Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: steven.nance on June 24, 2013, 04:06:16 am
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This bow started as a tree in my front yard. I had trouble distinguishing between tree types (and still do, actually; part of the reason I'm here is to improve my woodsmanship). The only real criteria in choosing lay with it's diameter and straightness. Silly as it is, I basically just hoped the wood would be sufficient.
All the work was done with a tomahawk, a field knife, and a wood rasp. That includes chopping the tree and shaping. I definitely want to get some proper tools for the next one. I'm thinking a draw knife would be the most important one to buy; I'd love a bench with a vice, too. Any guidance in this regard would be awesome.
The bow broke while tillering. I never got to string it up. It looks like there was a bit of rotting in the belly, right where the limb snapped. To be honest, I don't think it would have made a difference as it was a pretty soft wood. Somebody told me it looked like poplar. I learned a lot and can't wait to get started on the next one, albeit with more understanding of my materials and better tools. Any suggestions or criticisms are totally welcome. Appreciated, in fact.
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Looks a lot better then my first. On my first I didn't even know about the need to have one growth ring on the back I remember I just chopped straight threw the back lol mine exploded to haha But yours doesn't look to bad at all
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Thanks, bud.
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It does actually look quite good. On my first few, I dod not dare to make the outer limbs as thin as they should be. and I see this on your bow too. That way, there is a small bending area after the fades in the inner limb, and then they're stiff again. Add some rot to that small area that has to take all the bend, and a break may happen.
For the next one, get some wood from an identified brush or tree. There's a lot of usable woods. As far as tools are concerned, get a good rasp, that will nicely step in when you lay down the tomahawk and won't require a vice either. That should do.
Good luck.
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Great tips! Thanks, Jodocus. I can definitely see what you mean about the outer limbs. I didn't even realize.
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Like Joducus said, it appears that most of your bending was in a short area just outside of the handle. You want to get the entire limb to work, except for maybe the last 3-4 inches at the tips. It does appear like it may be poplar which Ryoon will tell you, can make a bow. Poplar does have that coloring which maybe you're thinking was wood rot. Having broken straight across can indicate dry rot, however. Hard to say from the pics. Why was the tree cut? Was it standing dead? You want to start with a live tree, cut, split and let season for a year or so.
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Your front profile taper looks good. Your belly profile taper does not. See how your tips are way too heavy? Next time, try to evenly taper both profiles.
Even tapers make even bends.
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The bow looks pretty short,am guessing 60" or so?maybe go a bit longer as they are more forgiving.
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looks alot better than my first.
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It was a living tree; I cut it specifically for the bow. I didn't know anything about seasoning, though. I gave it about three days. I've still got half a log with the bark still on. I think I'll let it season and try again. Maybe by then I'll have developed enough skill to work with poplar.
The bow was too short, good call. I made some mistakes in the initial shaping process and had to cut it down shorter than I expected.
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Who cares what kind of wood it is...whatever it is it was junk...if it broke like that still being green wet wood and before you even got a string on it....that tells me its junk...even if your design was wrong and your a novice....learn how to identify trees and go cut some hickory or elm saplings to learn on and torture as you have plenty of that around you....I wouldn't even think of wasting my time with the other half IMHO. N do some searching on how to properly dry them out to proper moisture content...don't bend wet wood PERIOD. <------ that's a big period if ya didn't notice ;)
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Looks like you put a lot of work into the handle.I rough out the handle,tiller and shot it a bit before any extensive finishing work.might save you some frustration,just saying.
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I would say the most important tools for me, are:
- farriers rasp, you can get one at tractor supply co. for 40 dollars,
- cabinet scrapper + burnisher, and of course stuff to sharpen the scrapper after every bow,
- my mirror that I look at my bows while tillering, ;D
I don't even use a draw knife. Instead to shape the bow roughly I use very sharp butcher knife, and then move to my farriers rasp. My farriers rasp is essential, I couldn't do jack without it.
EDIT: Also, looks a bit like hackberry to me, but I could be wrong.
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if that wood was only season 3 days I cannot imagine how it broke clean like that. I do not care what kind of wood it was, nothing should break like that except dead wood
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Good to know.
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Yep, that's why I asked the question of whether it was dead. Shouldnta broke, if it was living and just cut. Discard the rest, and start with another tree like the others suggested.
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Hahaha I did the same thing with my first one. I was too worried about getting the limbs too thin and stressed the limb too much and popped a splinter. The first one you break you learn a lot. Your next one will be much better!
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Jeez. In retrospect, I should've been able to tell it was dead when I cut it. This was the first tree I've ever cut. I feel like an idiot.
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Ok, lotta lessons learned, so you are waaaaaay ahead of where you were a week ago! That's great! You have learned that you can shape something out to look like a bow and turn out a pretty respectable looking handle.
Now we just need to get your next bow to this stage so you can learn the tillering craft. If you knew just how many of us bust bows on a regular basis after learning all we have learned, you'd feel pretty good about yourself right now!
Now grab a beaver, load him up with espresso and Red Bull and go gnaw down your next victim, I mean tree! You'll have a bow soon, now. ;D
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Don't. 20 years ago a guy could of done the same thing, broke the bow, and not known why. Gone back out and repeated the same mistake again. Today, our screw ups are on the internet for all the world to laugh at, but the learning curve is not nearly as flat. Go find a good living piece of Elm or Hackberry and try her again. Oh and leave the Osage alone should you find any. Pitiful stuff dead or alive. Send me a pm if you run across any and I will get shed of it for you. Pitiful stuff.
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Took me awhile too. Keep at it.
I leave handles for after full draw. There's info on my site. Jawge
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/index.html