Nice work, What do points that size weigh btw?
Greg
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Post by: Marks on August 08, 2013, 03:45:06 pm
First off, those are beautiful.

I have 2 questions
1. What is the purpose of that longer tag on the front of you feathers? I assume it doesn't vibrate but it looks like it would.

2. Which one is going in the bow first??  ;)
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Post by: seminolewind on August 08, 2013, 06:08:48 pm
First off, those are beautiful.

I have 2 questions
1. What is the purpose of that longer tag on the front of you feathers? I assume it doesn't vibrate but it looks like it would.

2. Which one is going in the bow first??  ;)
I really dont think the little tags on the fronts of the feathers serve any purpose other than looking cool. Like they say in the military looking cool is half the battle ! 8)
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Post by: seminolewind on August 08, 2013, 06:13:05 pm
Those are  :o :) Goal for this winter is to make half dozen like that. Simple and very beautiful. Deer will be chasing you to be shot by one of those ;)
Nice work, What do points that size weigh btw?
Greg

I wish I could give you a grain weight but since I dont have a scale I cant tell ya. what I can say is that when these arrows were complete they weighed suprisingly little. When I was first making these arrowheads I thought they would be too big however now that I see them hafted on the arrows I dont think I would hunt with any much smaller. I already have a very long draw length so naturally these arrows are long as well, I am hoping my bow-in-progress hits 65# to really sling these babies !
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Post by: seminolewind on August 08, 2013, 06:17:22 pm
Those are so nice just can't find the right words.
Hey thanks for the sinew man you have the best !
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Post by: CherokeeKC on August 08, 2013, 10:29:03 pm
Great set of arrows! 
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Post by: twisted hickory on August 09, 2013, 10:06:35 am
Those are  :o :) Goal for this winter is to make half dozen like that. Simple and very beautiful. Deer will be chasing you to be shot by one of those ;)
Nice work, What do points that size weigh btw?
Greg

I wish I could give you a grain weight but since I dont have a scale I cant tell ya. what I can say is that when these arrows were complete they weighed suprisingly little. When I was first making these arrowheads I thought they would be too big however now that I see them hafted on the arrows I dont think I would hunt with any much smaller. I already have a very long draw length so naturally these arrows are long as well, I am hoping my bow-in-progress hits 65# to really sling these babies !
Bummer on the weight. I want to build a set w stone points after I get the better basics of knapping figured out. I like that style of point. It would be perfect if they weigh around 160 grains. Those will cut a big hole for sure. I would be suprised if you didn't get a pass thru w a 60-65 lb bow. I too am working on my this years hunting bow I tillered it out to 62 lbs at 27in then heat treated it, can't wait to get her done ;)
Nice set of arras
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Post by: seminolewind on August 09, 2013, 11:51:15 am
Based on some .270 bullets I have that weight 160 grains, these points are a good bit lighter. Ill be tillering my bow today and will keep yall informed how shes lookin !
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Post by: stickbender on August 09, 2013, 05:25:12 pm
Based on some .270 bullets I have that weight 160 grains, these points are a good bit lighter. Ill be tillering my bow today and will keep yall informed how shes lookin !

     Wow! :o  Those are fantastic! 8)  I too like the coral snake pattern. ;) 8)  But  are you sure the .270 bullet weighs 160 grains?  Is this a new bullet weight for the .270?  I thought the highest weight was 150.  At any rate, those are really nice arrows, lots of work, and talent. ;) 8)  I am getting a little better on my flaking now, but still a poor excuse of a knapper. :(  Will get into it more once I get my house sold, and back out to Montana.  No problem on the number of photos, was looking more in fact. ;) :)

                                                                   Wayne
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Post by: seminolewind on August 09, 2013, 07:01:58 pm
Awesome ! what part of Montana are you moving to. I spent a lot of time there as a kid...Love that state ! Lots of Jasper up there if I remember correctly.
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Post by: twisted hickory on August 10, 2013, 06:18:05 pm
Based on some .270 bullets I have that weight 160 grains, these points are a good bit lighter. Ill be tillering my bow today and will keep yall informed how shes lookin !

As thick as the first few points are that I have made outta glass I will have no trouble getting 160 grains out of a head that size ;D
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Post by: seminolewind on August 10, 2013, 08:14:01 pm
Hahah !
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Post by: bow101 on August 10, 2013, 08:56:19 pm
Very sweet job ya did there    8)
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Post by: stickbender on August 10, 2013, 10:49:23 pm

Seminolewind, I have a home in Thompson Falls.  It is about two hours from Missoula, find Couer d' alene, and angle down to the right, and there is Thompson Falls.  About two hours from Libby, and the same from Sand Point Idaho.  Supposed to be some black jade in the area, but have never seen any, or know of anyone who has.  I have to go back to Oregon, and visit with Emory coons, and his Dad Cecil, and make a trip to Glass Buttes.  Again, those are really nice arrows.  I can't make pretty arrowheads, I can make functional ones though.  I don't the animals really care how it looks. ;)  Where about in Montana were you ramblin?  I have Relatives in Billings, and some Friends in Townsend.

                                                                Wayne
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Post by: richardzane on August 12, 2013, 02:51:53 pm
these are outstanding!
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Post by: Ryan_Gill_HuntPrimitive on August 12, 2013, 09:29:04 pm
Beautiful looking arrows ;D    I love them!
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Post by: Tom Leemans on August 13, 2013, 05:19:35 pm
I was not aware that there's such a thing as too many primitive arrow pics! ;)
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Post by: Sparrow on August 14, 2013, 03:03:06 pm
Not too many Pic's !...Really nice looking work. Thank you for sharing it  '  Frank
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Post by: Youngboyer2(billyf) on August 16, 2013, 12:27:40 pm
Man those are sweet!
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Post by: crooketarrow on August 18, 2013, 11:00:45 am
  SWEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
  I use bee's wax as a natural sealent. Those are nice points but I knap mine with out the barbs. Makes it alot easyer to pull out the arrow when practiceing. Plus like this your pointswon't losen from the shaft when pulling them from the target. Plus there's not many states that alows you to hunt with barbed points.
  Indains did try for pass throughs. They mainly shot light bows, those barbed points were made like that so the arrow would'nt fall out.