Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: crooketarrow on March 02, 2013, 08:55:52 am
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You can move this if need be.
I was send a EMAIL by someone. I have no intentions of even coeming close to stuping as low as this person. So I won't say a name. But the EMAIL when like this.
I'm sick for your know it all mentatly there's no way you can have did and know all you claim to know. I think your just a word jockie and like to pile it on other peoples posts. I know you hav'nt came close to 100 bows. You seam to know a lot about bows. Matter offact I'd say theres no way you've made 100 bows. I've went back through your posts and can't find one picture of a bow.
I'm no lier never have been. If I post or post to a post it's because I use'ly have done it have some sort of exsperance with it.
My granddad taught me for a little kid up to learn about something new ,exsperance if you can. To learn something different everyday of my life. I've trived to do just that still do.
Why are people scare of anyone or anything different than there use to. When they should be learning from them or it. At a early age my family knew and told me I was going to grow up and be different. My strong opinions and straight forwandness has cost me friends, wemen,jobs But I would'nt trade a min. of my life.
I read and many reread every post no mater how mundain or something I learned about 30 or 40 years ago.
Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way it was'nt entended.
I think you get the idea. So I went to the trouble to go out and take a few pic.s of some old bows, bows Im useing and shooting now .bows in the makeings and even a few going to be bows.
SO HERE'S YOUR PROFF
To start out with here's the first SELFBOW I made and hunted with. My first 2 were BL SINEWED.
THIS IS A 64"65#@26" OSAGE
Tiller looks a little off by hey it was made almost 23 years ago and shot couple 100,000 times.
The second pic. is of 4 or 5 th bow also a OSAGE.
64"70#@26
NEXT
Two of my perasonal bows.
A 62"55#@26 OSAGE
Under it is a 58"55#@26 HICKORY
The unstrung bow is a 64"50#@29 SLIPPY ELM
Next is a OSAGE bow for my youngest son. It's going to be 58"25#@24
Next is 2 bend in the handle osage bows for people.
Aosage with rawhide, A HICKORY and a PERSONAL SASSAFRAS BOW.
Next is from left to right.
couple bend in the handle bows couple HICKORY BOWS and a VINE MAPLE stave I got from ELK TRACKER a couple summers ago.
It's going to be 56"55#@26
Maining a gobbler bow since I shoot off my butt gobbler hunting.
Here a few unfinished and finished personal bows I did'nt even try to get out of that mess.(http://)
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I believe every word you say Roy, always have. Do I agree with all of them? Hell no buddy! I think your over use of ALL CAPS may get younger people thinking your yelling at them. My guess is your "hater" is a younger person. Keep in mind if your 30 and under, typing is your only form of communication learned. Talking on phones wasnt a skill learned. Text, twitter, type or email
Personally I would like to see more pics of your bows and game. I fully believe you have taken that many turkeys and deer, and made that many bows. I can tell by your stories and words that life is too simple to do anything but tell truths.
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Yep I never thought you were a liar either. A little blunt maybe, but every word I believed. Nice bows too.
Jon
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I wouldn't worry about it life's to short I agree with PD & Ifrit & there's nothing wrong with helping people & telling them what there doing wrong you make some really nice bows I hope when I figure out how to post pics. people tell me what I'm doing wrong it only helps you improve on your skills I enjoy reading everybody's stuff.
Rob
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With a name like Roy, you gotta be a good dude:)
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Sorry about that, I thought I sent that email to the other Roy. :laugh:
Don't sweat that silly bantering opt a jealous soul. It's just to bad we don't still allow ourseklves to take care of this kind of thing the way they used to. The scene from Tombstone comes to kind when Texas jack and creek Johnson got in a gunfight cuz "he crawfished on a bet and called me a liar"
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Roy,
Never doubted you for a minute...I too have never posted a bow on PA but I make them. You don't have to prove yourself to anyone dude. I enjoy your posts...Thanks and keep them coming. I'm working on a White Oak and will post this one when finished.
Don
Here's a peek roughed out...
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Don't sweat it. I hope you keep right on posting like you always have. While I don't agree with everyone on here all the time, I do try to learn something from each post. You have given a lot of good info from what I have seen on here. I never thought you told lies. Really, don't worry about the nay sayers and just keep doing what you do. I think we are all a bunch of stubborn hard heads or we wouldn't be hacking and chopping out primitive tools or hunting with sticks and rocks! I always look forward to your posts. You don't sugar coat it, but lay it right out there. While I may not always agree with you, I admire that you are not a fence sitter, and say what's on your mind. Those are great looking bows.
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Nice job royand i belive ya ya ur old schooll like me lol some of these darn punks just need a good old fashind a*$ woopin lol dont worry bout it just keep crankin em out have fun bro Brock
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I wanted to make a joke,, about taking that all green bow for proof,,,but I'll just say thanks and I need advise and enjoy the feed back from every one don't sweat the small stuff!!,,,,but I really like the green bow JEFFW
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I always gave brutally honest appraisals of the bows some have posted here. Some bows I critiqued were down right atrocious. I toned down my wording to stuff like "perhaps you can fix that little hinge in the top limb" instead of "only a moron would complete a bow with a 90 degree hinge in the top limb and think he had done a good job".
In spite of my efforts to let the builders down gently I got a slew of PMs that I was too rough on the builders and they might not ever make another bow because of my criticism.
It was then that I realized that people of my generation had to win to get a trophy and that most of the generation on this board only had to show up to get one. Younger folks often have a different mindset on what constitutes a stellar performance than us old geezers.
I finally decided to ask the board in general if they wanted the truth or their egos stroked with false accolades. All opted for the truth and the nasty PMs stopped.
Looks like you have encountered someone similar to my former detractors.
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on the upside of this at least we all get to see some cool looking bows you've made
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I like these bows, crooketarrow, especially the veteran in the first pic. I don't think anyone else here considers you a liar. I agree with pearl dums however that your use of capitals is mildly irritating to my generation ???
Sending insulting emails to anybody, however, is certainly not an option I'm sorry you had that happen to you.
I think honesty is required, whereas brutality should be left out ;) I think the communitiy on here does great overall when it comes to finding the right tone.
One should point out flaws where they seem to have gone unnoticed. Like the hinge. I learn alot from comments like these, and at times ask for it when presenting a bow.
I frequent a non-english board where everybody seems to think criticism is required. Most any comment on a bow goes like: "cool bow, but i personally don't like the shape of the tips / colour of the handle" or whatever else. That is pointless, and while it won't deter me from making bows, it could keep me from posting them there eventually.
And this seems essential to me, people post their bows on here and bring in content kind of as a gift. My bow p*rn for free. No need to be harsh on them. Sometimes, it may even feel good to look at a bow and think one might have done better. >:D
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Never doubted you. I didnt even know that all caps meant you were yelling. Im 35 and I guess Im in the in between generation of the youngsters and old guys. We certainly didnt all get a trophy just for competing when I was a kid but it probably wasnt near as hard to win as it was for the older generations either. Everyone has their own personality and opinions and theres nothing wrong with being blunt. I always just figure guys that are blunt are either old or yankees ;D.
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on the upside of this at least we all get to see some cool looking bows you've made
;D And yes, caps is like screaming through your computer. :) Nice bows though. I don't believe anyone should have even the slightest reason to ever think you are a lair,... or a "lier", haha.
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Now I do not believe in bullying or mocking but criticism for safety or performance is very important in my book. Every bow I post on here I hope that someone seeing something that I don't would speak up. Now if you comment on something that is not important to me I will just ignore it. I know some people take every word spoken to heart but maybe they should think about that before they post something for the WHOLE world to see. just my 2cents
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I haven't been around for quite a while but I don't think I've ever found fault or disbelief in your posts.
If people are complaining about the use of capital letters, that's their problem. I sometimes use capital letters to emphasise what I'm saying - it doesn't mean I'm "shouting".
At the end of the day, fcuk the begrudgers.
By the way Roy, you make a NICE bow!!
Steve.
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Your a lot more diplomatic than I would have been crooketarrow, I'd have sent a return email "Go pi$$ up a boot you !@#$#@# A$$%&@#! Then blocked him. I guess Eric and I went to the same school.
By the way, NICE bunch of bows!!
Robby
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Different personalities and opinions are what make talking to people interesting. I personnely enjoy blunt honesty and criticism and can hear most people's thoughts good or bad as long as its flavored with humor and respect. As far as you being a liar, well I don't know you personnely but I've never seen anything in your post that I remember that would lead me to believe that.
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Let's get off this whole young people thing. Sure, there might be some young people that don't take criticism very well. There are also older folks who don't take criticism very well. Ultimately there's good, bad, and useless advice. The person receiving the advice can use their own judgement to decide whether or not they're going to take it. Folks need to chill out a bit. It's not like we're doing surgery. We're making bows.
Crooketarrow, I see that you have a lot of posts. This tells me that you've been around the forum a while and have said a lot of things... and you're still around. Being new here I would assume you've got a fair reputation. I might look over some of your posts if I had any doubt. After looking over a few of your posts I noticed that when you give advice you tell people what you do and what works for you. I like this approach.
Before I post I sometimes I click the preview button and read over my post and make sure that any typing errors are corrected and that my use of grammar is to the best of my ability. I also make sure that the tone of the post is how I want it. Sometimes things come off different when you read it a second time.
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Dont sweat it man..... The downside to social media...even this great sight... Is the fact that there will always be flakey folks backstabbin and sayin things they couldnt get away with in person... This cat aint worth your time..... Brian
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Crooket,
A-holes will be a-holes, and the self-righteous ones are the worst.
I grew up with a father that expected my best in everything, and he taught me to take criticism and use it to better my work. The real world doesn't gush over unfinished work, and I don't expect you to either. If something needs adjustment, by all means mention it.
Your grammar sucks but it's perfectly readable. You do a fantastic job of conveying your experience without resorting to a "my way or the highway" position.
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They don't like CAPS here, believe me I would know...good luck! :D
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Ok okie watch your mouth boy, and get it right, I'm an Old Yankee... :) LOL
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Hey there old boy, maybe you want to lay off the coffee. It seems your nerves are on edge! >:D
I got a similar private message last year when I was "called out". When I came back down out of orbit I realized the guy was ribbing me the same way I pick on him. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like this guy was goofing off with you. Pity he has to be such a weiner. There are a few people on here I want to confront on a few issues, and I am going to bide my time so that I can do it face to face with them. It's only fair that if I am going to take a chance to light their fuse that my nose be there to receive it's proper treatment.
And just in case, to be very, very clear to everyone....that last bit was meant to be read by the person that sent the private message to crooketarrow. If you feel froggy enough to jump a guy, have the maturity to do it in person. Otherwise, shut your pie hole. Flaming on this site is not something we tolerate...in the open or in private. It's not the way we do things around here!
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crooket, Got the same treatment as you, only it was PM, other forums, posts on my posts, etc etc. got called a liar, history rewriter, and worst of all accussed of "dissrespecting" the authors of the Bowyers Bible books. I guess all ya can do is keep posting bud. It's hard to do though if ya aint one of the in-crowd.
JW, got all the respect in the world for ya, but I think your wrong about " not tolerated around here" statement.
Anyways, I doubt if the butt-head would say a peep to your face.
rich
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I think it's already been summed up . We are all here to learn and share what we have learned. No one is going to , or be obliged to believe everything he reads . As well they shouldn't! If you disagree with something you see, put in your two cents worth. That's where it ends . Discussions and opposing views are healthy and encourage growth and learning. Insults, and attacks on character, unfounded statements and inability to add meaningfull dialog just means you've entered a battle of wits,............unarmed! Sending a backdoor message like that is just cowardly and small. Thank you for letting everyone know, Crooketarrow,and for having the admirable character to not post the name. Maybe it will be a good lesson to "?" If you can't say it to everyone ,think about if it should be said at all.
Half eye - I think people sometimes forget that "TBB" was written by humans . Great stuff, but if we take that as the one and only truth ,we cannot progress.Even the boys that wrote the book have addmitted in subsequent volumes that it was the best information they had at the time.
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Ok okie watch your mouth boy, and get it right, I'm an Old Yankee... :) LOL
SORRY ROY, wasnt aiming that comment at you, even though you do meet all qualifications there. ;D ;D
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If someone sends you something annominously than I wouldn't put to much thought into what they had to say.
And as far as your experience, I could tell by your typing that you are a guy that has been around the block a few times. The more experienced generations were not taught computer skills all through school like they are now. It is nice to see your work though. I think some of the more tenured bowyers don't feel the need to post many bows. But for new members or someone that doesn't know you it would be nice to see the work of the person giving them advice.
You should have sent a picture of your skulls to the person that emailed you and said that those were the last two guys that sent emails like that to you >:D
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That's ok okie, I fit right into that mold:)
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You should have sent a picture of your skulls to the person that emailed you and said that those were the last two guys that sent emails like that to you >:D
Hah! That there is funny, right there!
After 4 pages of good folks "spanking" the unnamed person, they ought feel as if they have received their schooling on online etiquette.
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I don't cap to be yelling put use'lly do it on important things. Or if I want to get my point across. Beleive me I could care less about what anyone else's thinks of me. Exspeciall on the internet.
My spelling and grammer dose suck ever since in 06 when I had 2 strokes. Beleive me I don't care what anyone thinks on here about me. I spent a year in a wheel chair, cruchs, 4 legged cain, to a bad limp to after 100's of miles walking. Now I only limb very little.
I still fall once in a while fell got hunt really bad on NOV. 12 bow hunting. Set up to sleep for over a month. I also could'nt talk for almost a year other than makeing sounds. Some times my train of thoughs a little off. So if I mispell a word here or there I'm sure most people on heres smart enought to read through what I mean.
I could'nt shoot a bow for 2 years and and after I could I could'nt fee the right side ofl my face(ankor point) for over another year. I had to cut my arrows off to where I could fee the head touch the back of the shelf. Missed 2 gobblers that spring when I started back. One at 9 or 10 yards the other maybe 15. I'm not a very religious person but that first fall I shot s 6 point at 3 yards. I always said god must have sent that buck to me. Pissed my old lady off 34 times that fall. She just knew I was going to fall and frezze to death one night.
Arrowed a 3 year old gobbler the next spring at 11 or 12 yards and it was late summer before I started to feel the right side of my mouth again/
Acturaly a couple of good things came from me haveing strokes. One was since I have no balance and lost a right side cornation. It's made me a total gound hunter. And I stand hunted for over 30 years. Now I could climb up again now but will never climb a tree again. I love ground hunting and glad the work of putting up and down a dozzen or so stards a years over.
You don't have to worry about me in anyway. I just felt this person needed to see what he saw. I think my friend was put in his place and did'nt exspect to see what he saw.
NA JW I'M AS LAYED BACK AS YOU CAN GET. Wendy says if I get any more layed back I'd be a sleep all the time.
THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONCES
ROY
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Referring back to a thread I started a few days ago...Roy, you certainly understand the point of living. Grab every day and squeeze every drop of life out of it. Anything else is wasting your time!
Having said that....I doubt you know anything about bows. >:D Bring 8 or10 of your bows out here so I can shoot 'em. Please be sure to come during deer or turkey season. Pheasant season may be ok, too. There will be a test in my shop, though. You will need to make shavings while you are here! And bring Ms. Wendy along. I'd like to meet the person that puts up with your shenanigans!!!
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... My spelling and grammer dose suck ever since in 06 when I had 2 strokes. Beleive me I don't care what anyone thinks on here about me. I spent a year in a wheel chair, cruchs, 4 legged cain, to a bad limp to after 100's of miles walking. Now I only limb very little.
I still fall once in a while fell got hunt really bad on NOV. 12 bow hunting. Set up to sleep for over a month. I also could'nt talk for almost a year other than makeing sounds. Some times my train of thoughs a little off. So if I mispell a word here or there I'm sure most people on heres smart enought to read through what I mean.
I could'nt shoot a bow for 2 years and and after I could I could'nt fee the right side ofl my face(ankor point) for over another year. I had to cut my arrows off to where I could fee the head touch the back of the shelf. Missed 2 gobblers that spring when I started back. One at 9 or 10 yards the other maybe 15. I'm not a very religious person but that first fall I shot s 6 point at 3 yards. I always said god must have sent that buck to me. Pissed my old lady off 34 times that fall. She just knew I was going to fall and frezze to death one night.
Roy,
It's amazing that you've had that level of recovery after only 6 years. I work with a lot of stroke patients in my line of work and a lot of them don't end up having the drive to get back to really living.
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Haters are people who are misarable with there lives and can only deal with it by making other people feel that way. >:( i belive you and if other people don't then thats there problem. not yours. you don't need to prove anything to anyone, if you say you made 100 bows then you made 100 bows. don't let theese low lifes get you down. i can tell by the posts here that you have lots of freinds here on PA, and we all look out for each other. a boy once said "freinds that shoot together, stay together" - Squirrelslayer 2013. :laugh: SS ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Kudos to you Roy. I never doubted you for a minute (can't say that i agreed with you every minute ;)), and now that i know what you've been through my respect for you has gone through the roof. You're an inspiration and encouragement to "hang in there and don't give up" when the going gets tough. I tell ya, they just don't make'm like they used to ;)
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I'm with Clint on the whole human skull thing :D No need to justify yourself here Roy! I've met a lot of folks here and can say that a pm like that is not typical of the folks I know. Shrug it off and keep on posting! I enjoy your comments and especially your experiences.
Tracy
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have you looked at his account? it could just be a puppet account that someone made to make that comment or is he a regular? SS
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Roy I don't post much anymore. Been called down a few times so now mostly
keep my opinions to myself. But let me just say that there are three guys on
the site that I read whenever I see their names on a comment or thread...
you, halfeye, and that damn Halverson.
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Hang in there, my friend. You make fine bows. I have not posted bows in a few years either. I don't make as many as I used to. You make fine bows. Don't give what others think another thought. Jawge
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I believe every word you say Roy, always have. Do I agree with all of them? Hell no buddy! I think your over use of ALL CAPS may get younger people thinking your yelling at them. My guess is your "hater" is a younger person. Keep in mind if your 30 and under, typing is your only form of communication learned. Talking on phones wasnt a skill learned. Text, twitter, type or email
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Come on we're suppose to have fun and learn here young or ANCIENT LIKE ME ;)
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Yes Sir Crooketarrow,
Like several have stated, I always make time to reed your posts...
My old Fishing Mentor, God Rest His Soul, used to tell me:
Don't Sweat the Petty Stuff...
-gus
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tell him to pound sand and move on, don't have to prove nothing to nobody, Bub
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JW I'm lucky to have found WENDY she's truely one of a kind. Can't say one bad thing about her. Who else would let me hunt,fish or do what ever I do 365 days a year. Never said a word never try to put any restrickions on me or what I do. Guess I've always been lucky I always did as I pleased.
Her and my sons have a saying.
We all live in ROYS WORLD .
PEKANE I know my doctor's. have told me UNBELEIVABLE. I'm still only about 90% I'm told I'm as far back to 100% as I'll ever get. I've really slowed down since my strokes. But I'm good with that, better than setting in a corner in a wheel chair.
GEORGE
I've really slowed down also on bow building. I think with age you see theres not any use in turning out a bow or two a week. I still make 3 to 5 a year mostly for myself, kids, chartys only sell one or two a year don't advertise just word of mouth and I don't get in a hurry do it. I have way to many other hobbies going on.
I emailed my friend back before I posted. He emai9led me useing his freinds email I found out found this out from his friend.
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Whoever wrote the email seriously needs a grammar and spelling class before writing any more emails, or posts for that matter.
Call it a pet peeve of mine, but people will take you more seriously when you can actually scribe the language correctly.
Just saying.
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tell him to pound sand and move on, don't have to prove nothing to nobody, Bub
Ya, it is annoying to me when someone tries to "call out" someone on here because they haven't posted a bow they have made.
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JW I'm lucky to have found WENDY she's truely one of a kind. Can't say one bad thing about her. Who else would let me hunt,fish or do what ever I do 365 days a year. Never said a word never try to put any restrickions on me or what I do. Guess I've always been lucky I always did as I pleased.
Her and my sons have a saying.
We all live in ROYS WORLD .
I will understand that if you can't make it out here to the Black Hills to visit. The offer still stands for Wendy if she ever wants to visit! >:D >:D >:D >:D
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I just want to say Roy that I understand the grammar and spelling issues. My aunt who I'm very close to as she is the youngest of my mother's sisters and is only ten years older than me, had a very serious stroke two years ago and is still in recovery she went through all of the issues that I'm sure you had to as well. She still walks with a limp and has trouble with her right arm, and she also has a hard time with words. The improvement she has made has been miraculous and I thank God that not only is she still alive but that she is walking and talking. Before the stroke she was a artist mostly with paints, and being right handed she was unable to paint like she used too. however she has since taught herself how to paint with her left hand and even now operates a small business and sells her artwork.
I just wanted to say that I understand you quite well and that I'm amazed that that you are hunting and shooting and sharing your knowledge after going through such an ordeal. Thanks for posting!
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Just came across this post and have to say I'm glad your not gonna let this thing bother you Roy. I always enjoy your comments
and insights on this forum and hope you continue to offer them up in the same fashion that you have in the past. I'm sure that
the remarks from that one fool don't reflect what most of us think of each other. Hopefully that guy will realize how wrong he
was about you and offer up the apology you have coming.
Greg