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Title: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: seminolewind on May 20, 2013, 05:23:33 pm

Here is some of my knapping done over the last few weeks. The point on the bottom is just under 2" in length. I found in near Canyon De Chelly in northern AZ when I was a teenager. It was laying directly below a cliff dwelling in the middle of nowhere. It appears the sides of the base have been ground, and there is no fluting. As you can see there is some pretty detailed serrations still on it. Anybody have any idea what kind of point this could be, and who made it ?

Thanks !

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: xin on May 20, 2013, 05:30:34 pm

Serrated Scottsbluff?

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: JackCrafty on May 21, 2013, 02:22:32 am

Because it was found in Northern Arizona, and also because of the serrations,  I would say Bajada point.  It's a Late Archaic atlatl dart point about 5000 to 6000 years old.  It looks to be in perfect condition.  A collector might pay $150 for it.

It's not a "paleo" point because the base is relatively narrow and slightly contracting.  Earlier versions of this point are called "Escobas" and the bases were ground well into Archaic times.  It also looks fairly thin, a characteristic of Late Archaic points of this design.

Bajada points were most likely made by ancestors of the Anasazi (Archaic - Basketmaker Era) while they were still primarily deer, antelope, and bighorn sheep hunters, long before the "Pueblo" peoples and before the Navaho moved in.



Edit:  Looks like it also has characteristics of San Jose points as well.  Hybrids of these types are possible.

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: JackCrafty on May 21, 2013, 02:34:13 am

Excellent work on the points, by the way.  :)

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Bone pile on May 21, 2013, 08:10:19 am

nice points SW you make some killer points.Hope my river knapping demo made sense.Had a blast 
Bone

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: iowabow on May 21, 2013, 09:21:21 am

Those points look great nice form and color.

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Parnell on May 21, 2013, 09:23:30 am

Wow, those are nice Elijah.

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: seminolewind on May 21, 2013, 11:41:19 am

Thanks a lot Jackrafty I appreciate the help. I will have to look into the two styles you described and research it some more. When I fiirst saw it I was thinking Dalton but the base just didnt seem right. Maybe one day I will find a point considered paleo !

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: seminolewind on May 21, 2013, 11:50:17 am

Quote from: Bone pile on May 21, 2013, 08:10:19 am

nice points SW you make some killer points.Hope my river knapping demo made sense.Had a blast 
Bone

Thanks BP I appreciate it. Parnell thanks for the Hickory Ipe blanks I will glue them up as soon as I get a form built. The point below I made from that "ledge" we found. For raw uncooked rock it knapps well although a little tough for pressure, you really gotta put some weight into it ! Sure makes for a nice sharp point and I like the color !

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Parnell on May 21, 2013, 11:58:34 am

Holy Cow, you think that thing'll do the job? ::)  Nice.

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Parnell on May 21, 2013, 12:07:17 pm

Also, your more than welcome on the blanks.  Thanks for buying me lunch.  That was the first thing I'd eaten on Saturday, which was stupid of me.  I pulled off on my way home and figured I'd better snooze for awhile. ;D

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Trapper Rob on May 21, 2013, 02:19:07 pm

Nice points

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Pappy on May 22, 2013, 08:55:08 am

Beautiful work.Love them all. :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Bone pile on May 22, 2013, 08:57:24 am

Nice ledge point,I started banging on some last night

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: seminolewind on May 22, 2013, 12:33:07 pm

Quote from: Bone pile on May 22, 2013, 08:57:24 am

Nice ledge point,I started banging on some last night

Hey lets see em !

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: David_Daugherty on June 04, 2013, 11:24:03 am

Very nice points there.  I would hunt with all of them except the one you found-that would go in a display case.  Just sayin... ;D

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Wolf Watcher on June 04, 2013, 01:38:58 pm

Seems people on here are always testing the effectiveness of stone arrow heads and blades.  I am volunteering to become a tester for the points you displayed on elk, deer, bear, moose, antelope or any other animal I can surround.  They are certainly visually awesome, but until tested we will never know for sure. I happen to have some supper cane arrows that would be a good missile carrier for them.  Just trying to be funny as you would certainly laugh at the crude but effective points I hunted successfully with all those years ago.  Very well done!  :o :o  8) Joe

Title: Re: Some of my recent knapping...and (point ID help needed)
Post by: Badly Bent on June 04, 2013, 08:20:29 pm

Those are all very nice points, love em'.