Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Newindian on September 22, 2012, 09:22:38 pm
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Whent to my local bow shop today looking to get a couple arrows with a proper spine for a Osage bow I have that's probably 34 inches long ;).The first guy I ran into ( a known butt head) told me that it was immpossible for me to shoot off hand with out a glove, because the English used gloves on their long bows >:(. Then somebody els showed up, and when I said " in need arrows for this bow" he gave me a look akin to that as if I had ran into the store half naked, smacked him across the face and said " hib-ah- gumyhyo". Needless to say I went home arrow-less :'(. Think I'll stick to the compound while I'm their and save them the heart problems :laugh:
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that happened to me when I was at my local shop looking to buy some carbon shafts for my recurve. The guy made me pull a little rubber bow to test my drawlength and tried to give me a lesson on form and how I shouldn't grip the handle with my whole hand but only with my palm :o I left empty haned
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What to have fun start asking how an arrow works. Ask about point and spine wt. Most dont have a clue. I had to take my spine tester in and do the math for mtself. I left without arrows but they learned a lot.
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I will admit....at most shops you will not get the help you need if you dont shoot a compound. Even then you will get some false help.
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''The first guy I ran into ( a known butt head) told me that it was immpossible for me to shoot off hand with out a glove, because the English used gloves on their long bows >:(''
just tell them the bow you have is not an english longbow it's a na bow and indians didn't have gloves ;)....
i got lucky when visiting a shop in ardmore, the guy working shot a glass recurve and knew alot about woodbows and even said a few regulars were bowyers(can't remember their names) they sold wheelbows but preferred traditional :) one thing he said about wheelies was'' shoot fast,miss fast'' i thought that was pretty funny but also true.
i went to academy the other day and picked up a few arrows , they had all theres separated and marked according to weight range that might be something you can check out.
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I had a guy ask me if my long bow was 90#. He really thought that anything under that with a longbow wouldn't have enough speed to kill a deer. I did laugh in his face...couldn't help myself. Wheelie people suck.
Tattoo Dave
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Things come from nature even if it is synthetic. Most people have a disconnected understanding of Nature. The sad part is they buy everything to hunt from a store (not from nature) then walk across rocks and streams and put their stands in trees they cant even name and call themselves outdoorsmen or woodsmen or nature lovers. It is as if you could go to the store and buy the knowledge in a brand. I lived next to state ground once and it was a funny site. But that is not the scary part folks.....these people are the ones that actually want and have an interest in nature Even if it is with a disconnect, the masses of people who dont know anything about nature other than from what are told to think ...that scares me. This is not meant to be political please dont read into it guys but that is the real big diconnect. I have a forest program and people tell me not to cut tress...this is a disconnect in a multi-levelled way.
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Iowabow hit it on the head....they know nothing about the environment they hunt in other than the animal they intend to shoot. I have a friend, a primitive bow shooter, was forced to ask me once why I kept stepping around this one certain plant. I finally showed him the little burrs on this hounds tongue. He was surprised, "I always wondered where those burrs came from. I get 'em all the time." Same guy sent me pics of a bird he had never seen before, had to be a new species....black capped chickadee. *sigh*
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Probably about 75% or more of the people on this site started out as wheelie shooters. Some of us graduated to a so called primitive shooter using epoxy and plastic nocks?IMO plastic nocks ,carbon arrows and epoxy are in the same category as wheels. All my equipment is period correct and yes i have used stone tools to make my bows. 8)
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Got no problem with wheel bow folks,just ant for me. By the way what Period Fly ? ???
Pappy
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I don't have a problem with wheelie bow folks either. Come to think of it, I don't have a problem with most weapons used to take game if the user is proficient with it and the weapon is adequate for the task at hand. I have to wonder how much of the animosity towards modern equipment useage is genuine elitism and how much of it is because of resentment over someone not taking our own choice of equipment serious. When talking to someone in a pro shop, you have to remember that their livelihood is selling the latest greatest technology. They are gonna be pretty reluctant to talk about the beauties of doing it the hard way, especially if there are other customers within ear shot. Most of the derogatory statements made towards my primitive equipment are pretty quickly silenced with a smile and an abbreviated history lesson. Several converts have been made with a few arrows driving deep into targets while the uninitiated looked on. Everyone of us carry the responsibility of being good stewards of our beloved pastime . How we carryout that responsibility now will have multigenerational impact. I for one, strive to impart as positive of an impression of my passion as possible to others. How about you? Josh
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Well said Josh. :)
Pappy
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Nicely said, Josh! Thats the way I feel too. I used to hunt deer witha shotgun. Dont anymore, but Im ok if you do.
Scott
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I cant convince any wheelie shooters I know to try and catch arrows out of my longbows,, Many of these guys are not hunters anyway,they just want to look "cool" and have whatever the huntin shows say they need. 8)
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I cant convince any wheelie shooters I know to try and catch arrows out of my longbows,, Many of these guys are not hunters anyway,they just want to look "cool" and have whatever the huntin shows say they need. 8)
It just seems that so many of the wheelbow crowd runs like sheep with a coyote on their heels to the local shop to buy the latest and greatest that they just saw on the HornPorn channel. You can no more buy better woodsmanship than you can buy better ethics. That being said, I do know more than a few wheelie boys that are in it for the ultra-super-hyper-extreme-turbo accuracy because they are spot shooters and they don't even hunt! Wonder what they think of me...cranking bows out and not being all that interested in shooting them or hunting all that much?
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Well JW when you want to get rid of one.... ::)
I know folks that do shoot wheelies - I have only ever shot recurve - can't really afford to hunt but now that I am down to one kid in the house that may change. He likes to shoot too.
Ben
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Shooting a compound is what brought me into archery to begin with so its hard for me to critisize it in any way. In fact I would guess that the current resurgence of trad archery is due to the recent popularization of compound bows and compound hunting. But I do find it amusing how little people know about what we do. People forget that thethings we make and hunt with were the most effective weapons on the planet for thousands of years.
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I have nothing against the compound shooters - to each his own... if I wasn't such a cheapskate, I might have become one myself! I have to admit that it wasn't any high-minded, spiritual awakening that lead me to traditional archery and bow building - it was the simple fact that I wasn't going to pay all that money for the kind of gear that bowhunters were using. Since I was perpetually broke and a penny pincher by nature, I figured that I could learn to build something to hunt with. As it turned out, being stingy lead me to this pastime, which I absolutely love! Who would have thunk it? It would be pretty hypocritical for me to act snobby toward the space bow people, when the only thing that separated me from them, in the beginning was me being cheap. ;D
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I only have one problem with compounders and I afraid most have been brain washed by TV hunting shows and most know no better.
THEY THINK THAT COMPOUNDS AND CARBONS ARE THE ONLY WAY TO GO. There's just no way you could kill a deer with out just lucking into one if your now shooting a $1000.00 dollor bow carbons and a machinal. It's not as bad as it use to be 10 years ago. 20 Years ago when I started if you said primitive they thought you were talking recurves or mostly just got a blank stare and ask what a self bow was.
Now it stills draws blank looks by the younger people that think there pro's. They work in a pro shop right.
Me and a friend when in a shop a couple years ago. He wan't some ALU. 2216's. The young guy laughed and said whats that. He wanted a pack of ZWICKYS he told us only 3 people shot them in WV and he was one of them. And pointed out some gold tips and rage and said these are the best broadheads there are. He even tryed to sell us some scent-loc all yea you got a bottle of scent spray with it. He said he dos'nt go in the woods with out his. I pissed him off when I said QUESS YOU DON'T NEED THE SPRAY SETTING ON THE COUCH WATCH FOOT BALL.
I'm afraid for the most part the younger wheelie people are brain washed for the most part by TV HUNTING SHOW ADVERTITMENTS.
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The funniest thing on hunting TV is when the deer starts walking in and the range finder comes out lol really!!!!! I spilled my drink laughing so hard when I saw that the first time. Guess it is a way to sell them to the magic believers. Kinda like the spray.
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How about a compound hunter that knows what ground plants are called, knows the trees, knows how to pattern deer and put a comfortable dry camp together using a tarp. Can find north by the stars or sun. Can also make an Osage bow, cane arrows and perhaps a decent stone point. Knows how to trap and butcher his own game, etc.
You may be surprised to find out the background of some compound shooters, but maybe not so much of other ones.