Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Bryce on December 21, 2012, 05:11:51 pm
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Thought I might try a build along.
Been a looooong time since I've done this type of bow so bare with me :)
Here we go.
Tools: heat gun, coping saw, block sander, 5/8 chisel, nock file or chainsaw file, #49 rasp, micro plane rasp, tape measure, chalk line, cabinet scraper, hatchet, and of course a draw knife.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/BAA1603F-C86F-413C-B2F6-56B7AF788E11-4308-000003C620943350.jpg)
Materials: Old Yew Stave
This is a piece of yew I got from a guy in Klamath Falls, OR who used to strip the bark for cancer research.
It's about 8 yrs. old badly checked back, as it was left outside in the sun and weather for years. Free yew is Better then no yew :) the heartwood is most likely still good for bow making :)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/CEA06324-53FB-431E-A731-DDBBB9718506-4308-000003C0F50C65ED.jpg)
About 40RPI
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/BCE99DD7-D0ED-4AD8-94AB-542570860A22-4308-000003C0FD857753.jpg)
Got the sinew from J-Dub! And this made me laugh, when I opened it.
THOSE ARE SPRUCE CONES!!! NOT PINE CONES HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/B85B2BEB-FDA7-4F70-93A6-96CCBAF17F2B-4308-000003C104374377.jpg)
To be continued...
-Pinecone
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This looks interesting. I'll be watching closely.
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I am tuned in.
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You're going to have this done by New Year's Day, right? I want to shoot it.
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I'm with Weylin. I want to shoot it on New Years Day.
Dave H.
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Expected completion mid. February.
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i will be watching for it.
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Ok I got her all strapped down let's remove the bad wood.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/71C7E6E4-2577-4286-A10B-37BAA7E4F81E-4522-000003F19B48730F.jpg)
Unsound yew will have dark rings, either from wind damage or woodpecker wholes that rot on the inside. The rings will separate with little effort.
Took my chisel got into the dark ring and pried the bad layers of wood off.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/1868505F-E6F0-4B82-926F-F5E9404054F4-4522-000003F1A2F138DD.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/49D8F47A-D7A4-4335-99DF-96C9924987A4-4522-000003F1A8BE0B6D.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/25EFABB7-15C8-45AE-9E4E-EE9E6897DEE0-4522-000003F1AF4AD2E7.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/77D33C27-75A6-438C-9429-C96FCFFE38BF-4522-000003F1B707B58A.jpg)
Now it's time to cut down a little ways past the rotten/checked wood and find a nice ring to follow.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A20A846D-2F3F-433F-95B4-79D1D1F19AFC-4522-000003F1BFF5C973.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/77AFA98B-CD51-436B-960C-488B30037A8E-4522-000003F1CB68427B.jpg)
Okay we have a nice ring chased with extra wood around the knots and pins
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/7B0B3DC4-B70D-4BFE-8365-B4215423DDBD-4522-000003F1D7C7DBB3.jpg)
Now with the rasp, lets clean these knots up. Will try and avoid all these knots in the finished bow.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/422D98AE-D727-4070-8876-F897BD15473D-4522-000003F1DD2C6D88.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/F2AB655E-8EB5-4EC1-9A92-88C473DD8030-4522-000003F1E506DDF3.jpg)
80G and a sanding block to even out some of the bumps.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/380AA176-7F3B-40E2-8C2C-817CC0BD2062-4522-000003F1EEBBE3ED.jpg)
And with every newly exposed back its always a good idea to seal it up with a light coat of shellac, to avoid unexpected checking.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/5EC498A3-3E2B-48CC-8859-E4D1A30F1DD8-4522-000003F20619695C.jpg)
-Pinecone
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Great build Along Pinecone on a Selfbow. One of the better ones I have seen.
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Looking good! Overall thats actually a really nice yew stave. Keep it up, i'l be watching!!
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man you are fast Bryce.way to dig right in.
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Okay I look down the stave and mark the highest parts
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/2BBDAEA3-7E99-4026-BEA3-F910CB2D7F34-5344-000004EBE387F4E3.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/F65C9D90-D34C-4AD8-A3E6-E005BAEEA8B9-5344-000004EBF0C89CA7.jpg)
And then connects them all following the crest of the crown as best I can.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D0B37EE9-7FF8-4470-84AE-B58EE0E0138F-5344-000004EBEAF8E4CF.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/78F33754-346F-4D71-AB9D-98F14A9E7146-5344-000004EBF7CB7B6A.jpg)
Then I take a chalk line to see how the string is gonna fall. Next ill mark a good spot for the center of the bow.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A9D670F3-2712-4DE7-AE97-7D418AEFF360-5344-000004EC068D5D99.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/92878E0B-398C-4497-B579-4F7B1AB49F61-5344-000004EC0D981324.jpg)
Time to measure out the handle. 1" from the center and 3" down from the center give a nice 4" handle area.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/92878E0B-398C-4497-B579-4F7B1AB49F61-5344-000004EC0D981324.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D07A9AD9-2976-4961-B14D-6BB2911AFD59-5344-000004EC1451DAB4.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/2DB53955-E63C-4045-88A9-46F283E00E0B-5344-000004EC1A5FDF3E.jpg)
Next I mark 2 1/4" up from the edge of the handle.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D1F41997-6C91-42AB-8FCE-024780B7972A-5344-000004EC27039530.jpg)
Next I take a high tech piece of sand paper and mark 3/4" on each side of the center line, then connect them all.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/8933DC04-998D-454E-88D6-984940124F7E-5344-000004EC2CDE3A4D.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/3FA183A3-8D4B-4619-B6BC-EC56792DC36B-5344-000004EC33E6445F.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/287BAAD2-5030-4233-B393-B3DC666B71DE-5344-000004EC3B288020.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/7965AA45-3D37-4F0E-B44C-D6D47293F380-5344-000004EC4205355F.jpg)
Now I outline the handle which is 1 1/8" wide.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/B471E0A9-1B86-433A-99C5-9F904B64D914-5344-000004EC48B5FAED.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/586AE7F0-0912-40C3-81AC-93598C418554-5344-000004EBDCC50641.jpg)
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Okay I took it over to the band saw stayed outside the lines now its time to shape the profile.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/6BC3FA6E-6903-490E-BB9D-6B6FD90538C8-5344-000004EBD02AFD9B.jpg)
Okay now on this bow I will leave it 1 1/2" wide for 6" the taper the rest to 1/2".
Then smooth it all out with soft rasp.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/B48812D7-3A57-49D2-8575-22021BBEF067-5344-000004EB99FAF43C.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/0D32EE27-3D3D-4FE8-BF7C-4094727B5F6A-5344-000004EB8C68BBB1.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/7FC349D0-67D1-432C-B121-CC9748A147CA-5344-000004EB93B27B12.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/4A3FC086-E5A4-44B0-B7A6-8F64A3B63BFC-5344-000004EB84BC68B1.jpg)
Next I mark a thickness like 3/4" at the fades and lock the fingers and follow the back of the bows natural undulations. Then remove wood with a hatchet and clean it up with a rasp.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/600F07A1-6A2F-473C-A7F8-EBB41F2B84F0-5344-000004EB7E7A8782.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/91224598-EE3C-432E-95E8-4B274A01AE6C-5344-000004EBA927078E.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/5B0EB1E3-81CD-4B84-9C0A-3BAE8FE30618-5344-000004EBA05491EE.jpg)
Next I make a line 1/4" from the back of the bow and round it from that point up.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/1446225F-BEAD-4D20-9DF0-3311999D025D-5344-000004F7B348325F.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D86B03BD-8B06-4AE8-9BFC-BA4BA3F87E82-5344-000004EB719CA72A.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/AC87051F-CD38-4F3D-8D0D-D21ED02E3728-5344-000004EB6A074401.jpg)
Alright I to that on both sides and clean it up with the block sander
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/BE6A321F-1A92-4089-AF36-20CB0B30C191-5344-000004EB62DC1DDA.jpg)
And now I have a roughed out bow ready to floor tiller.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/8F805900-988B-4EA8-B284-5DB5C70E6E01-5344-000004EB5C7482DD.jpg)
But before that let's fill some knots. I'll show the 2 methods I use.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/EF523DEA-2823-4281-9A0D-DC4AF793BFBB-5344-000004EB56800909.jpg)
All cleaned out
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/E4DDEDF7-AEC8-4DA3-99E3-8BD7FAA0515A-5344-000004EB5042B835.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/FA97227A-9779-46A0-9C43-4272C55DC401-5344-000004EB49EEF97E.jpg)
Some Yew dust and wood glue.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/8E0FED4E-24BD-4727-A08B-8503BF47AD76-5344-000004EB42B92BB5.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A528F729-B12D-4615-A730-51E0F1A54F34-5344-000004EB3C016258.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/B9E7E3C8-7081-42BF-8208-46DD1F5F3031-5344-000004EB356677D2.jpg)
Size the knot
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A013CB0B-49EA-4176-9A61-A41359DF88D4-5344-000004EB2DC9F1F6.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/EE37C2D2-F342-4118-8274-F9EF9C237255-5344-000004EB277617A5.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/5942C5C9-BA88-4A3C-9ADB-C114B08CB918-5344-000004EB1FDFE64B.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/66424874-BBF4-4320-B025-A55D380C0517-5344-000004EB12A84AE6.jpg)
Or the super glue method.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/E3BBDDFB-1750-4099-ACB7-B96BD575A454-5344-000004EB0E495716.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/7AAC4E71-EF06-4309-AA81-C7B042B35D48-5344-000004EB0715AF36.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/69B30A3D-1B06-4083-AEBA-1A4EF753A09A-5344-000004EAFFCE7412.jpg)
And then really push the dust in there.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/BF547946-B0BE-49B3-91DA-0A22C2558BC7-5344-000004EAF8E72663.jpg)
Then top it off and let it all dry over night.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/DD48CB2F-DC33-430D-BA33-72D0BBA32DA4-5344-000004EAEC488962.jpg)
-Pinecone
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Looking good. Sorry if ya ardy said this but what is the length of the blank?
All the yew i got seems to have considerably darker heart-wood. Is the darker stuff denser?
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Stave is 58" long
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I better see some 60 degree+ static recurves being bent soon ;)
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Blackie I didn't plan on it.. But for you man, you got it!
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I noticed you use A Sawdust mix for plugging holes and such. That's all I ever use, best filler for cracks and larger crevices.
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It's looking really good Bryce.
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I noticed you use A Sawdust mix for plugging holes and such. That's all I ever use, best filler for cracks and larger crevices.
I noticed some ppl use straight epoxy. But I've never given it a try when this method work so well.
It's looking really good Bryce.
Thanks Gordon so far it's basic stuff. I think the real stone throwing will happen when I do the sinew work ;)
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Looks really good Bryce.Pictures are great.I'm about to sinew a hard maple here too.Three courses with reverse bracing etc.Curious to see what you do with yours.
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Blackie I didn't plan on it.. But for you man, you got it!
Atta boy...get that sinew aworking. ;)
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Great stuff Bryce.... this is going to be good :)
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I'm enjoying while I learn.
Bryce, I just finished a knot repair on a BW bow following your TB II / sawdust repair. How long before I can work it smooth?
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The super glue method is a better choice.
If the tb and the dust where packed nice and tight it will take quite awhile . I put mine in front of a fan and it's still a little soft.
I would say a couple days.
Super glue: couple hours-->totally dry and ready to work.
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Looks really good Bryce.Pictures are great.I'm about to sinew a hard maple here too.Three courses with reverse bracing etc.Curious to see what you do with yours.
That should be a zinger! Flat belly?
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Good build along Pinecone. Keep it going I love seeing how others get to a finished bow.
Gotta ask though, have you ever showed up at the emergency room with a bow stave glued to your thumb from pushing that sawdust and super glue mix into a knot hole like that? Done it the same way myself once and almost glued my finger tight. ;D
Greg
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me and superglue don't get along.
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Good build along Pinecone. Keep it going I love seeing how others get to a finished bow.
Gotta ask though, have you ever showed up at the emergency room with a bow stave glued to your thumb from pushing that sawdust and super glue mix into a knot hole like that? Done it the same way myself once and almost glued my finger tight. ;D
Greg
No I haven't lol, but I did have a saw dust covered thumb for a few days :)
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Hey pinenut...just rub that hard yeller sawdust thumb on the 50 grit belt on the beltsander(when its not running)...that's how I get superglue off my fingers
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I peeled it off with my hunting knife :)
But i will try your method on the next one.
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Okay let's get back on this horse.
Here is a knot after it was filled with super glue and yew dust
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/6B924FD5-8C0C-49F1-91C6-F39B18A36F60-9119-00000818E1BA5EFC.jpg)
Now out of request and to better bring out the full usefulness of the sinew lets reflex these tips. Now for yew I like to boil the wood for 30mins/1/2" of thickness. I will do a demo of boiling and also using dry heat:)
First lets clean up the back, get rid of these lines because from this point on we will be going off what the eye can see.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/26B2A42F-845A-435F-A882-297345AE8C18-9119-000008180A72EE93.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/C7815841-62E5-470E-8F0A-9216B823B5EA-9119-000008181287310D.jpg)
Okay I set the stave in the water while its cool and start the timer when the water has a good solid boil. It's a good idea to trap all the heat you can, so I've added a good aluminum foil lid :)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/1DDD9794-EC64-4BC5-8E17-8917E31B79FF-9119-000008181B4068E4.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A65D9F4A-024D-42C6-8146-9A18DA1F8D5F-9119-00000818290879A6.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/38559B1D-D5A3-4F80-937A-1CEBB7A7ED52-9119-000008206B0465B9.jpg)
This part is hard to photograph by yourself so ill let the picture do the talking.
You only have maybe 20 secs to get it strapped down and bent before the wood is too cool to achieve the bend.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/42F187B0-8F71-44AF-ACF3-797978649269-9119-000008184A900395.jpg)
And here's with dry heat
Clamp the stave down, hold the heat gun 3-4" away(yew needs good deep heat)
Moving the gun up and down and i apply minimal pressure as to not lift any splinter or fracture the wood.(which did happen anyways)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/CB63F74D-9606-491D-B886-2A67CB36E33B-9119-0000081855A468C3.jpg)
The. I applied one clamp at a time to achieve the bend :)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/577A86E7-DEC1-4DFC-924A-709D9442D737-9119-00000818605EEDB6.jpg)
Damp towels to not only cool the wood but to bring the mc back to a good level.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/09F488D7-D40F-4200-BD63-3C0AEAD9B6B0-9119-000008186A4B0304.jpg)
Okay after that has set over night I unclamp and were sitting pretty :)
Now I flip it over to the belly and make the rings feather in towards the middle of the stave and remove a safe amount of wood to get a decent enough floor tiller
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D301C179-9C67-4E71-8249-7DD75519D9CB-9119-000008187319FC8F.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/FC183F38-3271-4527-937C-BCCF9F71EF43-9119-0000081889EA6EED.jpg)
Well... She's starting to bend a bit next up temporary nocks.
-Pinecone
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Rock n roll!!!!!! loving the detaild photo session ;D
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I noticed some of the pictures got messed up and out of order I will fix those tomorrow :)
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this is a great build along i have already learned some new stuff from it. thanks. :)
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Pretty nice.....Chasing the 40 ring per inch ring down was impressive.Nice job.Pictures look fine.Now this one will be pretty much all heartwood?
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Good stuff, Bryce. If you're gonna post a ton of pics maybe downsize the less important ones to save bandwith................?
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Nice...I'm taking notes 8) 8)
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Looks like you're staying after it bud! I hope it turns out good. It'll be a lively shooter with the sinew!
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I really appreciate you taking the time to put this together. I'm learning a lot.
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Pretty nice.....Chasing the 40 ring per inch ring down was impressive.Nice job.Pictures look fine.Now this one will be pretty much all heartwood?
Yep all heartwood :)
I chased a ring on a 60rpi .... Took 2 days and on the last 6" I cut in to deep.... I was mad, but I left it lol
Good stuff, Bryce. If you're gonna post a ton of pics maybe downsize the less important ones to save bandwith................?
Sorry bud, can't do it. Gotta be detailed.
Looks like you're staying after it bud! I hope it turns out good. It'll be a lively shooter with the sinew!
It might snap in half. It's sister developed a vertical belly crack after a month of the sinew drying :(
this is a great build along i have already learned some new stuff from it. thanks. :)
I really appreciate you taking the time to put this together. I'm learning a lot.
Good deal! I'm glad :)
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Okay I like my nocks nice and simple. Though pegs nocks are more suited for a sinew backed bow.
I like this style.
I measure 1/2" from the end of the stave and mark a line all the way across
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/B4ADC5E9-2D7D-494A-8FBD-7121631926C3-9119-000008189F4B78F9.jpg)
Next I use the 45deg. Side of my square to draw a line down.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/7D1790BC-F889-40AA-B14D-EC51D94BC4CC-9119-00000818A660B041.jpg)
Then I take my coping saw and cut down as far and the blade is deep.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/12916CCB-07E6-4119-B531-5A41D0C28064-9119-00000818AC5ABEA3.jpg)
Then I do the same roughly a little less than 1/8" DOWN.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/E99CCCA4-7314-4B70-965F-6D1E9F6D1772-9119-00000818BC7B31BC.jpg)
Then I take the chisel and pop that piece out.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/5F6415E7-D9B1-4319-A0B9-204DF6B033D7-9119-00000818C4274D5F.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D80DFB74-CB69-44DA-9DBC-D07B29876A68-9119-00000818CF58FB4B.jpg)
Then clean it up with the 5/32" nock
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/4BE06314-B723-411E-8E08-E62AF8D5A606-9119-00000818D55A980C.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/12D0B6DD-18C6-43A2-B724-3192C3FD8422-9119-00000818DC5A856E.jpg)
-Pinecone
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this process seems strikingly familiar ::) i like your method of doing things, especially over my own.
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Yeah! Starting to get some life in it! Seeing the rings on this yew this should turn out real nice.
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Yeah! Starting to get some life in it! Seeing the rings on this yew this should turn out real nice.
Yes usually denser heartwood yew is darker. The highest density of yew I ever tested was .78 I haven't had any lab time to check this specific piece (plus I'm not that interested in knowing lol)
But if its darker it's probably denser.
Yes life is pouring Into her, as soon as I get some more time ill get her to bend a little more before the sinewing the patch layer. The. Everyone can throw stones at me :)
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The stone throwers have no life so just feel sorry for them. By the way, how do you know the stave is female? O:)
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I just know. We have a connection 8)
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I'm liking it Bryce, keep it coming. Danny
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On your heat bending the tips.Do you temper the steam bent one with dry heat too[and how soon is that done after steam bending?] or is your bend far enough to the tip that it should'nt pull out being steam bent?
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On your heat bending the tips.Do you temper the steam bent one with dry heat too[and how soon is that done after steam bending?] or is your bend far enough to the tip that it should'nt pull out being steam bent?
Nope no tempering. I did over bend each end bc I'm expecting them to pull out just a bit. And corrections can be made later.
On the side I did with dry heat I used just enough heat to bend.
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Okay on this sinew job I'm going to try the commercial hide glue. But I do highly recommend Knox gelatin. 1/4cup warm water/packet. Consistency matching a lite syrup.
Tools and materials.
The ladies brownie pan... Sshhhhh ;) hide glue, acetone
A knife, sinew shredding comb, a hair comb, sinew and of course a bow stave roughly tillered or even fully tillered.
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I take my knife, rasp or hack saw blade. To LIGHTLY make longitudinal scuff marks the full length of the bow.
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Then remove all dirt and oil left behind by my fingers.
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Okay let's shred some sinew. This is back strap sinew it's a little easier to shed then leg sinew.
I grab the 3 pieces that are all similar in length and spin it in my hand to loosen up the fibers.
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Then take it over to the sinew shredding comb and rip the fibers apart, and spin in the hand the fray up the ends and eventually pull apart by hand and sort into piles according to size. Always shred more than you need.
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Next I like to soak my sinew in LUKE warm water, better to be colder then too warm. For 10-15 mins.
this relaxes the sinew and makes it easier to stretch out before applying.
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Next I take some warm water and lightly dampen the back. This helps raise the fibers in the wood.
Then size the bow with the his glue I mixed with warm water the a light syrup consistency.
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The steam keeps the glue nice and warm a small crock pot works just as good
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I did mix up more just didn't document the process bc I forgot lol.
Sizing a light layer of glue.
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It's really cold in my shop so the glue is gelling too fast but still too much glue is not a good thing, push all the excess off.
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Then I pull out 10-15 strands at a time to make up a bundle. Pull and stretched the sinew out then dipped and squeezed in the hide glue removing all the excess glue.
Then comb it out and apply.
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The first course is the most important. And I'm a bit anal about over lapping fibers anyways.
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Then I smoothed it out with a wooden dowel.
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I do straight down the center slightly overlapping each bundle.
And stagger the side courses like laying down bricks.
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Once done I take a piece of parchment paper (NOT wax paper)
Place them over the recurved ends and wrap, so while the fibers shrink they don't left up.
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Now I place the stave in a room set to 70ish deg. The next morning I took individual fibers and filled any gaps.
Okay I put the bow away and I'll pull it out in a week to get 2 1/5 more courses :)
-Pinecone
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Update, overnight the bow (stiff floor tiller) has pulled 3/4" of reflex.
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Bryce, when you size the back of the bow, how long do you wait before you start laying down the sinew? Does the glue have to dry at all or is the reason for sizing just to make certain the wood is saturated and doesn't absorb all of the glue away from the sinew?
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The sizing of the back insures the glue is thoughouly secured in the fibers of the wood. The warm water opened up the pores, swells the fibers and thins the glue to get as much penatration as possible.
By the time I put the sinew down the sizing was tacky.
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Atta boy!
I have the exact same 5 gallon pot and electric burner, but a different cinder block!
I have been threatening to do a bild alng sinew job where I show how to comb the sinew to get the best possible alignment of fibers, but you did it for me! Thanks for saving me the work.
Yup, this is gonna be interesting. I'm filling my two largest buckets with irregular sized rocks as we speak! This may be fun!
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Oooooh what kind of rocks?!
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Just hard, sharp, pointy ones that are totally unfit for knapping! ;D
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Just hard, sharp, pointy ones that are totally unfit for knapping! ;D
For some reason I don't believe you.... :o
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man is it coming along! i haven't even started a new one yet! (need to get a new tillering tree)
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Fine job :)
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Great job, and the pictures and instructions are clear and concise....I'm really enjoying this build along.
Dave
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I am really enjoying this build along as well Bryce! You make it look easy! I'm kinda inspired to try my own sinew backed bow project.
Great job!
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This is a fine build along, cheers!!
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Hey, dude, I'm a bit late to this party.
Great build along...
I'm a bit worried as you seem to have strange fibrous stuff growing out of your head :o... I have a vague recollection of having something similar about 30 years ago, but can't quite put my finger on it.
Do you have a source for that stuff, I reckon it might make a good bowstring or backing >:D
Del
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Thank you gentlemen it's not as easy as it looks but it's also not too difficult.
Sinew is magical stuff.
Well Dave, if it survives we'll do some shootin'
Yes the fibers coming out of my head just don't seem to stop, it's an odd adaptation.
But it keeps my ears warm :)
Lol my sister cuts my hair but lately she was too pregnant to cut it, and now she doesn't have enough time with the baby... So I just let it go :D
-Pinecone
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Looking great Bryce. Very good buildalong ;)
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Bryce how does the store bought hide glue dry compared to what you mix.
Rob
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Thanks Keenan
Bryce how does the store bought hide glue dry compared to what you mix.
Rob
It seems to dry all the same, no faster, no slower.
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Great build along. Cant wait to see the finished product. Good to see your getting some use out of that knife.
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Loving this build along!!
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This is coming along real nice Bryce. Can't wait for that sinew to cure.
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Great build along. Cant wait to see the finished product. Good to see your getting some use out of that knife.
It's a very well made knife ;)
Loving this build along!!
Yep it's getting there.
This is coming along real nice Bryce. Can't wait for that sinew to cure.
Next week I'll finish up the sinew, then a month to go... :(
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Very nice Bryce.Explanations,pictures,and process.Thanks for sharing that.I don't use a shredder just keep rippin it smaller and smaller,but that shredder looks like a good gadget to have around.I love watching sinew do its' work.Especially when shooting holding reflex etc.You are'nt gonna reverse her any huh?That's ok.One other thing though.....You crown the center some don't you?And how much sinew did you use with this one?Again nice work.She'll be a good one.
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I'm going to tiller it to about 25" then reverse brace the last 2.5 (maybe more) courses. That way it's nice and even, for the most part.
I'm not sure how much sinew I put on. My goal is to bring the neutral plane to the very back of the wood. So I'm just going on what feels right.
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Excellent work so far look forward to following along with this one Bryce!
Josh
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Hey thanks josh where yah been?
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LOVE this build along. THANKS for sharing. I've never sinew backed a bow but have been wanting to. What are your thoughts about the tite bond hide glue? I've heard it wasn't good for backing bows??? ??? I have seen another build along online and the guy used the same stuff. Seemed to turn out ok for him. I really hope it works. Looks like an awesome bow.
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I see.Rewetting the back with more courses after tillering to 25" then reversing it will accomplish the same thing.No matter what order it's done.That sinew is some easily manipulated wonderful working stuff.It's kind of a long haul but the rewards are worth it.I'm waiting on a couple of bows to cure here too myself.A maple and a dogwood.
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I don't think it's the greatest idea to bend the bow and then go back and reverse brace and add more sinew. You're telling the stave one thing as far as neutral plane location and then changing it.
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LOVE this build along. THANKS for sharing. I've never sinew backed a bow but have been wanting to. What are your thoughts about the tite bond hide glue? I've heard it wasn't good for backing bows??? ??? I have seen another build along online and the guy used the same stuff. Seemed to turn out ok for him. I really hope it works. Looks like an awesome bow.
From what I have heard and can see for myself it works all the same.
I see.Rewetting the back with more courses after tillering to 25" then reversing it will accomplish the same thing.No matter what order it's done.That sinew is some easily manipulated wonderful working stuff.It's kind of a long haul but the rewards are worth it.I'm waiting on a couple of bows to cure here too myself.A maple and a dogwood.
When the Koreans make the horn bows they reverse brace more per course they do.
I don't think it's the greatest idea to bend the bow and then go back and reverse brace and add more sinew. You're telling the stave one thing as far as neutral plane location and then changing it.
Yes pat you are correct. Sorry I should have said 25" on the long string. It wount be enough to throw the stave for a loop. And even it was fully tillered adding the sinew would still change the neutral plane.
I dont see much difference.
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It depends if you want to try for optimal performance. The idea of sinew backing seems to be to change the neutral plane all at once rather than stressing the belly and then trying to get more wood working in compression after a section of wood has already been overstressed potentially.
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I agree. That's why I'm not gonna over stress the stave.
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Hey Bryce been working 7 days a week and dont have much time to get on the net but I plan on checking up on this build ;D
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Probably means you dot have time to build bows either.
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Alright since it's 19 degrees outside and in the shop, I decided to move the operation inside for these 2 courses.
Ok I cut 2 blocks 2" high and reverse braced the stave with a clamp.
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These bundles are a bit larger than before so they can cover the width of the stave.
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All done for now
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For the next 3-4 weeks I will continue to fill in any gaps and imperfections.
Another note, I can not say enough good things about this titebond hide glue:)
See yah in month :D
-Pinecone
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That'll be a dandy.
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Looking great Bryce. Glad to see you showing efforts to keep the sinew strands laid on striaght.
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That some fine work your doing there Bryce. I'm following along and learning a lot, well done build along man. Never done a sinew backed bow, thats if you don't count the one blotched and pathetic attempt on a piece of osage thats now just been resting in my
hotbox for 2 1/2 years. I have plenty of sinew around and maybe I'll learn enough here to do it right next time. Thanks for posting
this.
Greg
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Nice work so far, Bryce. I'm looking forward to the final tillering!
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Looking great Bryce. Glad to see you showing efforts to keep the sinew strands laid on striaght.
I second that. Im one of those wierd-o's that believes sinew works better if its all tyed together in a smooth matrix as opposed to a lumpy, gappy mess.
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hey thanks for all the nice replies. checked it this morning, still a little damp and the clamp came off so i had to redo that.
seems no matter how hard it try theres always gonna be little gaps in the sinew. just got to keep on top of it.
Chris your not a weirdo your a "has to be done right the first time" type of guy. and i respect that.
i want to give your dog comb technique a try one of these days :D
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might be done by the 16th 8) ;D ;)
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That some fine work your doing there Bryce. I'm following along and learning a lot, well done build along man. Never done a sinew backed bow, thats if you don't count the one blotched and pathetic attempt on a piece of osage thats now just been resting in my
hotbox for 2 1/2 years. I have plenty of sinew around and maybe I'll learn enough here to do it right next time. Thanks for posting
this.
Greg
Hey you can always remove the sinew and try again if its that bad :)
Nice work so far, Bryce. I'm looking forward to the final tillering!
Ah yes the tillering ... The process that stresses me out the most :)
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Great build along! Almost as good as being there. I may have missed something Bryce. What's the pros and cons of doing the sinew, then reflex with blocks and then adding the second layer of sinew. compared to: blocking, puting on the first layer, letting it dry and then the second layer also while it's in reflex?
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I wanted to put down a good solid/unstrained fountational layer.
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Alright here she is holding 2" of reflex.
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Now it's time to smooth out the sinew.
I take my knife/scrapper, to take out the high bumps. Then smooth out with a block and 150G.
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Then I take a damp cloth and wipe down the sinew and this makes the frayed ends lay back down.
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All smooth
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Next step, tillering.
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Sweeeeet!!!
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This will be interesting, wheres this bows home going to be? bow trade? your house? someone else you are making one for?
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Good to see the sinew back build along progressing to the next stage, been waiting for this. Looks just perfect now with that sinew dried
and the reflex revealed. Still watching and learning Pinecone.
Greg
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Looking goooood.Should be a good springy bugger.Now 1 more course right?Ha Ha Ha.
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Looking awesome Bryce. Is that going to be the trade bow for me???? >:D
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Sorry guys, Bryce will be carrying that bow whilst elk hunting. Then, when I'm ready for the shot, he will hand me that bow with an arrow at the ready and I'll take my shot. 8)
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Sorry guys, Bryce will be carrying that bow whilst elk hunting. Then, when I'm ready for the shot, he will hand me that bow with an arrow at the ready and I'll take my shot. 8)
Bryce are you two-timing me?! You said you were going to carry MY sinew-backed pinecone bow during elk hunting. ;D
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Graham, I'm gonna try my hardest to hang on the this one. It has big plans and while its been drying Ive had time to think about how I want to finish it.
BB, yeah it's still moving. I don't want to rush though that how bows come underweight or break.
Beadman, no more sinew for this one I have 3 1/2 thick courses on. Don't want to have a sluggish bow.
Keenan, if I draw your name I have an idea on what I'll make you :) but I'm trying to rebuild my arsenal. You can't live on the west coast and not have a yew bow on your rack. It's embarrassing!
Steve, if you bow can't do the job I'll gladly let you use it :P
I'll be packing (hopefully) this bow and you'll be packing my elk, got it boy!
Carson, I ain't 2 timin no one!
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Watching and Learning...
Thank you for doing the build along!
-gus
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>:( What a waste of good coffee ;)
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Bryce, Even though you're just wetting it down on the back do you wait very long to be sure that it dried back up or just till it feels dry by touch? Thanks!
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This is one great build along. Keep it up it's looking great. Learning a lot.
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Nice job dude. I've been watching intently and learning. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
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I'm glad ppl are learning. Bow making is a constant learning process no matter how many bows you've made.
Ryoon, the damp towel was just to lay down the flayed fibers and pick up the dust. It will sit in a warm room until Iam ready to tiller. It was dry a minute or so.
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I am looking forward to some more progress on this one. Do you wait for the stave to stop pulling reflex before you tiller?
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That's a hard question to answer. I want to say yes, but it will continue to dry for up to a year. And as it dries it might pull a little more. But it's not that big a deal.
Could be 55# one day and then 57# the next then 2 days later be 55# again, all depends on the atmosphere, and the relative humidity. If I took it to the west coast of South America it might pull 65#. But I digress.
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Nice work , m8, like the accuracy u put the sinew on! Looking forward to seeing more!
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okay im a little behind schedule but thats okay, dont want to rush. now that the homework is done i can get to work :D
okay time to start tillering
2 main rules to tillering.
1-do not pull past final goal weight.
2-do not pull past a noticeably weak, or strong spot.
breaking these simple rules can result in excess set or a broken bow.
alright here she is on the long string.
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okay let start working the stave.
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alright its looking good so we'll take it a little further
i like to set a little level on the top, because sometimes its hard to tell which limb is just a tad stronger and this makes it easy.
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alright there are a couple stiff spots i will remove a little bit of wood with a scrapper then smooth it back up with some 150G then lightly exercise the stave, this way you teach the wood to bend.
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i make marks where wood needs to be removed.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/28CA9365-E9AB-475D-9856-CA855E2C3958-1033-000000A232DE212C.jpg)
okay now that we've gotten to this point its time to take the long string off and get it on a low 4" brace. the long string hides alot of faults in the bend.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/307932C8-51A2-4F85-9FB5-D936F5757295-1033-000000A23F48F135.jpg)
heres what she looks like now. i can see that the braced profile is off so ill sand and lightly exercise until it looks right
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/AF072EE3-65ED-4411-9D45-1DDDF6C54976-1033-000000A2065FD45F.jpg)
okay im not going to document each and every progressive bend, but i make it a habit to make the bottom limb a little bit strong.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/67AD875C-0454-4491-8DCB-3D68B458567D-1033-000000A1D7AE2DD3.jpg)
heres what it looks like a full draw 53#@28"
the bow soaked up alot of moisture in the shop since the relative humidity was 98%
after tillering i let the bow sit for 3-7 days (even w/o a backing, selfbow ect.) then check the tiller again. but its not a bow yet. she needs to be shot 25 times, then check the tiller and make adjustments if need be. and repeat about 4 times.
to be continued......
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Lookin' sweet, buddy! Can't wait to see it action.
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That's looking really good Bryce. It should gain some weight as it drys out more.
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Wow that is turning out great. Gonna be a great bow fo sho!!!!!
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May have to take a trip down river this week to see this in person!
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Looking fine Brycey.
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Bryce, it is looking really good. Keep up the good work. Jawge
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Thanks guys, still a long ways to go yet. But coming down the home stretch :)
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Looking mighty fine there Bryce.
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For some reason I have not been keeping up on this build and just saw it again today. Very timely, for me since I just started a sinew job of my own (my first.)
This was great info and really reinforced what Pearl Drums described as his method. Main thing I see is that I need to lay some more courses. I didn't get near enough sinew on the back. Otherwise, you have done a super job of explaining and photographing the process.
Thanks much
Scott
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That's absolutely rad, thanks for the build along. I'll be using it when I teach my Tribe to make their West Coasters
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Nice patient work Bryce.She's looking like a dandy although I'd like to see a little more reflex......LOL.She'll still shoot lites out for ya.Long haul those sinewed bows.
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That's absolutely rad, thanks for the build along. I'll be using it when I teach my Tribe to make their West Coasters
What tribe?
Nice patient work Bryce.She's looking like a dandy although I'd like to see a little more reflex......LOL.She'll still shoot lites out for ya.Long haul those sinewed bows.
If the stave was cleaner trust me there would be more :)
Glad ppl are enjoying this thread.
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Good to see this build progressing. That s a great looking tiller there Bryce, gonna be a really nice bow.
Greg
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Looks great Bryce. Surprisingly light weight with the thickness of sinew. I was impressed how smooth you got it too. Can't wait to shoot it! ;)
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Right on Pinecone!
Thanks for the free lessons.
I followed this cloesly on my first ever sinew job but it somehow doesn't look quite like yours ??? :o
Are you still impressed with the liquid hide glue? That's what I used.
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Dubois, it's a good glue. Doesn't shrink like Knox. But I'm guessing it all works the same.
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I'm Hanis Coos, of Coos Bay. We're Confederated with the Siuslaw and Lower Umpqua
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I'm Hanis Coos, of Coos Bay. We're Confederated with the Siuslaw and Lower Umpqua
My grandmother is umpqua :)
I'll be doing a west coast bow here pretty soon. I'll keep you updated :)
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That is lookin sharp Bryce! Very nice! Josh
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Nice! Something must have drawn us old souls back to the art :) Are you Lower like Reedsport up 38 or Upper area like Cow Creek area or do you know? That's cool man I'm lookin forward to it. :D
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Nice! Something must have drawn us old souls back to the art :) Are you Lower like Reedsport up 38 or Upper area like Cow Creek area or do you know? That's cool man I'm lookin forward to it. :D
My grandmother and I aren't related by blood lol.
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I don't think that always matters :) Only thing they use blood quantum for is livestock dogs and us Indians
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Like everyone has said. Looking real good! Thanks again for doing this.
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I don't think that always matters :) Only thing they use blood quantum for is livestock dogs and us Indians
When you teach are you teaching with a measuring tape or my hand lengths and finger widths?
Thank you arrowind.
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Last class was 27 people so I did the three finger wide, shove the thumb down for the nock, handle 1/8+ thicker and less wide. Seemed to work so far :) Might have wanted a bit more on the nocks I was thinkin after the fact, it was kinda funny though, people started rasping and looking at me like "are you serious?" O:) And that's how I looked back at them. Didn't go with the Ishi length measurement though the blanks were precut out of some rough sawn yew lumber the tribe has cached. The grain is not at all optimal but I think it'll work if it's sinew backed early on. Just gotta get somethin shooting. They got Yew wood for their first bows....I know....I tried to impress the honor. You'd be more than welcome to come sometime and share your knowledge man, I'd like to meet ya. I'm in Eugene
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Sounds like a road trip in the works! I'll ride in the back! I mead all the help I can get. When do we get the next steps on this yew stave Bryce?
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That sounds like fun coos.
Well Dan I've actually got alot of it done I'm just waiting on someone, who will remain nameless, to send me a present :) but he's out having fun and my present won't be here for a week or so.
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I checked the weight this morning. She's pulling 58#@28" now. Which is just about right :)
Time to get rid of these heavy tips. It only takes a couple extra layers of wood to keep the end static.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/9F1C0821-6F80-4AB1-BE87-C86317D31B03-1201-00000161EA15CCE1.jpg)
It's always a good idea to measure you tips to made sure there the same size through and through.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/DFF91BE6-78E0-4485-B081-95D90E53E9AC-1201-00000161E1C33205.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/90E55344-6BA9-4BA4-9571-2D1466744379-1201-00000161DAA75CD5.jpg)
Alright now it's about time to make these nocks look right.
I'll make to cuts on top with the coping saw.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/0770CA66-C858-43E0-9B55-8D03F07CF5EC-1201-000001617B66F824.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/9E4CEDCA-D034-49D9-A462-EBE45F8E00F2-1201-00000161760B0855.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/F456D553-D08C-4F17-8AD3-FBF33D258889-1201-000001617069F86B.jpg)
And flip it on the side. Following the same 45 deg. Angle as the nock.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/0B4BABF7-E487-4B49-8F8C-156A4CCDFC2A-1201-000001616B5A64B1.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/E295BB52-E8E0-4EAC-B4EF-06E4D0B8650D-1201-000001616635BB3D.jpg)
Round it off with a soft rasp.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/14335595-C984-4A41-8585-3178A1CEA0E1-1201-000001615ACF4980.jpg)
Sand it up and make it transition smooth.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/9B9A70CD-FA54-4C3B-AB8F-50B08690E7A6-1201-000001614FE11B0B.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/6FED3A58-7050-46AC-B894-4A6DAAE5812C-1201-000001613F2D8CF1.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/4CD4B34F-D314-4111-994B-941FFE29D0C9-1201-00000161395EC417.jpg)
Next up, handle base layer...
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:o :o :o :o :o :o
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Makin' it look way too simple Bryce. Great job!
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Ok let's open our tbb vol.1 to pg 293 :P :D
This John Strunk trick is used by alot of bow makers. It's very useful for making a bendy handle bow feel more comfortable in the hand. Also useful in stiff handled bows.
Okay I picked up a large bag of rawhide dog chews and I cut them to size.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/1B7CA213-A3FA-4969-84CB-4BC0667EFA61-3181-0000034F7D1BD08E.jpg)
Then I take 2 and glue them together.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/84E01342-838E-4708-BED0-6ACC9CD0C4EB-3181-0000034EFC10EB6C.jpg)
Then shape it on the belt sander
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/C4AD4B0F-9B8E-47BF-B61B-0CA6636980FB-3181-00000344B3A2E5DA.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/14040F2A-C97B-4AB3-A695-BEC742BFF9E5-3181-00000344CA218386.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/164B5803-53F2-4B85-988D-8E3C58D7C295-3181-00000344D315390C.jpg)
I made another thinner one for the bottom.
Okay them I glue them bad boys on and let them dry over night.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/06E6873D-E60C-4502-BB7F-7F5E1CA9C5BB-3181-000003455C957583.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/27C36FCE-BCE6-4BA4-802A-31FCADDEE627-3181-0000034564E72851.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/C39D61C9-ECAF-45AC-BD0C-51E8857DD021-3181-000003456B98763A.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/FA5719AB-86D3-418C-9479-588FFC174A99-3181-0000034572002195.jpg)
Then I take the soft rasp and shape and contour the rawhide.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A52D606D-CD02-426F-80AE-A1B4DB23E726-3181-0000034577E79323.jpg)
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To make the transition between the wood and rawhide more smooth and contoured
I'll bust into the tackle box and break out the sturgeon leader and super glue.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/1CFD8E4B-7543-4439-BBC2-B3E21AFABCC4-3181-0000034585F64D61.jpg)
Wrap it up, and take the super glue an make a line of glue from one end to the other. On both sides, to keep it from moving or slippin around.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/B0C12EBB-6529-43BB-B887-8A62A5C522F4-3181-000003458D81325E.jpg)
Arrow rest.
I really like using a golf tee bc it's easy and preshaped.
But on this bow I was thinking of doing one out of a scrap piece of yew.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/C9FB9DC1-459B-4B8E-A28F-C7291785C3BA-3181-0000034553957B2D.jpg)
I'll cut off a 2" section and using the rasp, belt sander and sanding paper, shape the arrow rest.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/1802910A-E429-4B4D-A403-0ED57E97CCB1-3181-00000344E4D36164.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/74E10E81-2CD2-4ED1-A801-0BB0D3F9C870-3181-00000344EDB0C9F1.jpg)
Okay I want a little heartwood and a little sapwood.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/96E6DADE-673A-47B6-9F69-5C39BB4095AD-3181-00000344F996BCCC.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A70632E9-5C90-470E-9380-AC81556A05A2-3181-00000345027F2CD3.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D94396A7-0EC5-4D0B-B7EF-FEBF93B80E65-3181-0000034542A3002B.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/E117F5D9-791D-48CE-9B9D-C883A4640078-3181-000003450CE7C1E3.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/09CFF033-4A14-488A-90CA-7A09DD1E24FB-3181-000003453ADB5CCF.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/8B0E2AA1-D16D-46BF-BCDA-732130FA4E8C-3181-0000034515375A2D.jpg)
Make the top nice and flat
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Okay I use some gel super glue and glue it down the the sturgeon leader. Then film the side gaps with the glue.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/3C5FCB12-0D8A-4503-91F2-F48EB9AB9C20-3181-0000034596727D8B.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/CA1035F2-98AF-4025-A8A4-1D05896456C5-3181-00000345A0C62C50.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/4B593AFD-AB1E-4453-A534-046490BB9BA3-3181-00000345A940A05F.jpg)
Alright next up skins.
To be continued...
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Great work Bryce. Thanks for the labor of love to document each step so carefully. I think this bows gonna be special.
Gabe
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Great info, Pinecone. I can't wait for the next installment!!
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Its as much work snapping pics and documenting everything as it is to make the bow. Good job Brycey.
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Nice technique Bryce.This can be sort of the fun part of the build depending on how you look at it.At least for me the tough part would already be done.Sinewing,tillering etc.
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Looking good, Bryce. You should start a yew golf tee business! 8)
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Great idea! How much for a dozen sinew backed yew golf tees?
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Yeah it takes much longer when you have to take pictures.
I'd rather just make that darn thing and be done with it so I can take it out and shoot stuff.
Either way I'm waiting on some skins to get here.
Beadman, the finish work is my second favorite part of bow making. First is doing sinew work:)
Jw, you only want a dozen?
Yew golf tee buissness? Would swiftwood sell them on there bows? 8)
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That's really looking nice can't wait to see it finished.
Rob
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That's really looking nice can't wait to see it finished.
Rob
Thank rob.
I'm chomping at the bit, buddy!
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got a message, someone asking for the weight before the handle stuff was put on. i thought someone would ask so i weighed it just in-case :D im not a mass principle junky, but iam curious.
it weighed; 16.2 oz.
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great build along! i learnt some thing from this for when i start making bows again. thanks pinecone! ;D ;D ;D D
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Yeah took her out to the desert for a cat/jackrabbit hunt, got her shot in really good and I'm try and finish this thing in a few days :)
Glad your enjoying.
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Lookin awesome Pinecone, keep 'em com in
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I got to see this bow up close over the weekend and I can say you all are in for a real treat when he gets some finish on this beauty. She sits out a very quick arrow and is certainly a looker as well. The butter smooth draw, great profile, and attention to detail, made me very impressed with this young mans skills as a bowyer
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Hey thank you so much Keenan! That morning when it was 17 deg. I swear she was pulling and extra 10lbs! I was having a hard time getting her to full draw.
Thanks again for showing us some of your spots, you really have an eye for obsidian flakes :)
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I had the pleasure of shooting this bow this weekend and shoots as sweet as it looks. I really love the design on this bow, and fully intend to copy it! Thanks Bryce, I am now looking at yew heart wood splits in a whole new light. 8)
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String twisted and served by Carson Brown @ Echo Archery
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having a bondfire there are we! >:D
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Oh great! Now one limb of the bow is toasted and the other isn't! Or did CMB flip limbs to finish serving the string?
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Lets put some skin on this bow (yep it's finally a bow)
I used a spirit based black leather dye on the sinew, the skin is very slightly transparent and this way it will better bring out the bone flakes in the Sturgeon skin, graciously provided by Keenan Howard.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/3B5C62F0-3219-425E-88F1-ADB1946085E3-1697-00000189DC0C8CED.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/607F4590-89F6-432C-BFED-D85083B7E832-1697-00000189E1D3E300.jpg)
I really like the dark top part of the skin so I'll cut it off with some scissors
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Yep that's drywall tape.
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Sturgeon skin is very tough and in my opinion is stronger than rawhide. It feels like thin horn.
I roughed up the back with 80G paper and then rolled them up and soaked then for about 5 mins in warm water.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/D2493A7E-AFD6-4899-BCE6-8C0FEDB7A019-1697-00000189C37AC1A3.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/61D4B7BF-9212-4A4B-9806-B653AB35F4A1-1697-00000189B6275FE3.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/4FC5897E-3C72-4738-A6DB-DBFAAC70C40A-1697-00000189B0970022.jpg)
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While those soak I'll size the back of the sinew with warm hide glue.
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Once the skins are done there nice and pliable, like wet paper. Pat em dry with a towel.
I'll wipe it down with aceton. Once that's done I take the hide glue and rub it into the skin. And then wipe the excess glue off with my fingers.
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/393DEF5A-A5D0-4153-9699-CC6E4E0EB8FA-1697-00000189955DA9C1.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/7100F3EB-29D5-443C-8D6D-0CB4F491BA86-1697-000001898FA417C0.jpg)
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Then I laid it on the back wrapped it with the drywall tape. Rubbed out any air bubbles and smoothed it out. And just to make sure I wrapped a bike inner tube I cut down its length. then an hour later removed the rubber and left the drywall tape on overnight.
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/0A066DAB-8662-492B-AEB7-50B68944A6EC-1697-0000018961568423.jpg)
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The next day I unwrapped it and cut off the excess.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/2CB53227-09C6-4567-9777-AF16213635FC-1697-000001895BA41213.jpg)
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/07241CB7-10C0-4834-ABCA-5012A0CABE04-1697-000001894B96216D.jpg)
Then with a file and a sanding block carefully remove the bits of glue and skin left behind.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/E26B400E-497E-4CA5-A2A2-3E73B7997050-1697-0000018942068001.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A8E39F89-C878-4BCA-9A68-70E2CCA4E301-1697-0000018946A1A626.jpg)
Then sealed up the ends with some CA glue, and smoothed it out.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/A1B31BA1-B1E5-4C14-BEF7-CCC2DDF738EE-1697-0000018937EEF6AB.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/9B32E80D-9641-4302-B04C-C98CF7542D76-1697-0000018931179EA6.jpg)
There's how it turned out.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/87478F30-7F0C-41B5-B55E-E73CBA3F24F8-1697-0000018955F2AF5C.jpg).
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The sides of the skins didn't turn out so hot. So lets get out the paint.
And paint the edges.
This is an acrylic enamel paint, works pretty good.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/ED33C390-6120-4324-B91C-9F68412EF320-1697-000001892D2849F2.jpg)
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/1341C344-A74E-47E5-94E2-18AE12243D39-1697-00000189135AE601.jpg)
Once it's dry.
Then I'll clean up the edges with some fine sanding paper.
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/3D96402B-76A3-487F-86CC-E44A81AC43EA-1697-000001890E4D6253.jpg)
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To be continued
-Pinecone
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Can't wait to see it finished. Almost there buddy! And next time we go shooting, try and remember to bring your string! ;D
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Can't wait to see it finished. Almost there buddy! And next time we go shooting, try and remember to bring your string! ;D
Haha no kidding lol!!! I found it when I got home, was laying in the driveway. And had been run over so I tossed it. This echo string is way better anyways.
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Man, is that looking sweet! Is there anything special you do to keep the drywall tape from sticking? Have you found the TB hide glue to work as well as Knox gelatin? What's the shelf life on it?
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ive got to get me some yew!
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Adam, the tape doesn't stick enough to cause problems.
The tb hide glue is very good. I keep mine in the fridge when I'm not using it.
Graham, yeah bud go get some. Just do it legally.
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Wish i knew where to look. I have never seen a yew tree in person. I have heard that the forests have some, but i wonder if i would need a permit to cut it on public land.
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That Sturgeon is astrologically stunning my friend! I know you have something up your sleeve for the grand finally. Nice shoes by the way 8)
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That bow sure is a beauty Bryce.
Just a little note for those trying this. The drywall tape is self adhesive and works best if cut into skinny strips. I pull off about three feet and cut lengthwise into thirds. The narrow strips wont bunch up and you can get them a little tighter as you wrap. No need for the rubber wrap. The glues never stick and the tape allows the skins to breath and dry real well. This is by far the best method for fish skins that I have found
Bryce, You can also use lower portion of the skin for another bow. They are even more transparent as I'm sure you can see. Looks great over red or even green dye.
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That bow sure is a beauty Bryce.
Just a little note for those trying this. The drywall tape is self adhesive and works best if cut into skinny strips. I pull off about three feet and cut lengthwise into thirds. The narrow strips wont bunch up and you can get them a little tighter as you wrap. No need for the rubber wrap. The glues never stick and the tape allows the skins to breath and dry real well. This is by far the best method for fish skins that I have found
Bryce, You can also use lower portion of the skin for another bow. They are even more transparent as I'm sure you can see. Looks great over red or even green dye.
Good note Keenan!
I had to use the rubber and bc there where a couple bubbles that I had a hard time getting out so I used the rubber as a helper.
The lower part might go on a bow I'm making for a friend, but I usually stay undecided until the last minute :)
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it's good to see a diffrence to snake skins. :P BD
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Truly Bryce that is a great job and a great build along :)
Thank you
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Thanks BD, and Kip.
Sorry this build along is taking so long :/ with school, work and trying to practice shooting time gets valuable.
I like to protect all the sinew I can and I really like thread wraps so I decided to to a couple red and black wraps. I'll just let the pictures talk. (Sealed the thread with some CA glue)
Only the best silk should go on any bow ;)
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/36AE0660-D87A-4039-A26B-D3BB975112D1-3619-000003E12D6A9664.jpg)
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Then smooth it up a bit
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On the ends I did a red border and the rest I will wrap black all the way to the nocks.
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/772D8447-E116-4111-843C-71D703F72224-3619-000003E13E8EAFE5.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/DAC9CC1F-BBD1-41C4-B9A4-7F03740FB19E-3619-000003E146A5E825.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/89C92442-6D91-4791-B279-C8EB77251CEA-3619-000003E15457AF32.jpg)
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And what's a bow without a half dozen matching arrows :)
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To be continued...
-Pinecone
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thats an amazing bow and arrows!
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Looking fabulous! :-* ;) This is top shelf work my friend, can't wait to see it.
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I really like the matching arrows.
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this build along has been great. and the bow turned out brilliant well done and thanks for taking the time to do this.
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Thanks guy :)
this build along has been great. and the bow turned out brilliant well done and thanks for taking the time to do this.
Oh it ain't over yet :)
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All I can say is WOW! I think sturgeon is my favorite backing yet since I got one of Keenan's sturgeon backed beauties (Thanks again Keenan) Now If I can just get it out of my son's hands LOL. I love the starry universe look to it. Pinecone tells us about your little serving/wrapping tool. Never seen one like that before. Is that homemade or something you can buy somewhere?
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All I can say is WOW! I think sturgeon is my favorite backing yet since I got one of Keenan's sturgeon backed beauties (Thanks again Keenan) Now If I can just get it out of my son's hands LOL. I love the starry universe look to it. Pinecone tells us about your little serving/wrapping tool. Never seen one like that before. Is that homemade or something you can buy somewhere?
Thanks buddy.yeah sturgeon is great stuff.
It's called a 'bobbin' it's a common tool for tying flies :)
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very well done. that is one sweet looking bow and I love the arrows to match. when I do my rawhide, or sturgeon backing i use self adhering ace bandages, they have the tension and when you wrap with the non adhesive side down, it doesnt stick to the backing bad and it keeps the tension so there is no need to add the rubber, it also doesnt slip or leave a bad pattern on the backing. just a thought. congrats on the great build and thanks for sharing.
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Impressive Bryce, great job. Those arrows really compliment the bow and I love the silk string addition. Can't wait to see this in action.
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Well JJ we all have our own way if doin stuff :)
I use the inner tube bc I got tired of having to go back and fix bubbles and what not, especially with cherry bark, bc its rather stiff. This way, for me, is good assurance that it stuck down. The ace bandage work great no argument there! :)
Thanks Dan-O well she was in action on a cat/wabbit hunt a week or so ago. The whole bow was literally frozen. I was standing in the cold one morning rubbing the belly trying to wake her up. When drawing the bow I could hear the sinew stretching and she was pulling ALOT of extra weight.
-Pinecone
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Great work Bryce! Looking really great!!
Josh
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Thanks josh
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Well like always I changed my mind.
Ditched the red.
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-Pinecone
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still sweet, but now your arrows dont match LOL >:D
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still sweet, but now your arrows dont match LOL >:D
They will. You'll see ;)
I don't even have the bow right now. One of my good friends has it, she's doing a doodle on the belly:)
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Really looking sharp.
Rob
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Looks awesome man, good call with the sturgeon, that's super rad! 8)
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Thanks coos! I get the bow back tomorrow. I think you'll appreciate it even more :)
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it's not a bow till we get to see it bend >:D, great looker , so far ::) bub
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it's not a bow till we get to see it bend >:D, great looker , so far ::) bub
Go back a few pages lol you'll see it on the tillering stick
Also, Keenan posted a full draw shot :P
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tillering stick don't count :P, didn't see Keenan's fd :laugh:
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http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,36946.690.html
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cool beans brice beautiful bend ;D
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I don't know about you guys but does it look like the bottom part of the lower limb needs to loosen up a bit?
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it look's good to these eyes
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I took the bow over to my friend Asia Murray's house so she could to a quick doodle for me :)
Sketched it out on paper, then using a pencil to transfer the image to the bow and then finally finishing it with a brush pen.
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Bear
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Salmon
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After that its time for a base coat of shellac. Shellac is a good foundation because it stick to ANYTHING.
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After about an hour I can start applying all 10 coats of Tru-Oil, applied with my fingers.
I'll do 3 coats then sand with 400G and repeat then coat #10
Then a nice wet scrub to give her a satin finish.
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And that's it!
-Pinecone
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58" NTN
55#@28"
It ain't perfect, but it shoots :)
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(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/bryceott/04364727-693A-44F6-9CE9-3530D1997BC0-9203-0000073DAEB2353D.jpg)
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Thanks for following :)
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please excuse me while i drool. VERY nice bow!
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Sweet!!!! :)
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That is one heck of a nice looking bow.
Rob
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Man, that turned out super nice!
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Tiller looks excellent! Nice indeed, not sure what if I like the white line u did on the sides but I sure like the fishs on the belly!
Great job, thanks for showing! Its always nice to follow this kind of buildalongs!
H
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Great job on that bow. It turned out beautiful, a real work of art. Thanks for the build-a-long.
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That was a very informative build, Bryce. The bow turned out awesome, too!! ;)
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Just shorted my keyboard out!
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Very helpful build along Bryce! Learned a lot and really enjoyed following your project. The bow is exceptional and has a true Pacific North West flair! Can't wait to see your next one!
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turned out great, i love everything about it, well done.
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Thoroughly enjoyed following the entire build. The end result is awesome! Love the drawings. Compliments to Asia.
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Hey thanks guys! Appreciate the feedback :)
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That bow turned out excellent Bryce. I am very much looking forward to seeing it in person!
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Thanks Gordon. One of these days well meet up at the range :)
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Added a couple more photos of the backing for yah :D
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Bow looks perfect to me Bryce. Perfection is highly over rated anyway. I follow the Wabi-Sabi aesthetic myself (acknowledging three simple realities: nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect) It also celebrates the appreciation of the ingenuous integrity of natural objects and processes.
That beautiful bow just screams Pacific NW.
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That bow is absolutely incredible! I love the artwork on it, it goes so well with the skins.
Grady
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Thanks Randman:) thought about writing,"Spirit of the Northwest" on the side or something but I ended up not doing that.
Thanks autologus!
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Love it bro! That bow has style! 8) ;)
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That's above and beyond Bryce. You done that piece of Yew justice.
Truly patient and excellent work.
Gabe
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Hey thanks Gabe, but I think if you seen me in the shop.... Well patients is t my thing lol.
But that's a very nice compliment thanks again! :)
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I really want some yew now. If that dosent make someone want to make shavings then there is something wrong with them :laugh: BD
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Aint perfect?
Where's the flaw? ;)
Thanks for the lessons and the beautiful bow!
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Bryce...that is some kinda beautiful! My hat is off to you young man! Absolutely stunning in every regard. Josh
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A+++++++++++++++ Bryce... That's a nock out :)
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Good job Brycey! That what a loooong project, but worth it Im sure. Nice skins!
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Striking bow Bryce, absolutely beautiful. Nicely done on the build along also, thanks for doing that for the rest of us.
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Wow! What more can I say? That bow is incredible Just beautiful! An absolute work of art! Bryce you are a real artist at your craft! Like someone else said that bow is classic Pacific Northwest!
Thanks for a great build along. Dale
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Bowdoc, thank you so much for the nice compliment. Yew is fantastic wood, deffinatly my favorite to work.
Dubios, thank you! I messed up the edge if the skins a bit. Not a big deal. I'm glad you like it:)
Gun doc, thanks bud!
Thanks alot kip! How's that VM bow holding up?
Pearly, too long if you ask me. I had to keep putting it aside to work on other projects that where more pressing. I'm glad you like it.
Badly bent, it was no problem I love sinew it's magical stuff. There are many ways to do it :) I'm glad you enjoyed the project.
Dmenz, thank you! I love the PNW it's been my home my whole life I couldn't imagine a better place to live. There's salmon and bears everywhere and everything you cut is bow wood :) couldn't ask for more!
Thanks again guys, I need to go deflate my ego now lol
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Oh....Hell....yeah....buddy
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Thanks again guys, I need to go deflate my ego now lol
Thats easy. Just keeping making bows ;)
Gabe
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GREAT WORK :D
that is a really really really nice bow.
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58" NTN
55#@28"
It ain't perfect, but it shoots :)
you Lie! ;D An absolutely beautiful bow!
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What a great piece of deadly art. Well done.
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Hey thanks gentlemen! Time to work on my trade bow now :)
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Bryce, you did that gnarly piece of yew right! Nice work Sir. Thanks for allowing me the pleasure of loosing some arrows off of that string. :)
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mighty fine bow there Bryce.
well, really more like WOW!
i dont care what anyone says about yew, it sure makes some good looking bows :)
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Bryce,
Absolutely , wonderful build along, all I can say is thanks for sharing. Beautiful bow.
Knapper
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Its already been said many times above but that's a stunner, very well done indeed. 8)
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Anytime Carson!
Thanks Sadie :)
Thanks knapper
Thank you dwardo
You guys are great, thanks for the compliments.
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great in all aspects!
Thank you for sharing and all the work
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Hey thanks a lot Simson!
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fine looking bow. ;)
Cipriano
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Cool bow Brice, I really like the artwork.
Kevin
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Thank you Cipriano
Thanks mr. Buffalo :)
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None better ;)
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Keep coming back for a look 8)
Cipriano
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Jeez, after 26 pages of inflating this guy's eago, can we just let it go?!?!?! After all, according to his neice, he's still a pinecone!
>:D
Congrats, kid!
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More like, "Pinenut"
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Jeez, after 26 pages of inflating this guy's eago, can we just let it go?!?!?! After all, according to his neice, he's still a pinecone!
>:D
Congrats, kid!
Agreed :) but thank you guys all the same:)
More like, "Pinenut"
Your a nut!
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Very nice yew bow Bryce with the extras.It was worth the wait.
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Hey Bryce the dry wall tape you used on your sturgeon skin looked like a good way to wrap that.It does have a liitle glue on the tape and am wondering if you've ever used it on thinner snake skins before.I've got some precious copperheads destined for a sinewed choke cherry I'm shooting in,and these skins are thin too.
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would work good, alllows the air to get to it and dry BUT if you wrap it too tight it will leave hash patterns. for snake skins i would lightly wrap it. it does have a little glue on it but not enough to stick hard to the skin.
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Hadn't been following this ,waiting on the finished product,I can say it was well worth the wait.Beautiful in all aspects from finish to tiller. :) Great job,very well done. :) :) Man these young guns are really raising the bar around here. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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Thank you mr. Pappy :)