Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: nlester on November 27, 2012, 03:51:18 pm
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I was wondering how many of you are blackpowder hunters. I've became really interested in it recently. Its very intriguing and has many similarities to primitive archer in my opinion. For those of you that do blackpowder hunt. I'm wanting advice on a good starter rifle. I really think I'd prefer to try my hand with a flintlock rather than a caplock. Any good advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Awesome question. I'm in the same boat. Most rifles are a bit pricey for me but I'm thinking about buying a pistol and joining the muzzleloading addiction...uh, hobby. ;D
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I hunt with BP and have several shotguns, inline and side x side, caplock and flintlock rifles, single shot and revolver pistols. Just my opinion but starting out I'd suggest a caplock. They are more forgiving in wet, nasty weather.
For a first time gun, and reasonnably priced it's hard to beat some of the side cap Traditions rifles.
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i've got an old juker that someone half assed assemblled and got in trade for a couple hours work, guy never shot it, i took it apart and put it together right , a cheap gun but it shoots real good, but some guys are more into names than i am, i'm to poor to be picky >:D, Bub
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Where and what are you hunting?
having hunted with flintlocks for over 30 years, I'd have to agree there is a difference between brands and styles, but if you're just wanting to give it a try then I dont think you'll see the difference. Buy the one that looks, feels, & costs nice to you. Then trade/upgrade if you decide you like it. With the right loads they all shoot straight.
You'll hear a lot of hype about the .50 caliber. IMO thats mostly from the inline crowd shooting sabots with pyrodex. Yes .50 is excellent and maybe ballistically better, but if you want to shoot eastern whitetails with black powder and a round ball, I like my .45 better than the .50, and for the bigger critters I use the .54. You cant go wrong with any of the 3 though, so I suggest you buy the caliber your buddy shoots. (same for the brand for that matter.)
Regarding Mullet's comment that caplocks are more reliable in the rain - the caribou, bear, deer, moose, & elk that I've shot while it was raining would disagree :) But yes, caplocks are better in the rain, especially for a noob. Think about why you want one and how you will hunt - if you are going full out and will hunt with it for a season regardless of the weather, then I'd probably agree you should start with a percussion. If you want the primitiveness and plan to hunt a few nice winter days, flintlocks are hard to beat.
hth.
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I was wondering how many of you are blackpowder hunters. I've became really interested in it recently. Its very intriguing and has many similarities to primitive archer in my opinion. For those of you that do blackpowder hunt. I'm wanting advice on a good starter rifle. I really think I'd prefer to try my hand with a flintlock rather than a caplock. Any good advice would be greatly appreciated!
You need to head over to Friendship, IN. If you want to see and shoot some smoke poles.
Tracy
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I love blackpowder but have not done it in a few years...sold my TC Hawken in .54cal as I wanted something with less flash on it and more of an eastern rifle. I set my sights on a Lyman Great Plains Hunter in .54 but never bought one but think I will this year.....at least until I can afford a high dollar kit or to get one from one of the craftsman doing poor boy rifles from Appalachia and eastern seaboard.
good luck.
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I really like My .45 cal. Kentucky Rifle - real tack driver with patch & ball.
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Thanks for all the info. It gives me some things to think about. I'm not going to hit it too hard. Bow hunting is still the #1 priority. However, I think it would be fun to hunt with a flintlock and see what happens. Not ruling out a caplock though. Probably will go with something when price range. Thanks again to everyone
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They are a hoot. But like others have said you have to decide what your motives are. If you want the old time experience go with a side lock, if you simply want a different way to hunt I would recommend an inline..OUCH!! Who threw that ROCK..lol. Seriously, I had a Traditions .50 cal Hawkins percussion cap and loved it. However these eyes dont pick up the iron sights as well anymore so I've had to scope my rifles. If inline is your thing the Traditions Buckstalker package from Cabelas is a nice starter gun.
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nlester, Like any other pursuit, you can go for a penny or a pound, relatively speaking ;). Like Archery, I hunt with what I make. Its very much like Archery, but you can reach out a bit further. Your instincts are correct, go with the flint lock. you wont be disappointed. Here is a link to a site that includes Entry level to life time enthusiasts. Don't be afraid to ask questions, like here, there are many experienced people that are eager to unselfishly share their knowledge. Enjoy the journey!
http://www.muzzleloadingforumcom/fusionbb/fusionbb.php
Robby
I had to disable this site because of the Classifieds. Only trading allowed here unless you are a sponsor.
Rule# 6
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Robby,
Thanks for the info. I'm going to check that site out. Thanks again
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I started shooting BP in the 70s because that was the only way you could get a doe tag at the time.
I bought at least 5 TC Rifles starting with percussion and the last being flint. A good friend who was dieing from cancer gave me his custom flint longrifle, one shot and all my TC stuff was up for sale.
Bottom line, a fine flintlock is hard to beat, a run of the mill one will drive you crazy with hang fires and other problems. If you want a really great flintlock you have to get off your wallet as they have a $1200+ price tag.
If you decide to build your own there are three ways to go; a Lyman, TC, Cabala's or other assembly kit that you assemble and apply the finish with very little wood or metal work, a Track of the Wolf, Chambers or a host of other parts kits that require a bunch of wood or metal work, finish inletting and final wood and metal finishing, and lastly building from a block of wood and a pile of parts, lots of knowledge involved.
I decided building my own flintlock was a compliment to my bow building so I took the block of wood and a pile of parts route, never regretted my choice.
Just starting out I would get a Lyman plains rifle in flint to see if you like it.
Gotta' love those flintlocks, I have no interest in percussion now. the one in th picture goes off like a percussion gun and will shoot a tight cloverleaf at 50 yards. It is the one that my friend gave me.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/hunting%20stuff/silverriflefivepoint.jpg)
This is the one I built, 54 cal and a mighty fine shooter.
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Bottom line, a fine flintlock is hard to beat, a run of the mill one will drive you crazy with hang fires and other problems. If you want a really great flintlock you have to get off your wallet as they have a $1200+ price tag.
That gun in your pics is a beauty - dont ever put it up on the trading post, just call me directly! :)
I have to disagree with you on run-of-the-mill guns though. I've fired dozens of them, I find that most firing problems are operator error (like too much powder in the pan, dull flint, clogged touchhole...) or a misaligned touchhole or a too-hard frizzen. All are/were easily remedied.
I too am a fan of Lyman plains rifle, I consider it to be an ideal entry level flintlock; thats good advice you gave. Their kits are outstanding too.
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I have an flint English fowler 12ga almost finished and have been accumulating parts for a 40cal squirrel rifle.
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I have to agree, also. I suggested the Traditions because it was cheap, a good shooter and a good starting point if he liked the smell of black powder and the maintenance involved. Like, I'll clean it tomorrow, I'm too tired tonight. ::)
My first Flinter was a short Tennessee horse gun by Lyman. Just acquired an older Italian one. Can't afford a build it yourself, yet.
I was hoping Eric would come on with pictures of his Eye Candie. :)
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Like some of the others, I thought I'd just get one and be done...and it steamrolled over me and changed my life entirely. Heck, before I owned a muzzleloading rifle I didn't even consider I would ever hunt big game!!!
I'm into flinch-rocks too. I actually had more trouble with misfires with a CVM .50 caplock than I ever have with all of my flinters combined.
If you are a piddler or tinkerer, this is perfect...every round is a handload, every one a custom shot!
I'm expecting a package from Track of the Wolf tomorrow with the loading accessories for the .62 cal smoothbore I bought this last summer.
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If your into the build it yourself thing, check out Dixie gun works online.
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Sorry for my misinterpretation of rule six. Very nice guns Eric
Robby
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Man, this thread took off. I'm glad to see so many people respond. Its much appreciated. Eric, your guns are works of art....don't think I'm quite ready for that yet. I think I've made up my mind....flintlock it is. Hopefully I can hunt one down before muzzleloader season gets here. Thanks again for all the responses. You've all been inspirational in my quest. Love this site!
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I had around $700 in parts for my .54, about $900 in parts for my 12ga but am going cheap for my .40. I picked up a Green mountain barrel off eBay for $75, cut a cherry stock blank out of a neighbors dead tree, have a friend who forges really nice iron furniture,( trigger guard, butt plate and ramrod pipes) I can do a little trading with and will buy a top quality Chambers late Ketland lock. I suspect I will have around $200 in the gun when I get finished.
Making sights, triggers and trigger plates is really easy so I don't buy them.
Bottom line, you can make a really nice gun out of salvaged parts for not much money.
If any of you want to go to black powder heaven and are near Nashville, Tip Curtis's Fronter shop is the place to go. Kits, finished guns and guns in the white(completed guns that just need the wood and metal finish applied).
Tip's place is about 35 miles from Twin Oaks as the crow flies, in Cross Plains Tn.
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/263706/tp/1/
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Some years back I made a snap decision to try to shortcut actoss a steep draw to cut off some turkeys that were taking the long way around. I was running down this Black Hills Hogback ridge and mis-remembered that the rock wall was only about 4 ft high. So there I went at full bore leaping offa that rock wall figguring to land in soft pine needles and head down the hill without breaking stride.
Gotta interrupt myself and explain I was wearing moccasins, woolen stockings up over the knees, linen knee breeches with brass buckles at the kknees, a brown linen shirt with a green woollen vest over that (13 brass buttons up the front), and a floppy brimmed black woolen frontier hat at the time. I coulda been one of Roger's Rangers, or a New England backwoodsman from the late 1760's. Powderhorn and shooting bag on my left side, high and tight up under my arm, tomahawk and longknife on the right hip. Perty Girl, my super-curly maple fullstock, flintlock, .36 cal rifle in my right hand. Ok, picture that with me hanging in the air having run at full gallop and leaping off this rock ridgeline. Back to the story.
My hang time was something NFL kickers fantasize about in the off season. The hang time wasn't a direct result of my prodigous leaping ability so much as my ability to mis-remember terrain. My expected 4 ft drop turned into 2 1/2 stories of fall....25 bloody feet straight ever-lovin' down with no lawyer to argue my way out of paying the fines for my failure to respect the law of gravity.
I let go of Perty Girl and proceeded to windmill my arms, a la' Wile E. Coyote, with much the same result. The slope where I landed was very well padded with deep pine needles and it was approximately a 75 degree slope. When my heels hit, they promptly slid out from under me. I caught myself with my buttcheeks which attempted to grab a hold of the ground...none to successfully, I might add. I then hit that same small patch of ground with my shoulder blades, and they too also tried to latch a hold. No luck, so it was the back of my head that next had a chance to smack that little square foot of real estate.
Four parts of my body impacted that square foot of dirt, rock and pine needes in quick succession like a woodpecker in a drum solo. And then it was a hell for leather slide down the hill, bouncing off ponderosa pines like a blindfolded pinball on meth! Eventually a nice boulder at the bottom of the canyon (it started as a draw and turned into a canyon) stepped up to the plate and cushioned my slide. Eventually I made my way back to the top of the canyon to retrieve Perty Girl.
She was cracked dang near in two right thru the lock mortises, held together by the least little bit of wood. My first flintlock, my favorite gun ever. Too late to say long story short, but I am almost done with refinishing her. A professional blackpowder gunsmith repaired the breaks and strengthened her up again. I stripped and sanded the whole thing, refined a few features in the process, and I am almost ready for final sanding and laying up new stain. I can't wait to show her off.
For them that don't shoot flintlocks, take this as a precautionary tale. These guns get under your skin and drive you to excesses rarely seen outside of the narcotics user's experience. The funny clothes, the urge to master firestarting with flint and steel, the appetite for odd foods like parched corn and pease porrige, and the willingness to do all this stuff in the most unforgiving weather your locale offers is just the beginning. It gets worse. There is a dark side. Yuo find yourself hating soft beds, cell phone reception, and food that don't fight back. Suddenly you realize you the modern world ain't no fun anymore. So run while you can, don't look back. It's too late for me, prayer may not even do me any good.
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Funny story, again. I wondered who ended up with that 62 :'(.
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A Thompson Center would probably be best. I started with one of them and still shoot a .50 caliber my dad bought from my uncle for me. This one is wayyy more onery but i love it. been hunting most rifle seasons with them the past few years. Took the hair off a few deer the past few years, and stuffed it in my medicine pouch. But, two years ago I got a squirrel. i won't fill your thread with photos but like you said it is reallly related to archery. Black powder was invented a long time ago by the japenese? or somewhere in Asia. and before flintlocks there was the match lock. just so much fun to hunt with. i hope to take a big game critter this year but if not oh well still great times. good luck man
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^^^^^As said by me in exodus! lol my fathers screen name
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Hahahah ;D ;D... you gotta way with words, JW.
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HaHaHa, Good story JD!!! Were it me, I would have run smack into that four foot rock wall, as that part of my mind that still thinks we are twenty seems to hold sway, and has yet to reconcile with my old man legs, it does sometimes result in outcomes the beg the question, "what the he77 was I thinking?'.
This years deer and flintlock.
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I don't have as many flintlocks as I do bows, but I'm working on it! ;)
Robby
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Robby,
That's what I'm talking about!! Congrats man.
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ooooooh, that's pretty. :) the deer, too.
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FYI I bought me a .50 Cal flintlock. Just kind of fell in my lap. Got a heck of a deal and am pretty excited to shoot it. Got a week before muzzleloader season opens. Hopefully I can get it all put together before then.
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Robby, That rifle is beautiful!
Nlester, My advise would be to spend as much as you can up front. Flintlocks seem to be very much "get what you pay for". The lower end guns like TC, CVA, and Traditions may be just fine, but I seem to hear some issues with them on the the locks and ignition. The same goes for the new crop of India made guns, like those that Middlesex Village Trading sells. I've actually had an eye on their Brown Bess and a couple of pistols due their price, but haven't been able to pull the trigger on one, being worried about quality. The fit and finish is definitely lacking on the ones I've seen. Pedersoli, an Italian manufacturer, is a big step up in the production gun world. Their guns are much nicer than those mentioned previously. I've been very happy with their Penna longrifle for the last 10 years or so. From there, it seems you start to go custom, with better locks and craftsmanship. At some point, of course, there's a ceiling on "functional" quality, and the cost increase is for carving, inlays, etc. (They truely become works of art.)
Also, think about what you'll want to be doing your flintlock...targets, small game, big game, birds, etc., which will dictate to some extent what type and caliber of gun you'll be looking for. I've found my longrifle in .45 cal is great for whitetails. (I initially bought it as an all-around deer-squirrel gun, though our game commission decided to impose caliber restrictions for big and small game (?????!) almost immediately after I bought it, so I can only use it for whitetails now.) If you are considering rabbits or birds, you might want to look into a smoothbore that can be loaded with shot or patched round balls. I recently aquired a .62 cal (20 gauge) fusil-de-chasse, that I've been having fun with on deer and small game. It's a smoothbore and only has a small front sight blade (no rear sight), so round ball accuracy is diminished over a rifle, but it's leaps and bounds improved over the selfbows we're used to. I'm still getting accustomed to it, and need to tweak my patch and load combo.
Shooting flintlocks isn't rocket science, but there are some basics and a learning curve to maintain reliable ignition. Whatever you get, do yourself a favor and buy one of the those CO2 ball dischargers. Inevitably, you won't be able to get the gun to shoot, or you'll get a ball stuck or whatever, and you'll find the CO2 thing is worth it's weight in gold. It's also very handy to use to unload your gun after a hunt, without shooting it, to make cleaning easier when you get home.
Some recent fusil hunting pictures.
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Yesterday's Penna longrifle doe.
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Great pics and advice. I actually bought a pedersoli...I'd guess it to be the blue ridge.
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In order of difficulty I would put in-lines as the easiest, percussion next and flintlocks last. If you practice and know your gun they are all reliable and accurate. I have used all at one time, but used the flintlock as my primary gun for many years.
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I have a TC kit gun, 50 cal. and Italian side by side 12,, plus revolvers. I have never had a problem with my TC, and it shoots where you point it. I have Friends with kit guns, and factory guns, from TC, never had any problems with them, well made, and they stand by their products. One Friend that has a TC 5o, also has a custom flint rifle. I have shot it, and it is spot on the money. I Want to build one myself one day, with a nice curly maple stock, Siler lock, or L&R "Durs EGG" style lock, and swamped green mountain barrel. I want to make a roman nosed penn, or Kentucky style stock, maybe even go so far as to put a cant in the butt stock. For a newbie if you can try one of each, the in-line, cap lock, or flinch lock, if you can. If possible go to a rendezvous, or a bP shoot. I don't like the CVA as the ones I have seen, and fired, have poor locks, and triggers. I do have a Kentucky pistol by CVA, and the lock is terrible on it, as is the stock,but the barrel, is extremely accurate, as were the rifle barrels, on the rifle that I have shot. I still have my BP guns, and have not shot them in a long time, but when I did, it was fun, and addicting as heck. When I can afford it, I will build myself that Flinch Lock rifle, but it is expensive even building it yourself. But it sounds like you have gotten one at a great price. If it doesn't have one with it, get, or make yourself a vent hole pick. Keep your flint sharp, and the Frizzen clean. You can make a cover for the lock, for inclement weather. A simple cheap vent pick, is a piece of guitar string, with a loop in it to grasp, as a handle, or a short piece of dowel, with a piece of wire in it. You will have a blast, and a ball... ;) ;D, oh, I would recommend you wear glasses of some sort, just in case of excessive flash in the pan. You can make a neat little load carrier, by taking a four or five inch piece of two by four, and drilling a slightly larger holes than your caliber, and and put your patched and greased ball in the hole, or Maxi, real, sabot, etc. bullet type bullets in the holes. You then put a piece of soft leather over the end, and let each side hang down to cover the bullets in the block, and attach a thong, lanyard, etc. to the block, or just put it in your pocket, and you have a set of bullets ready to be started down the barrel, with having to fumble in a pouch for them, and they already greased and patched. ;) Mine has a strip of rubber, with little holes in it for the caps, plus it has two holes with brass tubes in it for my powder loads, with small corks for stoppers, with strings attached so I don't lose them. I also used to carry a piece of leather with holes around the circumference with slits in each and a cap in each, and then I just put the cap on the nipple, and pull the leather away. It was shaped like a shoe tongue. But get ready to get dirty, and grinning! Oh, and if you get really addicted like J.W. said, you will tend to slide away from societal norms, and start dressing strangely, get cravings for hunting knives, patch knives, scalpers, skinners, tomahawks, moccasins, floppy hats, and well...... you start to look and act like J.W. etal. ::)
Wayne
P.S. Be very careful with Black Powder, even the pyrodex types. Do not leave the lid off the can, do not pour from the can, or horn, use a measure! ;) Do not shake the metal can to see how much powder is in it, on the chance of static electricity....Never heard of it happening, but have read about warnings on it a long time ago. Just one tiny spark, and there will be two loud bangs! One from the powder going off, and the other from your rectum slamming shut! :o
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I'm loving this post!!,,,hey guys have any of you tried to run a maxi ball or what I want to try,,a t\c maxi hunter through a .501 luber sizer die??? I just slugged the bore on both my ml's and found one to be .501,,and the other a tight .500. the .500 is a traditions man I tried to run hornady maxi's in this one,,and I needed to allmost use a hammer to seat the bullet!! I have been using patch&ball but this thing has a 1:20 twist and I just want to try some bullets in this,,in NY for so long all we could use was patch and ball I want to see what I've been missing thanks and soon JW will have a sample for me to try JEFFW
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Got a chance to shoot my flintlock. Well that was different. Shot it 3 times and had 7 misfires. At 35 yds I didn't hit a thing. Lol no where to go but up. Oddly I did enjoy it. Gotta make adjustment to frizzen so there is less delay. Gonna keep trying
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The Pedersoli commonly has a frizzen that is a little soft. Try running a file across the face of the frizzen. If the file bites in you are gonna need to have the frizzen case hardened. If the file just can't seem to grab a hold and bite, then you are in great shape.
When you say misfires, what style of misfire are you having:
1) Flash in the pan
2) Pan does not even ignite
Each has it's own grocery list of causes, but can help us narrow down your issue. First thing to check is to see how tight the rock is in the lock. Loose rock wastes the force of the spring and leads to poor spark.
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Jw
Pan wasn't igniting. I tightened my flint right before last shot. So that may have been the problem. I'll listen to any ideas for troubleshooting...I'm totally green
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You might want to put a thin piece of leather around your flint and insert it into your jaws, and then tighten it down, that way you get a grip, and it doesn't slip around on impact. Some people use a thin sheet of lead instead of leather. Keep your flash hole clean also. Did you get a pick with it? How about some pictures. ;)
If you need to case harden your Frizzen, it is easily done.
Wayne
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Since you are not getting the pan to flash off, there are several possibilities.
1) Loose rock, sounds like you were dealing with that. Good.
2) Frizzen is soft. You are going to check that with a file. If the file will bite in, it needs hardening.
3) Rock's cutting edge not lined up with the face of the frizzen. That's easy to adjust by loosening the jaws and re-aligning.
4) Weak frizzen spring. Does it feel like there is little or no resistance when you push the frizzen open? If so, you can flatten out a lead ball into a small wedge and tap that into the "V" of the spring (GENTLY). Try a few more shots and see if this works. It's a temporary measure until you can buy and install a new spring.
5) Weak mainspring. Same as above.
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Are you using course rock flints or the "store boughten" pre cut. I find the rougher the flint sometimes the better spark. I had found a piece of square spark throwing rock in wyoming years ago and used it on the flinter and shot many times with it. And yes, definitely poke the touch hole before every shot, it does delp. And after your shot wipe the pan and frizzen dry of the burned powder residue. And like said as well you can have your flint to far back in the jaws. I had this problem last week and I let the hammer down slowly while pressing on the trigger and hold the hammer with my thumb and see where it falls.
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Found another one taken with flintlock, 58 cal. round ball.
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Just curious, but are you using four f powder in the pan?
Wayne
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Wayne, in my 58 cal I shoot 2F in the barrel. I have a small primer made from deer antler with a wood plug in it. I take my 2F powder and grind it down to a smaller grain. It will vary from 2F down to dust when ground. I believe the dust will actually lift from the pan raising as the flint strikes down the frizzen. This dust will ignite and carry the flame into the pan igniting the remainder in the pan. This is a theory of mine, but I get fast ignitions.
I used to carry a horn with 2F and a primer with 4F, but over time of shooting a flintlock I just do not believe early pioneers carried or had readily available the two sizes of powder.
I have ran out of what I had grinded and have poured 2F into the flash pan, then took the wood peg from my primer and used the peg to gring it in the pan. You could do that every shot, but it will slow you down some. Just prepare enough to fill your primer at one time.
I have heard that powder in the cans when you buy it has some sort of coating on it to help keep it from sticking together if it draws moisture. Grinding it would break it up and exposure powder that's not coated...
Try it, I think you will like it. Also, do not fill the pan with powder, it does not take a lot.
Good Luck
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MOdern powders are tumbled with powdered graphite to prevent "caking". If you grind it finer, you are eliminating the benefits of the graphite.
And you are right, when people bought powder, they bought what was available. It was fairly late in the game that the DuPont people added the "F" thingy. F meant fine to compare it against common blasting powders with grains the size of wheat or larger. Each additional repetition of the letter F meant finer grain. i.e. Fg, FFg, FFFg, and FFFFg.
Side note, the Duponts built their powderworks along a river and provided low cost housing and free schools for the worker's families. The powderworks were built with massive stone walls on three sides and the fourth side and roofs were flimsy wood. When the inevitable accident happened, the roof and flimsy wall were blown over the river. Quickly rebuilt and back online again in days. Widows received housing and a pension for life, their children received schooling and housing until they reached their majority. The DuPonts took good care of their workers even for today's standards. Actually even better than much of today's standards.
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Yep, the "g" after the fff stands for graphite coated powder.
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Yeah. I guess I do a little hunting with my flinter.
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Shot a nice doe the other day. Rifle is a .50 cal flintlock that I built from parts.
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Kinda early Lancaster style ain't it? Fine looking armament.
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Mark Silver Rifle in 58 caliber, offered by Jim Chambers in NC
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Oooh! Carries a Jim Chambers! Oy, 'e's a roit gennelman, like. 'Ats off to the toff, boyo's! Back off, ye gits, make way for yer betters! ;)
Honestly, I have never heard of someone getting the grubby end of the stick on a deal with Jim's outfit. Quality products and seriously honest customer service.
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I have assembled three kit guns from Jim Chambers and they have all been top quality parts. Absolutely love the Mark Silver rifle.
Aint shur bout er "gennelman" calling, thos er fittin words in thes hare parts.... :o
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This is off subject but,,,man I had a charge in my traditions hawken for two weeks!!! it's snowing like heck out 40mph wind,,, and I went to the range to diss charge,,,,well I hit the steel gong @ 80 yards standing!!!! man there is nothing like the crack of a side hammer in the cold!!! Dang I'm soo glad I got rid of that stupid inline!! and thankfull guys like you are so free with GOOD advise JeffW
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yeeeEEEE HAW!