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Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Olanigw (Pekane) on March 21, 2013, 03:21:23 pm

Title: Finally repaired Grampie's old bow
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on March 21, 2013, 03:21:23 pm
Hey everyone,

I have an old FG longbow that my grandfather hunted with.  It's starting to delaminate at the tips and I want to get it fixed sooner rather than later, for sentimental reasons.

Can anyone recommend a Bowyer in the Northeast that is reputable, will take a look and see if it can ever shoot again?

Thanks for the consideration.

EDIT:  PICS BECAUSE IM A KNUCKLEHEAD (Thanks Pat B for reminding me)

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb208/bipolarskizo/Royce%20Bow/20130302_135055_zps7fadfa38.jpg)

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb208/bipolarskizo/Royce%20Bow/20130302_135021_zps791b68bf.jpg)

That's the extent of it.  The gel coat is just starting t bubble in other areas, but I'm not worried about that.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Pat B on March 21, 2013, 03:36:57 pm
If not too bad a little super glue might just fix it for you. Will you post pics?
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Stoker on March 22, 2013, 03:58:42 pm
Epoxy will do it. Glue and lighty clamp. Let it fully cure befor shooting.
Thanks leroy
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: jeffhalfrack on March 22, 2013, 05:05:46 pm
  That's  nothing!  gorilla impact glue!   it's a super glue I use it to glue limb tips on fg bows good stuff  I breathe on it like you are about to clean your glasses  CA type glues  are water activated go for it   good luck JeffW
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: mullet on March 22, 2013, 06:10:08 pm
Loctite Thin super glue and a clamp. :)
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on March 22, 2013, 07:16:43 pm
thanks guys!
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on April 12, 2013, 11:18:09 am
I finally got some time to glue it up.

It didn't take...  All of the pressure from my clamp was on the middle and didn't do much for the "ears".  I will need to figure out how to use some vice grips to clamp it where it needs it.

Try again, maybe tonight, maybe when I get back from Mexico next weekend.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Joec123able on April 12, 2013, 08:52:28 pm
Had it happen to me I just glued it back down with tite bond 2 still shoots fine
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: JackCrafty on April 12, 2013, 09:14:42 pm
Wax is often recommended for a final finish over Gelcoat.  If wax has crept in and facilitated the delamination, any amount of glue will NOT fix it.  Glue will not stick to wax.  Before you go any further I recommend you determine exactly why the wood lams are separating.  If you can't figure it out, then it's best to find a good bowyer like you mentioned.

Hopefully the glue you used is a good base for more glue.  If it's not, then the glue will have to be removed before the repair can be done.

Good luck.  Looks like a beautiful bow!
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: sleek on April 13, 2013, 04:30:28 am
I would fill it full of a gel loctite super glue, then use wax paper over a board, and clamp it down, using the board for evenly applied pressure and the wax paper to keep from gluing your board to to the bow.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: chamookman on April 13, 2013, 01:48:25 pm
Pekane - I've looked at the pics quite a few times now, and I'm not sure that is FG backing. I believe it is Fortisan - used quite a bit pre - FG. I have an OLD Lemonwood Longbow that is a BRUTE, that was backed with Fortisan. The backing started to delam and I tried many differant glues to lay the backing down with no sucsess (It was a wall hanger). The backing eventually totally fell off. Good luck - Bob.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: JackCrafty on April 13, 2013, 02:19:12 pm
Guys, the belly lam is the one delaminating, no?  I assume we are looking at a recurve.  Look at the way the string notch is cut...
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: chamookman on April 13, 2013, 02:24:10 pm
Good catch there Patrick ! Wow - I sure missed that one  :-X :-X. Bob
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: JackCrafty on April 13, 2013, 02:27:32 pm
Izz ok.   ;)
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: bubby on April 14, 2013, 04:12:55 am
clean it well, good ca glue and innertube wrap it as the clamp
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on April 22, 2013, 08:09:52 pm
Back from mexico.

Next attempt will be using CA gel and better clamping.
It is the belly that is delaminating, and only at that tip.

I've never run into any problems supergluing my superglue
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on April 25, 2013, 12:27:15 pm
Wanted to let you know,  I can now say I've had trouble supergluing my superglue.

I cleaned the tip with 90% rubbing alcohol and clamped it up with vicegrips and cedar shims.  It clamped up beautifully but the very tips didn't stick.  This was with a 10 minute clamp time on fresh CA superglue.

I can't think of any way to clamp that last 16th inch without crushing something or another.  Probably fates way of saying put it on the wall.

Pics later, but project is shelved.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on April 25, 2013, 07:37:17 pm
Wanted to let you know,  I can now say I've had trouble supergluing my superglue.

I cleaned the tip with 90% rubbing alcohol and clamped it up with vicegrips and cedar shims.  It clamped up beautifully but the very tips didn't stick.  This was with a 10 minute clamp time on fresh CA superglue.

I can't think of any way to clamp that last 16th inch without crushing something or another.  Probably fates way of saying put it on the wall.

Pics later, but project is shelved.
Hm... Take it to somebody who knows what the heck they are doing.
Best to do that before you screw up big time.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: killir duck on April 25, 2013, 11:32:39 pm
wrap it up in sinew, doesn't exactly fit with the meterials but heck it works.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on April 26, 2013, 09:03:56 am
Wanted to let you know,  I can now say I've had trouble supergluing my superglue.

I cleaned the tip with 90% rubbing alcohol and clamped it up with vicegrips and cedar shims.  It clamped up beautifully but the very tips didn't stick.  This was with a 10 minute clamp time on fresh CA superglue.

I can't think of any way to clamp that last 16th inch without crushing something or another.  Probably fates way of saying put it on the wall.

Pics later, but project is shelved.
Hm... Take it to somebody who knows what the heck they are doing.
Best to do that before you screw up big time.

It's a wall queen now.  Prettier than it was but I still don't trust it to shoot.  Shelving a project means you're planning to leave it alone for a while.
Title: Re: Any recommendations for FG repairs?
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on June 20, 2013, 09:58:11 am
After a period of cooling down, SUCCESS!!!

Somehow there was wax in there.  Dunno how, but a tiny, tiny drop of xylene on a scrap of bedsheet wiped it out.

First group out of this thing in at least 30 years.

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb208/bipolarskizo/Royce%20Bow/20130619_195530_zps06d6e83e.jpg)
Title: Re: Finally repaired Grampie's old bow
Post by: Joec123able on June 22, 2013, 01:03:40 am
Wow that's really cool !
Title: Re: Finally repaired Grampie's old bow
Post by: JW_Halverson on June 22, 2013, 02:44:13 pm
Wow, that must have really felt good to shoot your grandfather's bow.  I'm hoping to talk my brother out of one of my great-grandfather's old steel fishing rods this summer.  He has never been interested in fishing and they are just gathering dust. 

Does it feel like this bow could go make meat for you this fall?  Modern materials aside, I would love to share the joy seeing pics of you, this bow, and meals-on-the-hoof in the Hunting Threads this fall.  I think we all would!
Title: Re: Finally repaired Grampie's old bow
Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on June 23, 2013, 11:11:24 pm
It is more than capable of making meat if I can catch up to it.  I need to train more with therabands to build up to whatever draw weight it is.

If I am fortunate and make some meat, I will take many pictures.
Title: Re: Finally repaired Grampie's old bow
Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on June 23, 2013, 11:18:48 pm
Awesome!
BTW old innertubes work as well as therabands and are a heck of a lot cheaper ;)
Title: Re: Finally repaired Grampie's old bow
Post by: ncpat on June 24, 2013, 04:15:30 pm
If gluing doesnt' work, try heat shrink tubing. Not very primitive but may work & let you keep using the bow. Go to an electrical supply house. Buy the heaviest grade they have, 1.5 times larger than the bow tips. Heat with heat gun or torch.