Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: hunterman on October 13, 2007, 12:12:15 pm
-
hey
i was looking at home depot for some stuff and saw that titebond made some liquid hide glue. thought it would be good to have so i bought it. just wondering which is better, dry or liquid.
oh, heres a link to a website that has it too: http://www.hechinger.com/web/catalog/product_detail.aspx?pid=79030&cm_ven=Froogle&cm_cat=Paint%20Supplies&cm_pla=Franklin%20International&cm_ite=Franklin%20International-Adhesives-79030&cid=F0C8C44394B2C0BA68A4E0183CAA0A9F
-
...............dry
-
Both have uses. I like the quick gelling of the dry. The liquid has additives that keeps it from gelling as fast. I mixed some with my dry glue the other day to get more open time when working. It worked OK. You can actually adjust the open time by the amount of time you cook the dry also. Justin
-
by the sound of it,i guess the best to go with is the dry.
thanks
-
Ive never heard of dry glue. Is it powder you mix yourself?
-
Im gonna settle this dry verses liquid hide glue for backing bow , once and for all The liquid hideglue made by titebond works better and is easier than ANYTHING out there , I KNOW , I use it , and if you all dont think Im right then check out my feedback on ebay on bows and then try and argue the point with me. You dont get that kind of feedback using bad glue, you just have too know how too use any kind of glue I go by trapper801 on ebay and those are just a smidgen of the bows Ive actually made. People that say OH The DRY IS BETTER has got to be a arm chair opinion, IN other words they have READ it didnt work they havent NEVER tried the liquid hideglue or they wouldnt have that opinion. Trapper
-
OK Trapper, that settles the backing a bow. I also think you get less air between the sinew pieces when you do a sloppy job like I do. ;) What about other uses though. ;D When I wrap arrows or try to glue wood or something of that nature, I like the dry. When I have wrapped arrows with liquid and sinew, I have had a hard time getting the tail end to stay down. With the dry it sticks as soon as I lay it down. Maybe its just user error. ;D Justin
-
ok then, matter solved :). looks like i bought the right glue in the first place ;D
-
"People that say" Oh the dry is better has got ta be an arm chair opinion" youre quote Trapper. Sorry ta say it aint an arm chair opinion like ya say. Both are good BUT the dry dries faster and has more strength. I dont care how many bows ya made it dosent settle it. Since ya seem ta believe youre background gives ya an edge in this, lets just say on youre platform that I have been makin' bows a lot longer than you. sYou may like it so be it, but it aint any better than the dry as a matter of fact imho it isnt as good. Too each his own right ?.......bob
-
Bob , You dont have any idea how many bows Ive made or how long I been doin it . And on top of that you have no idea how old I am. Like you said too each his own, I cant help it if you dont know how too use it right. As long as we can agree too disagree it will come out in the longrun. Trap
-
Trapper, I DO know how ta use it right. ha ha ha ! Neither do you know how old I am er how many bows I have made. But yes lets agree ta disagree ! Sure enuf hahaha ! ;D...........bob
-
Never knew hide glue could cause such a heated debate. ;D Ya'll have a good day. Mike
-
I cant help it if you dont know how too use it right
So what is the right way to use the liquid? Myself and many others I would assume don't know how to use it. This is not a smartass question-I seriously want to know what the trick is if you don't mind telling it. The only time I've tried it, it seemed to never set up-stayed tacky goo forever. What can you do to get around this?
-
Hillbilly, I had the same problems, it stays tacky if exposed to air that has got some humidity to it. Works well for laminations, I wouldn't say the best but it does just fine. Any glue rated over about 2500# per square inch will work. Most of our glues go from about 2700 to 3600 I believe. I think TB3 is about 3200 but been awhile since I checked. Steve
-
Go fishing, and dry the fish bladders, boil glue from them and voila. better glue than hideglue. oh, and it's waterproof also
-
fish glue is very strong and somewhat more repellent of moisture than hide glue. i wouldnt go as far as saying it is waterproof though.
-
Go fishing, and dry the fish bladders, boil glue from them and voila. better glue than hideglue. oh, and it's waterproof also
Fish glue is strong. It is actually stronger than hide glue if prepared right. It is also finer clearer and less odor than hide glue. It is also more flexable after drying than other animal glues. However it is more susceptible to humidity. You can add chemicals to it to make it waterproof, but that can be done to all animal glues. Justin
-
What was the question again, oh I know. I would try both if you're sincerely interested in making a primitive bow backed with sinew. Then you can decide which one works better for your situation. Good luck
-
I thought this topic was about hide glue ? ;D Guess I was mistaken. Ah beg ta differ, fish glue is not stronger or better glue than hide glue given proper preparation fer both. It is however, like Justin said more susceptible ta humidity and it is not waterproof nor is hide glue unless..ah forget it...........................bob
-
well of course you cant soak the bow in water with fish glue, but at least the fishglue that I made to make period arrows was much more water resistant than hide glue that I had used on the other arrows. I shot with them in rain, and the hide glue gave up, but the fish did not. no lack or anything, because they were period arrows.
-
Hi,
I have used Titebond liquid hide glue, with great sucess, for gluing on snakeskin and rawhide backings. I have also made and used my own, both from animal and fish sources. They all work well, and are very strong. I wouldn't, however, trust any of their waterproof abilities. Much safer to go with TB2 or TB3. From a practical stand point, it's sure a lot easier to use the prepared liquid hide glue than boiling up your own! Your family will probably appreciate not stinking up the house, either!
-
Hi,
Oh yah, I forgot to mention... give hide glue (any hide glue) a lonnnnngggg time to dry and set. We're talking days. Last SS hide glue up took a week to completely set hard. The other nice thing about hide glue, you can clean it up with water, even after extended drying time, and you have lots of time to fiddle while you're working with it. Set up time is very extended.
Also, maybe you guys could stop with the pissing contest about who's done more, or sold more, or knows more. I don't think that's what this is all about. There are always people who know more than you, and there are also people who know less. So... you can always teach, and always learn... if you're willing.
-
The original thread question was "should I use dry er liquid I can buy. Which ?" Its not about fish glue or tbb2 or 3 adb3112. Wanna address the question ? Even I ranged off topic with the fish glue BUT its about hide glue dry er liquid.......bob
-
Dry for me as well.....though I dont use it often
-
Knox.........nuff said! ;D
-
Both,They work the same for me.
-
jesus, u guyz got pretty worked up ;D
i'll just try the liquid and see if it works. if it doesnt, ill remove the sinew and use dry.
-
jesus, u guyz got pretty worked up ;D
i'll just try the liquid and see if it works. if it doesnt, ill remove the sinew and use dry.
You aint seen worked up yet. Just wait untill we really disagree on something. >:D Justin
-
Worked up,Not yet, ;D,,,,Okay ;what kind of fish bladders are better than bottle glue finnish native? Huh,huh? Yea,see,that's what I thought. ;D
-
The point I was trying too make is , if you dont apply and do it right neither will work right. Thats nuff said. Trap