Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Scaramouche on November 25, 2012, 04:39:17 pm
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"Man keeps alleged burglars at bay with home-made bow and arrow"
http://fox40.com/2012/11/24/man-keeps-alleged-burglar-at-bay-with-bow-and-arrow/
I have to wonder if this guy is one of us.
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I don't think that guy own a computer.
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If anyone has his address, I wanna send him a subscription to Primitive Archer! Anyone notice his form? Not half bad, not half bad at all!
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Glad that wasn't me with the bow, I got an itchy trigger finger and I'm a snap shooter to boot. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Guy needs a new bow. 8)
Some form he has there too.
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They let the burglar go? That guy seemed like a character. Good for him for defending his house.
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There is a guy here in Reno,that did the same thing,only in his case,the guy was trying to break down the front door.He yelled out to the burglar,that he was armed and would shoot if he entered.Guess the guy didnt believe him till he entered the room and was staring at a sharp broadhead.The guy layed down on his belly and waited for the cops to come haul him away.
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Thats awesome, the bow I mean ;D Pretty neat how he made it 30yrs ago, any guesses on draw weight? maybe 30-45lbs? Cool story eh?
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I think I would take a bullet over a broadhead anyday
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I'd imagen that a nice fat broadhead would be more intimidating than a handgun
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I'd be robbed because I would refuse to hold my bow at full draw that long. Maybe I'll build a bow with 27" of set so it just looks like I'm at full draw.......?
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First off, I'm not trying to start a political debate and I don't claim to know all of the laws involved or the all the circumstances of this incident but doesn't something seem off that you can prevent someone from LEAVING your yard with a deadly weapon. The person allegedly didn't steal anything or threaten anyone imminently and the man said that he would shoot him if he tried to leave. Aren't deadly weapons supposed to be for self defense? I'm not trying to say that the kid belonged in his yard I'm not even saying it was wrong to present him with a weapon but threatening to shoot him if he tries to leave seems a little excessive. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but it's kind of asking for a not so dangerous situation to potentially turn quite dangerous for both parties.
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Weylin's point is valid. There is a concept in law of "proportionate response). For example, someone spits on your lawn and you shoot them, that is a reponse that is a little out of proportion. However, if someone attacks you with a weapon, you have the right to defend yourself proportionally.
Sometimes in the past the courts have said it's unfair to defend yourself with a gun when you are attacked with a knife, but deadly force is just that...deadly force. Doesn't matter if it is a broken beer bottle or a howitzer cannon, if you can make a case that you were threatened with deadly force, you can respond with deadly force.
In this case, I bet they gave the old guy a lecture and laughed all the way back to the stationhouse about how the kid filled his Fruit-of-the-looms.
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I can agree. But I think the guy was paranoid of being robbed again to the point where he stops anything that hops his fence.
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I think the story is great and the old boy should get a life time subscription. I hear what you are saying Weylin but keep in mind the guy was trespassing. If I found someone in my shop without permission I would naturally assume an attempted robbery. Especially if it had happened before. We have signs on the fence that state the property is patrolled by our Shepard's. The one sign that says our shepherd can reach the fence in 2.5 seconds is fairly accurate. Some may not like that idea or mindset but our dogs are trained to know the difference between a threat or a friend, and they are trained to protect for reason. Some people like electronic surveillance and we like the non electric surveillance. ;D
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I think this is a inside publicity stunt funded by PA to get more subscribers. ;)
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I can agree. But I think the guy was paranoid of being robbed again to the point where he stops anything that hops his fence.
There shouldn't be anybody hopping his fence.
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i agree. If someone is trespassing, for whatever reason, if you tell them to leave and they don't, then you can shoot.
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Right, but he didn't tell him to leave. He told him that he COULDN'T leave and that if he tried, then he would shoot him. That was my only point. For all we know, the kid was putting toilet paper in the trees for a gag, or was drunk or tired and walked into the wrong yard by mistake. Stupid things for sure but not exactly worthy of a death sentence.
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he COULDN'T leave and that if he tried, then he would shoot him.
No he said he couldn't leave or he would Skewer him. Come on Weylin, you get the facts straight first. ;D
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I think the story is great and the old boy should get a life time subscription. I hear what you are saying Weylin but keep in mind the guy was trespassing. If I found someone in my shop without permission I would naturally assume an attempted robbery. Especially if it had happened before. We have signs on the fence that state the property is patrolled by our Shepard's. The one sign that says our shepherd can reach the fence in 2.5 seconds is fairly accurate. Some may not like that idea or mindset but our dogs are trained to know the difference between a threat or a friend, and they are trained to protect for reason. Some people like electronic surveillance and we like the non electric surveillance. ;D
My Staffordshire bull terrier does the same ;D
Although if you were brave enough to ignore the snarling barking teeth on legs and made if over the fence you would probably be licked to death. Couldnt resist a photo
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o218/dwardo/puppy.jpg)
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Have to agree with Weylin here. I dont disagree with the old fellow arming himself to defend his hearth and kin, but there was nothing to defend here, no crime committed other than common trespass and apparently no threats made against him.. They tried to leave and he stopped one of them. Should they have been on in his yard..no, but it could have been anything from 2 drunks to an actual robbery but, when they went to leave peacably they shoulod have been allowed to go. As far as the paranoid excuse goes, those are the peoplew you dont want armed. Now that he's a local hero, maybe he wont wait for the cops next time and just pins some poor lost kid to the fence post.
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The man didn't appear to be a raving lunatic, on drugs or senile. Given he has been burgularized before his response seems pretty appropriate to me. This brings to mind the weekly robberies at the c-stores in the city (Kansas City), some of those stores have been robbed several times in one month at gunpoint. The property owner has a right to protect himself.
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I don't want to highjack this post--and maybe this comment should be moved--I didn't learn till this fall that a 'no hunting' sign doesn't necessarily include or restrict trespassing. And this law would surely vary from state to state and residential to rural property.
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Been broken in on the middle of the night. Held him at gun point till the police arrived. No crime committed except trespass, B/E and no threats made.... except the threat of a stranger sneaking through my home in the middle of the night with god knows what on his mind. Didn't have to shoot, but I would have. No one will ever know in either case what could have happened. Protect yourself. The authorities are generally pretty good at investigating what happened after the crime. I admire the guy.
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Absolutely agree with what he did. Who cares if some little urchin/thief/etc gets shot. If somebody broke into my workshop/garden/house then all I will say is God help them. Why else would they have gone onto his property?To play a joke....I don't think so. He said that he is sick of people breaking into his house so I say fair play to him....he didn't hurt anyone and was only responding in what is an entirely natural reaction - looking after what is his. If more people were like him then there wouldn't be as much crime.
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Yeah - I'm in the camp of worry about the criminal's rights after the homeowner has gone too far. Someone on your lawn - not such a big deal to scare them away. Someone in your house - safety is off. It would be a shame if it were all just a mistake and the "harmless" vandals got shot. It would be a much greater shame if the old guy thought about being sued before picking up his bow and ended up getting the crap kicked out of him or worse so they could rob him. Just my opinion.