Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Hunter Van Winkle on September 15, 2012, 05:50:45 pm
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What are some of the fastest traditional bows you've seen or heard of?
What style/dimensions were they?
The one in TBB4 is impressive, it's the record holder for broadhead flight bows. It's an osage Holmegaard style bow, I believe 62" long, 6" grip/fades, bends a LOT right out of the fades, and the outer limbs are completely stiff. I think the draw length was 32" long... FPS started at 178 and was broken into 173 (off the top of my head).
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what was the draw weight and arrow weight? That can make all the difference. I know some folks that have made them pushing light arrows well over 200 fps I made a bamboo backed osage about 2 years ago that was 72 pound draw at 28 and with a light arrow consitantly got 214fps till it broke. It had alot of back set with narrow limbs and after hundreds of arrows the belly failed and hinged. What I have always wanted to know was how fast the english warbows are say 100 to 120 pounds I have never been able to find any info on it. I built a 80lb warbow once and it was no faster than some of my 50 pound hunting bows. I was not really impressed but I am not war bow builder so I may have made some mistakes on getting top performance out of it.
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I built a 80lb warbow once and it was no faster than some of my 50 pound hunting bows. I was not really impressed but I am not war bow builder so I may have made some mistakes on getting top performance out of it.
You may not have had enough arrow for the bow, too. A low mass arrow out of a warbow is kinda like throwing a Mike Tyson punch at a snowflake. On paper, you should punch that snowflake across a town and still break a plateglass window when it gets there. In reality, nothing much happens. Just lotsa wasted energy and effort.
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i cant give any figures now, but i just found out my friend who lives near me has a chrono, so when i finish my yew warbow im going to check the speed
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I wonder how fast that bow Chet Stevenson shot, when he sailed a broadhead arrow some 329 yards 6 inches with a 95lb yew "bent-end" long bow at the 1936 Pope and Young shoot.
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Some of the top performing bows have broken into the 190 fps range using 10 GPP arrows on a 28" draw. I've built 3 or 4 bows that performed that well and there are a few others, Steve Gardner being one of them, that have done it as well.
Like everything else you have to quantify performance statements. To just say that you have built a bow that will shoot an arrow at so many feet per seconds doesn't say much. I've made many bows that have shot an arrow at well over 230 fps but those arrows were very light for the draw weight of the bow, something in the order of 5 or 6 GPP. Shooting light arrows or having a long draw will most certainly boost arrow speed considerably.
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I 'spose i'm not interested in flight archery, but hunting bows & arrows.
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Some of the top performing bows have broken into the 190 fps range using 10 GPP arrows on a 28" draw. I've built 3 or 4 bows that performed that well and there are a few others, Steve Gardner being one of them, that have done it as well.
Like everything else you have to quantify performance statements. To just say that you have built a bow that will shoot an arrow at so many feet per seconds doesn't say much. I've made many bows that have shot an arrow at well over 230 fps but those arrows were very light for the draw weight of the bow, something in the order of 5 or 6 GPP. Shooting light arrows or having a long draw will most certainly boost arrow speed considerably.
yea that is what I was saying. I have found also that even though that same bow show a light arrow with alot of speed when I did a distance test with that bow the light arrow flying much faster did not travel as far as the heavier arrows traveling slower. I am no flight shooter by any means so I could have made mistakes on angle and all.
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I have'nt CHONOED a bow in a dozzen years.
But my best was a OSAGE 64"61#'s 26" sinewed, not don't remember the arrow weight. But it was hunting arrow, zwicky, likely around 550 to 600 grain. 1 3/8 at the fades to 3/8's stiff tips stiff handle. I TILLER ALL MY BOWS BACK INTO THE FADES. THIS ONE WAS THE SAME.
It shot 184,186 and 187 fps.
I have a nice clean release and uselly (99%) can out shoot speed wise people with there own bows.
CHONO your bow the way you release. Then do it by releaseing with the third finger down first. I grantee you you'll get 6 or 7 fps or more faster. WORKS EVERYTIME and as won many 5's and 10's at shoot and back yards byout shoot people with their own bows.
It don't only increases speed but your groups will tighten to a lot. Instead for jusy plucking your fingers open. By releaseing third finger down first your other 2 fingers automaclly found suit. End result you do same thing EVERY TIME.
THIS IS HOW HOWARD HILL RELEASED.
I've made a couple OSAGE bows 50,51 ,52#'s. that shot in the high 160's to 170 fps. But you never now I've made some nice looking bows that were dogs. That should have shoten good.
WOOD IS WOOD YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.
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Like Marc said the bows have to be tested with a standard arrow and string to compare bow to bow,and from the same person shooting,and maybe a witness too..........LOL.It's the only fair way.I think it's a good enough comparison standard plus and here's the kicker you can try to improve your bow making skills.That's what's it's all about.
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Then do it by releaseing with the third finger down first. I grantee you you'll get 6 or 7 fps or more faster. WORKS EVERYTIME and as won many 5's and 10's at shoot and back yards byout shoot people with their own bows.
It don't only increases speed but your groups will tighten to a lot. Instead for jusy plucking your fingers open. By releaseing third finger down first your other 2 fingers automaclly found suit. End result you do same thing EVERY TIME.
THIS IS HOW HOWARD HILL RELEASED.
Is this in one kind of motion? Does the hand move upwards in some way when this happens? Bit more info please bud ;)
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He's dead now but I would have loved to meet him.The fella Jay Massey.He shot very fast 58" recurves composed of hedge and sinew.I looked to get his Bowyers Craft book on line on amazon.com.Wheeeuuuu.They want 60.00 bucks nowadays.Life is short really I bought one.......LOL.
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I haven't used my chrono is a few years but when I did make a practice of using it I would weigh my arrows so that I knew what I was shooting and not guessing.
Flight shooting is an art. You can't just pick out a light arrow and expect it to go far even though it shoots faster than a hunting weight arrow. If your light arrow doesn't come out of the bow clean then it will not travel far. When I first started shooting ultra light flight arrows out of some of my bows, 10~15 years ago, I was quite disappointed that they would only go slightly farther than my hunting arrows. I was using highly reflexed sinew backed recurves, these bows would shoot 10 GPP arrows at more than 180 fps and out to 250 yards.
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I am trying to figure out what osage bow is being reffered to in the first post? I don't have my book here. Of all the bows I have tested none have been faster than Mark St Louis bows.
Flight shooting actually is an art and the bow is about 1/3 of the equation.. Arrows are most important. This past shoot a few weeks ago I took some of my arrows and a couple of Allen Cases bamboo laminated arrows of similar weight and his arrows outshot mine by about 70 yards. Mine were flying very clean but just didn't have the hang time.
I pissed myself off at the 50# broadhead contest. I missed the record by 9". Thinking back someone told me I was standing about 6" behind the line when I was shooting, and I could have used 1/2" longer arrows with 1/2" high fletching instead of 3/4" fletching for a slighlty longer shot. Very important to pay attention to detail.
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I have a Jay Massey bow and it definately was not built for speed. I also copied Jay's Medicine Bow(sinew backed hickory with painted rawhide covering), and its not designed for speed. Jay built bows that shot well and were durable in the field. He was a hunter. At the draw weight he preferred he got good speed as a benefit but I don't think that was his main goal when he built a bow.
IMO durability in a hunting bow that will be shot at ethical hunting distances is way more important that the speed your arrow can travel that 15 or 20 yards.
If you are target shooting or shooting for distance you are in a totally differant game. When I shoot 3D or just practice at the butt in my yard, or if I'm shooting at squirrels or hunting whitetail or elk(on a few occasions) I shoot the same bow and bow and arrow combo. All of those activities are directly geared towards hunting. I'm not a target or flight archer.
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I stand corrected Pat B.I thought I read in one of the Bowyers Bible books that one of Jays' bows' tested very fast.He was a hunter that's for sure.
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I'm surprised at you badger that you did'nt take advantage of the rules there.I bet most everyone else did.Was Don Perry there?
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I was not going to post on this but I notice that you said you were interested in "hunting" as opposed to target or flight. I was a little confused regarding the intial question because when it comes to bows they are ALL slow compared to the sound they make.
What I mean by that is in a lot of places (excluding the thin air and high elevations) sound is going about 1126.547 fps at 68 degrees....so if you have a bow shootin 226 fps you are still 5 times slower than the sound that the bow makes. So, being interested only in hunting I have allways put a premium on silence and not speed. As long as the arrow comes from a silent bow, and has a realitively flat trajectory at say 15/20 yards that's what is important to me. The other thing is a point that Pat made about reliability VS performance. Idealy there is a middle ground that will make a great hunting bow and crappy flight bow.
Just one guy's opinion. But if you are truely interested in hunting then speed aint the main thing is all. Not trying to start a fight....Cause there is all kinds of archery and they are probably all fun as all get out.....but each area has it's own criteria also.
rich
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Beadman, Dan didn't make it this year. Very small turnout. We all had a nice time but it makes me wonder about the furure of the sport.
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Badger...I bet each year is a little different.Does'nt mean the sport of it is being hurt any.
half eye......No offense felt here.I used to have an exwife that could offend me a lot more than that........LOL.I hear what you're saying about quiet and all.I have a pretty quiet bow here that shoots above standard so a flatter trajectory and deeper penetration come into play too,but as is known a well placed shot don't need an extra amount of speed at 15 to 20 yards but it does at 25 to 30 yards.I probably would'nt shoot at a deer at 30 yards but probably would at an elk.
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Light arrow=less penatration, flatter cast, higher speed
Heavy arrow= deep penetration, low speed.
All my bows are covered with sound dampening furs and what have you.
Half eye, I liked what you had to say. Great minds think alike :)
Beadman, i thought my bows where quite until I recorded myself shooting.....and I was not quite at all. It was a good eye opener.
But even before that I was taking shots at deer at 20 yards and they where jumping the string.
Then after learning how to make my bows stealthy, I now take shots at an easy 35 yards and the "Ghost of the Pacific" doesn't know what hit em!
Elk, that's another....you could have the loudest bow in the world and they wouldn't flinch till the arra hit it ha!
Just my worthless 2 cents.
Flight bows fascinate me though, works of art those things.
-Pinecone
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Good point Ed. I know I would hesitate to shoot at a Deer out to 30 ydrs but not if I had a Moose in front of me
P.S. Using the loud bow argument is a bit silly. People have been using glass recurves for hunting for a long time with great success and they are quite loud.
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Good point Ed. I know I would hesitate to shoot at a Deer out to 30 ydrs but not if I had a Moose in front of me
P.S. Using the loud bow argument is a bit silly. People have been using glass recurves for hunting for a long time with great success and they are quite loud.
I had someone tell me once that it is not only sound of the bow that causes the deer to "jump the string", but everything all at once. These animals are sometimes keyed up and sometimes relaxed. When they are keyed up, they are like the finest of athletes, their reaction speed is lightning fast. Get 'em head down and feeding or looking for a bed and can almost walk up and stick the arrow in them by hand!
Never look 'em in the eye, keep motion to a minimum, add sting silencers if your bow is quiet enough, and follow thru with the shot (hold that release position until after the arrow arrives in case yo miss and the deer looks your way).
And I'd hate to have a flight bow set up in my hands when a deer walks in, even the world record setter. Gimme a easy shooting hunting bow every time.
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Just because a flight bow is setup for shooting light arrows fast doesn't mean it won't shoot hunting weight arrows just as well as a hunting bow and everyone knows that heavy arrows will tame the sound of any bow.
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But the thought of a bow built on the ragged edge of engineering principles and pushing the wood to it's limits scares the heck outa me. Imagine the deer running off with a limb splinter in his butt while I hang out of the treestand from one hand while the other holds a ragged chunk of what used to be a bow handle! Something tells me I would never wear those underwear again.
Marc makes a valid point, for sure. And taken another step further, we who hunt with bows have a lot of thank you's for those groundbreakers designing flight bows. We have stolen their flipped tips, narrowed tips, and other designs in order to improve our designs. You don't see drag racers running out to share their design innovations like Marc has.
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The bow made by ay Massey was in fact listed as the fastest bow Tim Baker tested at the time.
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P.S. Using the loud bow argument is a bit silly. People have been using glass recurves for hunting for a long time with great success and they are quite loud.
I was pointing out that when hunting elk a quite bow isn't really neccisary:)IMO
Bc there not as jumpy.
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JW, for the broadhead competition all I ever use is regular hunting bows. I usually make mine around 55# and nock off a few pounds for a flight shoot. When I arrived a few days early I had a stack of bows with me. I pulled 3 of them out of the car and tested them. All were hitting out to 220 yards and I only needed 211 yards. The day I tested them was dead still and we always have a slight tailwind so I was over confident. On shoot day because of heavy rain we sst the course up next to the road with a very slight crosswind. I kind of thought I might have trouble at that point but had allready weighed my bow in. The arrows I made for the bow were 28" but because it was 1# over I had to use an old set that was a 1/2" shorter than I needed. I should have just scraped it down a bit and stayed with the longer arrows. Always next year!
We are talking about organizing informal flight shoots by state or region to attract new members to the sport. Rules would be slightly relaxed to make it easier to compete and give new shooters a chance to learn the sport. Every existing record will be and can be broken. If the new primitve flight league was well organized it might gain enough respect to be considered official with in primitive circles.
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I think it would be wonderful to have state sanctioned shoots! I wish you the best of luck with getting that going. I would be interested in having a shoot here in South Dakota, too, but we may be kinda shy on shooters.
I can see it now. I'd call my name for my turn to shoot. I'd run get my bow and hand it to me to be looked over by the range safety officer. I would then ask myself some questions about the bow while I looked it over. After sweating bullets, I'd hand my bow back to myself with instructions to proceed to the shooting line. Once there I'd take my shots and then run out to measure the shots. Even with all this help from myself I'd come in dead last. :o
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This is a very interesting thread...thanks guys.
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JW, bring your wife, it takes at leasst two.
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Oh great. Now I have to play the part of a wife, too.
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Oh great. Now I have to play the part of a wife, too.
I had to read the last few posts of this thread to my wife...she had a good laugh
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Leave it to JW to get a chuckle in this.
Bryce.....I go to at least a half dozen 3D shoots a year with half a dozen shooter friends along with.Shooting mostly glass bows but a few self bows like mine in there too.I shoot 560 to 590 grain arrows at everything with 55# bows.I know what a quiet bow sounds like.
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I shot three white tailed deer last fall.One at 20 yards,one at 12 yards,and one at 8 yards all with my noisey above standard speed self bow.No silencers just the string.Two from the ground and one from the tree.They did'nt flinch an inch after release.
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I must say in my experience, a silent bow is almost a necessity! That way when i zip my first shot over the deers back :-[, they look towards the racket of my arrow ricochetting through the brush instead of looking towards me. Then, with a little luck, I can nock another arrow, calm down and try again. I hate to admit how often that scenario has played out over the years. Especially when hunting from tree stands. Josh
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Leave it to JW to get a chuckle in this.
Bryce.....I go to at least a half dozen 3D shoots a year with half a dozen shooter friends along with.Shooting mostly glass bows but a few self bows like mine in there too.I shoot 560 to 590 grain arrows at everything with 55# bows.I know what a quiet bow sounds like.
i figured. i was just sharing my experience :)
-Pinecone
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I've made a few that shoot over 180fps at 10gpp.
I've just finished a weird hornbow that is shooting at 175fps at 10gpp and i'm only drawing it 25 at the moment - I think it has a few more inches of draw in it.
I'm working on a yew recurve at the moment which has a lot of potential. Most of it is sapwood....light. The heartwood is just hanging on in there and hopefully I won't run out!
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Mike.....I've only made a half dozen or so that shot in the mid to upper 160s' at 52 to 55 pounds.I'm just finishing a hickory,horn,sinew here too that is my fastest bow to date.Settling in in the low 170s'.I've got too say this speed thing is good as long as its' kept equal and fair and even then there are so many variables.A person better be ready to explode some bows too.I've only made three dozen or so bows in the last three years,but I do a lot of shooting.The first year I made 18 bows with a hatchet,draw knife,and a file.I've got a bandsaw now.What a God send.Your building them closer to the edge than me.I'm no expert but I've been hunting all of my life [mostly competition coon hunting at least 225 nights a year in the woods]and am sorry to be so hard on Bryce and half eye but I won't be fed a bunch of balony.I'm sure they mean well.I try not to say anything on here unless I've done it or lived it.
Gun Doc......I hear ya about the Hail Mary shot.Happens to me too.
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Oh Gun Doc I was being ironic in saying my self bow was noisey.I was trying to make a joke OK?
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I know you were jokin Ed. Ive shot right next to you and know how quiet your bows are. I don't have any silencers or doodads on bows either and they're pretty quiet as well. I am just surprised to see folks discrediting the value of a quiet bow. It is simple fact that no matter how fast our arrows are traveling the sound is faster. The less sound is always better IMHO. Josh
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Have yall ever been down range of an arrow with real feathers not plastic on it? Well I have some idot shot while I was pulling my arrows from the target as well as every one else was to. I never heard the bow but the buzzing of the feathers was loud as heck. I think more often than not they hear the feathers buzzing more than the bow. the best way I can descibe it is scary as can be but really it shouded like a swarm of bees was inside my ears.
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luckly no one was hurt. and the guy was swiftly booted from the range and band for life.
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Have yall ever been down range of an arrow with real feathers not plastic on it? Well I have some idot shot while I was pulling my arrows from the target as well as every one else was to. I never heard the bow but the buzzing of the feathers was loud as heck. I think more often than not they hear the feathers buzzing more than the bow. the best way I can descibe it is scary as can be but really it shouded like a swarm of bees was inside my ears.
I have to admit I never thought of that and I have had arrows come close to me. They are loud, you can easily hear them from at least 20 yards away
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Gun Doc.......I agree the quieter the better for sure.My point was that you can have an above standard speed shooting self bow that is quiet too that's all.I should'nt even be on this thread because I sure don't have the fastest self bow on record here......LOL.
Hey you know I talked to you about the length of time a snake skin should dry on sinew.Well this bow was reverse braced during sinewing,then after applying the snake skin with titebond 3 it started to lose reflex without reverse bracing it again so I quickly reverse braced it within 8 hours and am going to let it dry for 2 and 1/2 weeks by God.Hopefully I got it back.It showed a loss of 3/8ths of an inch is all but every bit helps.I'll see.Got tweve days by me already,just a week more.Feel like a male dog next to a female inheat and I can't touch it.......LOL.
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Have yall ever been down range of an arrow with real feathers not plastic on it? Well I have some idot shot while I was pulling my arrows from the target as well as every one else was to. I never heard the bow but the buzzing of the feathers was loud as heck. I think more often than not they hear the feathers buzzing more than the bow. the best way I can descibe it is scary as can be but really it shouded like a swarm of bees was inside my ears.
I once hid just behind the wall of a small bore rifle range when a mate of mine shot my repro light medieval sporting crossbow (275#) it sounded like a steam train coming :o. We'd propped up a big old solid tongue and groove pine panel against the wall as a target and the whole thing shook when the bolt smacked through it. ;D
Del
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Have yall ever been down range of an arrow with real feathers not plastic on it? Well I have some idot shot while I was pulling my arrows from the target as well as every one else was to. I never heard the bow but the buzzing of the feathers was loud as heck. I think more often than not they hear the feathers buzzing more than the bow. the best way I can descibe it is scary as can be but really it shouded like a swarm of bees was inside my ears.
I once hid just behind the wall of a small bore rifle range when a mate of mine shot my repro light medieval sporting crossbow (275#) it sounded like a steam train coming :o. We'd propped up a big old solid tongue and groove pine panel against the wall as a target and the whole thing shook when the bolt smacked through it. ;D
Del
I am glad some one knows what i am talking about Loud as heck isn't it. much louder than a bow slaming home.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but a lower fletching does make less noise,but with added speed it still could get amplified some.That's why it's important to bare shaft tune those shafts.
boughnut.....Gotta agree that is a bit scary.Total lack of respect there.
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Hey beadman, I'm 67 yrs old and been bow huntin since the early 60"s. to say someone is handing out baloney is just bein pompous. I'll bet I've killed more deer with bow than you.....I dont tell you that your opinions are full of crap......you got yours and I got mine.
You aint bein hard on me at all, cause opinions are like butt's , we all got one. You dont want to admitt that quiet is good and I wont admitt that speed is the answer for hunting mistakes. That's what makes America great everybody gets their say.....I think you are wrong but I wont say your full of baloney, either.
rich
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I know you were jokin Ed. Ive shot right next to you and know how quiet your bows are. I don't have any silencers or doodads on bows either and they're pretty quiet as well. I am just surprised to see folks discrediting the value of a quiet bow. It is simple fact that no matter how fast our arrows are traveling the sound is faster. The less sound is always better IMHO. Josh
Josh
I'm not discrediting the value of a quiet bow but I certainly hear many people discrediting the value of a high performance bow, the same people have been doing it for years
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Marc I have shot some of you bows and they were plenty quite,I like quite and speed is a plus but not mandatory for my hunting bows. :) Guys this is just a discussion,and a good one,please don't let it get out of hand. ;) ;D
Pappy
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Funny, I have been having this discussion/arguement with people for as long as I have been shooting bows. Back in the 80s with wheelie bows it was hard cams, overdraws and carbon shafts (loud, unstable) vs round wheel and full length heavy arrows (plodding but quiet and accurate). And 30 years later as we rediscover wooden bows, same topic just different parameters. All these many years later, I will still argue the merits of plodding (comparitivley), but quiet and accurate, and those same buddies will still argue for lightening bolts. Keeps me smilin'.
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Fair enough Marc. I am all for better speed and flatter trajectory clear up to the point of adding decibels and losing longevity. I'm not saying fast bows are all short lived time bombs either. I just have a desire to balance all aspects to get the best overall package. I don't know what you were considering baloney Ed, I think there must have been a miscommunication of sorts. I think all points made so far have merit. As far as your new bow goes, be patient my friend. That's one of the good points of my job, I can do a step like that, set aside and go to work. Being gone for weeks at atime alleviates the temptation to fiddle with it prematurely. This is pretty good thread. I hope it doesn't get out of hand over misunderstandings. BTW Ed, try not to hump anybody's leg while you wait on your bow to cure! ;) lol! Josh
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Have yall ever been down range of an arrow with real feathers not plastic on it? Well I have some idot shot while I was pulling my arrows from the target as well as every one else was to. I never heard the bow but the buzzing of the feathers was loud as heck. I think more often than not they hear the feathers buzzing more than the bow. the best way I can descibe it is scary as can be but really it shouded like a swarm of bees was inside my ears.
I have to admit I never thought of that and I have had arrows come close to me. They are loud, you can easily hear them from at least 20 yards away
Back in the karate days I used to do a Demo catching arrows from a 40# bow with rubber blunt tips at 20 yards. As soon as you heard the string twang you had better be reaching for air if you were going to touch or catch the arrow. You can see it coming all the way except for the last 5 yards or so, then it just disappears. If you waited till you thought it was close enough to grab and did not react to the sound you wouldn't touch it. And, you can hear helical fletching coming all the way.
I tried it once with a compound bow set at 60# and that was a disaster. I had jammed fingers and round bruises all over my forearm.
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My fastest bow is my quietest bow. It uses the highest percentage of created energy, more than any other bow I have.
And Eddie my friend, your CRAZY. Blunts or not, I aint reaching for any arrow from any bow! OUCH
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One of the biggest losses in speed from a bow comes from hysterisis. Most of the hysterisis comes from overstraining the limbs durring the tillering process. An overstrained limb is not as safe as a limb that has not been overstrained. So faster bow can equal more durability as well. Same with sound, a faster bow will usually be more efficient than a slower bow, meaning more energy is going into the arrow instead of the bow. A very fast bow will usually be very quiet as well. No downsides to good performance until you start pushing the limits and loosing reliability. If you look at some of the relics from bows thousands of years old it is plain that they had a good grip on efficiency based on the designs they used. We are not comming up with anything new here, we are struggling to get archery back to where it was when the real pro's were building them, guys whose lives depended on performance.
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Yeah, Steve and Pearl, doesn't seem like gaining fps = gaining decibels. In terms of limb vibration seems the other way actually.
Gabe
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FPS can equate to more decibals if you do it by using lighter arrows.
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I've made a few that shoot over 180fps at 10gpp.
I've just finished a weird hornbow that is shooting at 175fps at 10gpp and i'm only drawing it 25 at the moment - I think it has a few more inches of draw in it.
I'm working on a yew recurve at the moment which has a lot of potential. Most of it is sapwood....light. The heartwood is just hanging on in there and hopefully I won't run out!
Have pictures and details on the ones above 180?
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half eye.......the balony word was a bad choice and when I used it I was under the impression you were saying that you had to have a slower bow to be quiet.I'll say this again I don't have anything against quiet in fact that is what I want also.I was defending the desire to improve bows through the use of a chronograph.Sorry for my word choice.Settling for good enough is not in my nature.I'm 58 and have had a gun in my hand since I was 5 years old too and enjoy this bow making process.The numbers of animals I've killed don't make me feel big about myself in fact I enjoy seeing wildlife live and breath all around me more now than ever.I've lived in the sticks all of my life.I'm glad to hear you are a hunter too that appreciates wildlife.Again sorry to ruffle your feathers there.I'm good if you are.
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Gun Doc.......I'm sure I'll be able to maintain here.I'm pretty picky about whose leg I look to hump nowadays........LOL.
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half eye.......I guess what goaded me into saying balony was at times advice is slung around here by what people read not actually doing it for a long period of time.I've seen your bows and in no way discredit the bows you make.They are perfect tiller and that is an art in itself.Opinions are opinions and have to be respected.
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Have yall ever been down range of an arrow with real feathers not plastic on it? Well I have some idot shot while I was pulling my arrows from the target as well as every one else was to. I never heard the bow but the buzzing of the feathers was loud as heck. I think more often than not they hear the feathers buzzing more than the bow. the best way I can descibe it is scary as can be but really it shouded like a swarm of bees was inside my ears.
I have to admit I never thought of that and I have had arrows come close to me. They are loud, you can easily hear them from at least 20 yards away
Its weird how that works on the receiving end the arrow flight is much louder than the sending end. You would think the sound of it would travel in both directions giving that sound waves go out in all directions. all I know is that sound I heard that day will stick with me forever.
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The sound is loud on the receiving end because that's the direction the air is being compressed in. The air is like a whole bunch of really tiny balls bouncing about in all directions (we call repetitive patterns in that bouncing sound). When something moves through it, it pushes the balls (on average) in the direction it's traveling in. For example, is a train louder when it's coming at you, or going away from you?
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haha nice to know the science behind it. never did do well in since class but was a wiz in history and math you would thing some one who is good in math would be good in science. :o
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Eddie I use to do the arrow catching thing myself. Got so good at it That I stepped it up a bit
to a .38 special. Might coulda caught the second one if the first one had'nt killed me.
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Eddie I use to do the arrow catching thing myself. Got so good at it That I stepped it up a bit
to a .38 special. Might coulda caught the second one if the first one had'nt killed me.
LOL...
Sounds like the Irish man who woke up one morning to find he was dead and the shock of it killed him!
Del