Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: BowSlayer on July 04, 2013, 05:21:24 am
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Hello everyone. I'm working on a project but don't want to say anything incase I can't deliver. But what I will say is that it is me practiceing my woodwork and bushcraft skills. This will be my biggest project yet. So until I upload pictures (probably tonight) it will remain a secret ;)
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Tease! >:(
Wayne
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Alright. Ill give ya guys a clue. ATM Im steam bending a 2 meter piece of pine with 10" of reflex and also cutting lots of 24" long 1/8" thick laminates of pine. And im not making a bow. Can anyone guess? I'll have pics later
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With you, nope, their's no telling. :o :-\ ???
Pappy
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Are you making a racing buggy for your pet unicorn? Or maybe a giant crossbow to kill the fire breathing dragon that lives in the forest behind your house?
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;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D made me spit my coffee. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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ok here are the pics, the first pics show my steaming setup for steaming the 2 meter length of Pine, feel free to steal it for steaming staves ;D
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o799/Jez_Walsh/20130705_103217_zps8112849d.jpg~original) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Jez_Walsh/media/20130705_103217_zps8112849d.jpg.html)
here is the wood inside the pipe that im using to steam it.
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o799/Jez_Walsh/20130705_103224_zps6a969c55.jpg~original) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Jez_Walsh/media/20130705_103224_zps6a969c55.jpg.html)
the pipe is held in my old work-bench and supported at the angle by a scrap piece of pine
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o799/Jez_Walsh/20130705_103230_zps544180a8.jpg~original) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Jez_Walsh/media/20130705_103230_zps544180a8.jpg.html)
the other end of the pipe is in an empty BBQ full of water. then i put tin foil over it which directed the steam into the pipe :D
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o799/Jez_Walsh/20130705_103411_zpsba87cd95.jpg~original) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Jez_Walsh/media/20130705_103411_zpsba87cd95.jpg.html)
there is coal under it to heat it up
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o799/Jez_Walsh/20130705_115200_zps62261c0c.jpg~original) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Jez_Walsh/media/20130705_115200_zps62261c0c.jpg.html)
after 2 hours i took it out and put it along two logs. then i placed paving slabs on top of it to give it some bend.
that is the main piece then i got out my tablesaw and started cutting thin strips of pine. more difficult than it sounds.
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o799/Jez_Walsh/20130705_125118_zps3d85e148.jpg~original) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Jez_Walsh/media/20130705_125118_zps3d85e148.jpg.html)
here are all the thin strips.
would love to hear some guesses as to what you think it is >:D after the next 2 seps it's going to be pretty obvious.
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Well since pine won't even make a decent rocking chair !
I don't know !
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I don't have a clue what you are making either. But I do like your steaming setup. What is your steaming pipe made of? It looks like copper, but from the barbs on the end were it was cut, it looks more like some kind of plastic material.
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Your building a live trap to catch that wild imaginary fox that bit your arm and caused you to get imaginary stitches a few months ago:)
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I don't have a clue what you are making either. But I do like your steaming setup. What is your steaming pipe made of? It looks like copper, but from the barbs on the end were it was cut, it looks more like some kind of plastic material.
thanks, it's just plain regular pipe that's used for drains.
Your building a live trap to catch that wild imaginary fox that bit your arm and caused you to get imaginary stitches a few months ago:)
nope not a trap, intresting idea though.
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a fox rotisserie!!!
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not quite, keep guessing. ill upload more pics on monday-tuesday as i need to wait for the wood to dry out a bit before i take the weights off. so till then keep bouncing ideas round.
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A pine-o-saurus warbow!
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A pine-o-saurus warbow!
Nope. Ok here is anothether clue, the long pice I was bending dried quicker than I expected. (Must be the heat) I went ahed and scut it in half on the tablle saw lengthwise down the middle. Here is another pic to show what I mean. Keep guessing.
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o799/Jez_Walsh/20130705_171848_zps0f89b0ed.jpg~original) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/Jez_Walsh/media/20130705_171848_zps0f89b0ed.jpg.html)
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Man! Do your Parents supervise your activities? Heck, do you have Parents?
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Is it skis?
I think it's skis.
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Lol yeah I do have parents. Very understanding parents at that. :laugh: they will let me do anything so long as I pay for it and im not directly hurting anyone. They trust me to do things safety, there only rule is that I only use the circular saw when someone is in the house. :D
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Is it skis?
I think it's skis.
Not skis but that would make a good project after this one if tgis one even works
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A boat of some sort.
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A boat of some sort.
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WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: congrats my friend you have guessed it right! your prize is a lifetime supply of FREE oxygen! :P lol
yes everyone im attemting to make a canoe/kayak. and here is the best bit... im doing it with a budget of only.......£/$ 25! yes it's very low budget and that is why im making it from pine. the thin strips are going to be the "ribs" and the two long pieces will be joined at the ends to make a type of leaf shape. im following a two part video on youtube but im making it smaller and from a diffrent material.
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Very cool hope it works out for ya. I want to make a dug out canoe one of these days
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I suggest you buy and wear a life vest then if your making it... ;D ;)
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Very cool hope it works out for ya. I want to make a dug out canoe one of these days
so did i, i had a tree fall over near me (20" diamitre) that i thought i could use for bow staves but was to big. then i thought of a dugout canoe after seeing it in an episode of ray mears survival or something like that. next day wen't down the road with my saw and a freind with a van only to see that the council had taken it >:(
I suggest you buy and wear a life vest then if your making it... ;D ;)
definatley. ill keep posting pics along the way ;)
has anyone noticed that the entire peice of pine had no knots! the boat gods were watching upon me when i found it lying right near the top
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Be sure to paint it yellow - remember the Beatles song "Yellow Submarine" ?
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Be sure to paint it yellow - remember the Beatles song "Yellow Submarine" ?
I have a better idea, send me some osage to make a boat. >:D Then I won't need to paint it yellow :P :laugh:
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ok so when i left you guys i had cut the main frame thingy in half here is how today wen't, i got quite alot done and it looks more like a boat than skis/ ;D
ok so at each end i cut angles to make it join. i used C-clamps to hold it while i made sure they lined up
(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t614/bowslayerjez/20130706_115412_zps3bfa7f7d.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/bowslayerjez/media/20130706_115412_zps3bfa7f7d.jpg.html)
before i go any further, 3 days ago all i knew about boats is that they go in water. now im making one after only doing 5 hours of making planning and watching 10 hours of youtube videos on the subject (also how i study for exams) the reason i did it like that is because I mostly learn by watching and acctualy doing not by reading pages and pages of writing.
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right, back on topic, i cut the joints into both ends and held with clamps. here is a look down the frame.
(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t614/bowslayerjez/20130706_122650_zps0c8cae55.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/bowslayerjez/media/20130706_122650_zps0c8cae55.jpg.html)
i then used hot glue to secure the joint, i know hot glue is weak but it was all i had, i then drilled some holes and put some square pegs i made into the round holes.
(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t614/bowslayerjez/20130706_122703_zps44c68ee8.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/bowslayerjez/media/20130706_122703_zps44c68ee8.jpg.html)
i know it's not very clear in the picture but it shows the peg going through the hole.
then, to spread it out i used my circular saw to cut a piece of hardwood flooring 19" long and then i spread it out, i then drilled into the side of the frame and into the bar going across. this scared me as the PINE was under about 40# of pressure and drilling into it made me feel like i was violating a ring on a stave :-\ but it's holding up :laugh: :o :)
(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t614/bowslayerjez/20130706_125924_zps40177bae.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/bowslayerjez/media/20130706_125924_zps40177bae.jpg.html)
now then, knowing the joint i made with hot glue and "dowels" was weak i got some MDF (medium density fiberboard) and traced the shape of the joint onto the board. and used my circular saw to cut it out, i then done then drilled holes and used more pegs to hold it in, thinking about it now i should probably glue them in to :o because it's so ugly i might paint it white and then put a picture of something on it. acctualy lets hear some ideas of a picture you would put on the boat :laugh:
ok then, the plan for tommorow is to bend some "recurves" into a bit of pine to make the bottom of the boat. thanks for reading.
because my old account was full i made a new account and uploaded the pics from there.
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you need to fix the photos i cant see anything!
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you need to fix the photos i cant see anything!
im running out of storage space, im deleting some old pictures. try clicking on it, it will take you to my photobucket page and you can see it there. thanks
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Very good Sir, an excellent start on the joys of aquatic transport into the creeks,bays, and marshes, of Goode Ole England! ;) 8) Are you going to cover it with canvas, or strips? Fiberglass cloth, and fiber glass resin? Pray tell, just what method are you going encapsulate your water craft with? Whilst making the water craft, have you thought of what style paddles? OK, OK, what'cha gonna cover the frame with? :D OOOOh, have SquirrelSlinger send you some shark skin, and you can use the dorsal fin for planes, and stabilization, or as a keel, or rudder...... ;D ;D ;D 8) 8), OK, sorry about that, but woldn't that be a conversation piece at the Yacht club! :o ;) ::) ::) ;D
Looking good so far, keep us updated with your progress. Thanks.
Wayne
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Very good Sir, an excellent start on the joys of afor paddles im not sure. But ill cross that bridge when I get to it. tic transport into the creeks,bays, and marshes, of Goode Ole England! ;) 8) Are you going to cover it with canvas, or strips? Fiberglass cloth, and fiber glass resin? Pray tell, just what method are you going encapsulate your water craft with? Whilst making the water craft, have you thought of what style paddles? OK, OK, what'cha gonna cover the frame with? :D OOOOh, have SquirrelSlinger send you some shark skin, and you can use the dorsal fin for planes, and stabilization, or as a keel, or rudder...... ;D ;D ;D 8) 8), OK, sorry about that, but woldn't that be a conversation piece at the Yacht club! :o ;) ::) ::) ;D
Looking good so far, keep us updated with your progress. Thanks.
Wayne
Lol. Thanks. Im planning to cover it in wooden strips. If that doesn't work ill use some plastic sheeting like the skin on canoes. as f
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you need to fix the photos i cant see anything!
fixed! ;)
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I don't know if you have it over there, but here there is a company called West Marine, and they specialize in all things maritime, and such. They have a product called "The West system". It is basically a high tech epoxy, or resin. It is used on just everything you would use fiber glass on, but it is perfect for strip builds. ;)
Wayne
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I don't know if you have it over there, but here there is a company called West Marine, and they specialize in all things maritime, and such. They have a product called "The West system". It is basically a high tech epoxy, or resin. It is used on just everything you would use fiber glass on, but it is perfect for strip builds. ;)
Wayne
I don't know. But I'll Google it. I have a container of resin in the garage. Would that work? Have you ever made a boat? Thanks :laugh:
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Here is a boat I built some 25 years ago. The canvas needs to be reapplied.
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It was called a durham boat. The bulk heads are built first and jigged up and runners screw to them. Be sure to lift the nose and tail a couple of inches or it will hog on you once removed from frame. Good luck!
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that boat looks great. i just some more wood so should be doing some work to it soon. it was too hot today so i didn't get much done :embarassed: thanks. ;D
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ok so it is still boiling hot here in the UK so im going to call it a day. but i managed to make the ends of the boat "stems" that atatch to the "spine" (i call it the spine because i can't remember what it's called and it's what attatches to the ribs) i have some wood to use for the spine which ill work on tommorow. i also need to find some glue to hold it together as the joint is looking a little weak :-\ i guess thats what happens when you use hot glue :o ;D :laugh:
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Is that MDF you are using? The real heavy stuff that is made of press paper. The stuff that swells up when it gets wet. If so, I would not use that on any boat or on any area that is likely to get wet. If using for just forms, that is ok, but if you are planning for that stuff to be in the finished boat, I would recommend against. Although I would also recommend against ply (unless marine), it would work far better for you than using MDF. My 2 cents.
Russ
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When you get done you can take it across the channel and invade France, I'm sure they won't put up much of a fight.
Grady
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Haha. Maybe I could introduce them to roast fox >:D they already eat frog legs and snails :laugh:
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I wouldn't recommend using pressed cardboard or MDf what ever you wanna call it as soon as it gets wet it will fall apart
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We need to start a poll here. Vote 1 if it will float and 2 if it will sink. :) ;)
I say 2...
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I'll vote - 22222222222222222222222222222222222
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Would be the keel, you're thinking of? Yeah, if you can, use regular wood, and seal it. If all you have is the MDF, then seal it also, with a good acrylic, or epoxy. ;) I will vote # 1, because he has spirit, and is adventurous! ;) And I am sure he has a life vest. ;) Now just think, if you had all the money you have spent on this boat, you could take your Girlfriend, to a nice little Pub, and have a steak and kidney pie, and a pint each, while enjoying a nice quiet conversation, unless there is a soccer game on the telly. ::) Or you could buy more beer, and cook her parents the rest of the fox. ;) ;D
But I do believe it will float. ........ for awhile at least. ::) Seal it well, sailor, seal it well! And beware of the Great Whites that frequent the channel!
Wayne
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Would be the keel, you're thinking of? Yeah, if you can, use regular wood, and seal it. If all you have is the MDF, then seal it also, with a good acrylic, or epoxy. ;) I will vote # 1, because he has spirit, and is adventurous! ;) And I am sure he has a life vest. ;) Now just think, if you had all the money you have spent on this boat, you could take your Girlfriend, to a nice little Pub, and have a steak and kidney pie, and a pint each, while enjoying a nice quiet conversation, unless there is a soccer game on the telly. ::) Or you could buy more beer, and cook her parents the rest of the fox. ;) ;D
But I do believe it will float. ........ for awhile at least. ::) Seal it well, sailor, seal it well! And beware of the Great Whites that frequent the channel!
Wayne
Lol. Thanks for believeing in me and the project. Madcrow sent me a link to a website with plans for a 14' canoe which I will give a try after this project
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hey everyone, im thinking of making a place on the boat to hold a bow so if for example you set up targets around a small lake you can sit in the boat and shoot from the water. what do you think of this idea?
i decided to include the MDFand fitted them to the frame, only because it won't be getting wet and im going to seal it up with varnish anyway. i then added the spine to it. im now in the proces of gluing and nailing on the ribs.
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im going to go add some more ribs, then start making the strips for the outside of the canoe.
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You might want to make the bottom a bit more flat, or at leas angled to the sides, otherwise, it will be just a wee bit too tippy! ;) ::) It will roll over in a blink of an eye! ;) Just think of log rolling, or trying to paddle while straddling a fifty five gallon barrel! :o ;) ;D ;D But looking pretty cool so far. I still vote #1. 8)
Wayne
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Yes that thought crossed my mind so I spent an hour last night trying to think of a solution. I just happened to be watching an episode of ray meres and he was with a tribe making a dugout canoe. Then to make it more stable they attached an outrigger. Then I thought that's what ill do! Its so frustrating. All the ribs keep breaking. In going to use more pine instead
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Is it just me or does it look awfully small for a boat.
Grady
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Is it just me or does it look awfully small for a boat.
Grady
hehe, yeah now imagine Bowslayer trying to stand up in it and shoot a bow. I think it is meant as a scaled down trial build.
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Is it just me or does it look awfully small for a boat.
Grady
I believe he said it was a kayak not a boat
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A boat of some sort.
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WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: congrats my friend you have guessed it right! your prize is a lifetime supply of FREE oxygen! :P lol
yes everyone im attemting to make a canoe/kayak. and here is the best bit... im doing it with a budget of only.......£/$ 25! yes it's very low budget and that is why im making it from pine. the thin strips are going to be the "ribs" and the two long pieces will be joined at the ends to make a type of leaf shape. im following a two part video on youtube but im making it smaller and from a diffrent material.
There you go. It a canoe/kayak but smaller and with weaker materials ;) ;D.
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Is it just me or does it look awfully small for a boat.
Grady
I believe he said it was a kayak not a boat
Yes it is a kayak. But it is also a bit on the small side. I noticed this as soon as I made the frame. So I decided that if I don't fit in it ill make a bigger 10' long one and use this one as a practice. So far this project has cost me under £/$ 15 as I get my materials from a where house that sell in bulk. I can get a 2.1 meter board for around £/$ 1. Also when I was talking about shooting from the boat I meant from a sitting position. I'll upload more pictures when I finish the ribs. ( great now im hungry and want pork ribs) :P
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One of the most successful and beloved canoe designs is a 10.5 foot open canoe called the Wee Lassie (happens to be the first canoe I built) - - so size alone is not the best way to judge. What kind of water he intends to paddle is a more important question, in my mind. All that aside, when using bent ply ribs and other assorted MDF bits and pieces, I would make sure you will be using a good life jacket when you paddle.
Seriously - - with all the work you will put into the boat (at least twice what you expect in advance) - you really should use some materials that have at least a chance at surviving the elements you intend to use the boat in. MDF, with all the varnish and epoxy (expensive) in the world, will not stand up to a wet environment at all. You would be better off using exterior grade ply, although not so pretty.
I am not one to harp on people for not taking my advice - - I just would hate to see you put so much work into a boat and only be able to paddle it once because it fell apart, solely because you used materials not suited to a wet environment (to say nothing about an under water one).
Good Luck and I will be watching how it goes for you.
Russ
PS - - I just thought about it - - you should google "the 6 hour canoe" or the "one sheet ply canoe" or "the lumberyard skiff" and see what you see. I expect you will find a lot to keep you interested.
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One of the most successful and beloved canoe designs is a 10.5 foot open canoe called the Wee Lassie (happens to be the first canoe I built) - - so size alone is not the best way to judge. What kind of water he intends to paddle is a more important question, in my mind. All that aside, when using bent ply ribs and other assorted MDF bits and pieces, I would make sure you will be using a good life jacket when you paddle.
Seriously - - with all the work you will put into the boat (at least twice what you expect in advance) - you really should use some materials that have at least a chance at surviving the elements you intend to use the boat in. MDF, with all the varnish and epoxy (expensive) in the world, will not stand up to a wet environment at all. You would be better off using exterior grade ply, although not so pretty.
I am not one to harp on people for not taking my advice - - I just would hate to see you put so much work into a boat and only be able to paddle it once because it fell apart, solely because you used materials not suited to a wet environment (to say nothing about an under water one).
Good Luck and I will be watching how it goes for you.
Russ
PS - - I just thought about it - - you should google "the 6 hour canoe" or the "one sheet ply canoe" or "the lumberyard skiff" and see what you see. I expect you will find a lot to keep you interested.
thank's for the advice, thinking about it now i might keep this out of the water and keep it in the frame stage (with ribs)use it as a wall hanger in the workshop and scale it up for a boat big enough for me and made from the right materials. it will work out cheaper. im also going to google thoose. thanks
P.s wish me luck everyone as im going job hunting tommorow to find a summer job to fund this latest hoby (and my bows)
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Good wishes on the way! ;) 8)
Wayne
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Thanks Wayne
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im gonna put a stop to this boat for now and start a bigger one. i have 2 boards of pine 7' long that im going to use as a frame. im making them 1 1/2" wide by 1/2" thick and 7' long. that should make a good sized kayak IMO ill get started on it later today.
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I think that'll still be too short. Get a couple extra boards and do a scarf joint to make them longer.
Have you ever kayaked before? A short kayak is not really fun for a beginner to paddle. They don't track as well as one even a few feet longer. If I was you I'd shoot for 10 feet minimum, but preferably 14.
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I think that'll still be too short. Get a couple extra boards and do a scarf joint to make them longer.
Have you ever kayaked before? A short kayak is not really fun for a beginner to paddle. They don't track as well as one even a few feet longer. If I was you I'd shoot for 10 feet minimum, but preferably 14.
Yes. Ive been kayaking before. And canoeing. ;D