Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: fisher2 on May 13, 2013, 10:52:59 pm
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wll i've been shooting 75-80# modern longbows for a while so i figured i could likely atleast pull 120#@28" back well i got a bow in and it quickly reminded me im a weak man
heres my first day attempting (note shirtless man!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj0T6BFQIRw
how should i go about getting it to draw note ive tried this way quite a few times and feel no pain so im good in that case i also know when to stop for a few days already
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From 80 to 120# is a big jump. I can shoot my 90#@30" warbow with no problems, but anything over 100# is impossible for me. I just can't get it back to full draw. Drawing fully to 30" is also another story.
Where did you get the 122# bow? No offense, but the tiller is horrible... all the bending is at the fades. You might also want to round off the edges a bit more.
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ebay, i knew it would be i wanted a cheap stick as a workout bow and didnt want to put in the tine to do it myself
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History tells us that English longbowmen "trained up" starting at an early age and going up to heavier poundage bows as they grew up. It would be wise (and avoid muscular injury) to duplicate this and work your way up through progressively heavier poundage bows. One should also train with lifting weights to build upper body strength. Diet plays a large part in such training and so do your research on the diets needed for weight training. Once you achieve the ability to pull such a bow, your job has only begun. Now you must maintain that ability by continual weight training exercise and shooting the bow regularly. Through mindfulness, you can also get your mind set on your goal and manifest what you wish to achieve.
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Not a warbow guy, but I do know a bit about strength training. It would be a mistake to work out only by drawing bows especially at the level of 100 plus pound draw weights. Drawing a bow is not a balanced workout. It works a certain group of muscles in a certain direction, and if that is all you do, your muscles will develop in an unbalanced manner. This sets you up for potential injury.
Drawing a bow of that weight takes most of your upper body to do properly, primarily your arms, and upper back, but also your shoulders, chest and core. You should work them all in a balanced manner. Do not neglect the lower back and abs. A good strong core will prevent injury and you'd be surprised at how much an good core can improve your overall strength. I'd recommend putting together a program that works all you major upper body groups, but with an emphasis on your arms back and chest.
Were I in your shoes, training for a heavyweight bow, I'd speak to a personal trainer and put together a workout regime. But if you don't want to do that you could put a program together yourself, just make sure you aren't ignoring any of your groups. Its easy to forget some of those smaller muscles, but they are important too.
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I agree... somewhat. General strength is good. However, specificity is vital in any sport. If you want to shoot heavy bows, you need to train by shooting heavy bows. Don't get me wrong, I agree about balanced strength and preventing injuries. But, when it comes down to it... if you want to shoot heavy bows, practice by shooting heavy bows. Also, move up in draw weight in small steps... like 5-10# over 3-4 months.
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i may just do the personal trainer route as i am looking to get 100#+ as my average bow weights
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I agree... somewhat. General strength is good. However, specificity is vital in any sport. If you want to shoot heavy bows, you need to train by shooting heavy bows. Don't get me wrong, I agree about balanced strength and preventing injuries. But, when it comes down to it... if you want to shoot heavy bows, practice by shooting heavy bows. Also, move up in draw weight in small steps... like 5-10# over 3-4 months.
You are right. I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't practice with bows because that would be a key part of your training. Just that you shouldn't practice only with bows.
Drawing a hundred plus pounds in that position is a serious strain on your upper body, and your whole upper body needs to be up to the task, not just your bow muscles.
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You need to keep in mind that you not only need to develop muscle strength, which can be done fairly quickly, but you also need to remodel the associated tendons and ligaments. These connective tissues take much longer to repair and remodel than muscle due to their relatively poor blood supply, and don't forget, to some extent, your bones must also reshape along the new lines of stress you are imposing on them. Bottom line, it takes time and dedication. Build overall upper body strength but focus on pulling a bow like adb said. You need to work up to your target weight slowly in small increments, otherwise I can guarantee you will inevitably injure yourself. I started just like you, barely being able to pull #80@32", now I regularly shoot up to 65+ arrows at a time with my #120@32" bow, however, it took me three full years to get to that level.
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my normal target bows have been 80#@28" for the last year so going up to 100# isnt too overly hard i was just looking for new ways to go about it
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I need to work on being able to full draw my #75 warbow... Any major risks? I am a bit young...
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lots of risks! be careful and listen to your body and you'll be fine
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I mean as in putting incredible stress on tendons, ligaments, and bones before they are fully grown.
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exactly how young are you?
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exactly how young are you?
The same could be asked of you, we don't want a situation when advice is given out but people who them self are not on top of big bows.
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exactly how young are you?
I would rather not post my age publicly...
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Why?
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He has a right not to post his age. If he doesn't want to, then all I can say is we shouldn't heckle him.
As for training up to a heavy bow and being young and still developing, I started archery only a few years ago, and at first I only shot a 30 pound recurve. Then I went up to a 40 pound ELB, started making my own, made a few fiftey-pounders and two in the 60s range, long story short, now I can comfortably pull an 80-90 bow. My goal is to be able to shoot around 100-110 soon, so that I can shoot a new warbow that I am currently working on. :)
but every time I increased poundage, I went up only by about ten pounds, and I trained extensively with that bow for a while before going up again. the point is, go slow and gradually to let your body, tendons, and muscles grow used to the stress, and you'll make it. Make an abrupt, rash jump in draw weight, and you're liable to turn something inside out. ;)
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im not trying to heckle him im just trying to figure out how fragile his frame is of still growing if he's 16 or so yes he's still growing but he wont have nearly as much time to mess with his body ( think i heard at one time they found bodys of warbow men that where trained from young age and had skeletal issues due to such) if he's too young drawing 80-100% of his weight will increase his chances of having joint issues in older age and can cause a bunch of other issues so yes it is a valid question being that he brought up his age as being a factor
also excuse me for not shooting 100#+ for so long? does anyone really care if i shoot 80# or 180#? isnt it most about putting the arrow in the mark at your draw weight with ease?
maybe these concerns are just me thinking as a biology major and yes he has 100% right to not post his age if he doesnt want to
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Would posting your age on this forum be a risk?
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i dont think so but he has full right to not want others to know for whatever reason he has
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Fair enough. Just confused about why.
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He has a right not to post his age. If he doesn't want to, then all I can say is we shouldn't heckle him.
As for training up to a heavy bow and being young and still developing, I started archery only a few years ago, and at first I only shot a 30 pound recurve. Then I went up to a 40 pound ELB, started making my own, made a few fiftey-pounders and two in the 60s range, long story short, now I can comfortably pull an 80-90 bow. My goal is to be able to shoot around 100-110 soon, so that I can shoot a new warbow that I am currently working on. :)
but every time I increased poundage, I went up only by about ten pounds, and I trained extensively with that bow for a while before going up again. the point is, go slow and gradually to let your body, tendons, and muscles grow used to the stress, and you'll make it. Make an abrupt, rash jump in draw weight, and you're liable to turn something inside out. ;)
Good advice all around, :).
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im not trying to heckle him im just trying to figure out how fragile his frame is of still growing if he's 16 or so yes he's still growing but he wont have nearly as much time to mess with his body ( think i heard at one time they found bodys of warbow men that where trained from young age and had skeletal issues due to such) if he's too young drawing 80-100% of his weight will increase his chances of having joint issues in older age and can cause a bunch of other issues so yes it is a valid question being that he brought up his age as being a factor
also excuse me for not shooting 100#+ for so long? does anyone really care if i shoot 80# or 180#? isnt it most about putting the arrow in the mark at your draw weight with ease?
maybe these concerns are just me thinking as a biology major and yes he has 100% right to not post his age if he doesnt want to
Thanks. That is more or less what I wanted to know... I am not going to be drawing more than about 60-70% of my weight. I just don't want to post it PUBLICLY. There are good reasons for that...
Sorry for starting a debate here.
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your fine in my eyes at 60-70% if you go slow and listen to body
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Many bones in a younger body aren't fused until late adolescence, most famous for archers is the acromion, the two piece bone you can feel at the top of your shoulder. Heavy manual labor or pulling a heavy bow keeps them from fusing so examinations of medieval skeletons of archers often show this phenomenon, however, modern adults not subject to intense shoulder stress will have them fused. As a young (or any age) shooter, your biggest risks are a ligament sprain or a muscle strain. Both are basically tears to the tissue. When it happens, you need to stop and let it heal, period. Use ice to start, and Advil for inflammation. You can take some basic steps to help prevent this by properly warming up your muscles and joints before shooting. Muscles are heated by blood but your joints need movement to get the synovial fluid moving and lubricating. Just common sense right? Long term risks include tendonitis, bursitis, osteoarthritis and other over use injuries but if you take things slow and let your body adapt, it will. By the way, I'm 49 and like I said, I can easily handle my #120@32" but it took years to get there.
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Many bones in a younger body aren't fused until late adolescence, most famous for archers is the acromion, the two piece bone you can feel at the top of your shoulder. Heavy manual labor or pulling a heavy bow keeps them from fusing so examinations of medieval skeletons of archers often show this phenomenon, however, modern adults not subject to intense shoulder stress will have them fused. As a young (or any age) shooter, your biggest risks are a ligament sprain or a muscle strain. Both are basically tears to the tissue. When it happens, you need to stop and let it heal, period. Use ice to start, and Advil for inflammation. You can take some basic steps to help prevent this by properly warming up your muscles and joints before shooting. Muscles are heated by blood but your joints need movement to get the synovial fluid moving and lubricating. Just common sense right? Long term risks include tendonitis, bursitis, osteoarthritis and other over use injuries but if you take things slow and let your body adapt, it will. By the way, I'm 49 and like I said, I can easily handle my #120@32" but it took years to get there.
Is it good to not let it fuse or is it bad?
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Your acromion will fuse on its own and that's a good thing......
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i learned to pull a 50# bow by working my way up in poundage using the bows at the club and lifting weights. i started with a simple 20# bow then after a month 25#bow after another month30# bow ect.... i gradually added 5# each month.
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Slow and steady... that's the way to do it.