Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: toomanyknots on July 22, 2012, 07:21:38 pm
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Well, not really "sapwood backed", probably going to be more like "linen backed". Pics:
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I have been toying with this stave for a while. I was going to chase a ring on it, just because I feel like it is obligatory with osage most of the time, but I am just too lazy. Plus I am horrible at chasing rings, and more importantly, I hate chasing rings. Long ago, threw my laziness in regards to chasing rings on osage, I was rewarded with the insight that I don't absolutely need to chase a ring, so I figured screw it I will make another sapwood backed osage selfbow. Or thats what I thought I was gonna do, until I sanded right threw a knot in the middle of the back, in a part of the limb that will be bending. So I guess I could of just chased a ring in the first place. Anyhow, I found some linen I had left (THANK GOD) and am probably going to back it with it. Here is the knot in the middle of the limb:
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It's smaller and a bit hard to see in the picture, but last time I had a sanded threw knot in the middle of the limb, it was a mulberry longbow I was making. And that bow broke right at that knot. So I am definitely wanting to back this bow with something. My game plan is:
- Sand the back to where it is good enough to be backed
- Floor tiller
- Steam band the recurves
- Back the bow with linen
- Do the nocks
- Tiller
- Sand the bow to 600
- Add Linen thread wraps at the ends of the linen backing strips
- Shoot it
- If tiller stays good, finish it, and go shoot some crap in the woods.
One thing I am confused about, which really doesn't matter, is if I should thread wrap the ends of the linen backing before tillering, or after. I am kinda paranoid about the backing coming off on the tips when tillering, so I almost always wrap the ends of the backing before I tiller, (whether it be sinew or linen or plant fiber or whatever). But I just hate not being able to remove wood under the backing as well...
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Are you doing that in a bedroom? Man my wife would kill me!
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Are you doing that in a bedroom? Man my wife would kill me!
;D Ya, I sorta turned an unused bedroom into a place to make bows last winter because it was so cold outside. My wife hates it. ;)
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Well I have been working on this slowly. The cross section is not perfect at all. It is a rectangle that is fat on one side and small on the other. As well as I have a tendency to mis-align a bow when the stave is naturally reflexed. So I am a bit scared of recurving the bow to a full contact recurve in case the bow becomes unstable or mis-aligned at brace or when drawn. I think I could easily just flip the tips, to where the tips are slightly recurved but not where they actually contact the string. (But that is just not as fun, :D.) So I am leaning toward full contact static recurves, and hoping that I left the tips fat enough to correct alignment if I have to. Also, I was thinking of trying an oval cross section, to try to lessen the effect of an uneven cross section. My other option I guess is to just cut threw the back rings and even out the cross section to an even rectangle and hope the linen backing holds the back together. Although I will probably not do this. Either way, hopefully I will get the tips flipped/recurved tonight, get it backed tomorrow, and start tillering the thing on Wednesday.
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Are you doing that in a bedroom? Man my wife would kill me!
;D Ya, I sorta turned an unused bedroom into a place to make bows last winter because it was so cold outside. My wife hates it. ;)
Yeah I could never do that....LOL The wife would flip. Plus don't have an extra room.
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Nice looking piece of wood, straight as a string. If the cross-section is off though, that'll make it want to lean. How long is it anyway?
Oddly enough, I like chasing rings on hedge. I did have a couple of sapwood backed staves though, gotta see if I still have one of those.
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Tom, the stave is 63 3/4" long. I screwed up recurving the recurves last night, the first one I tried to bend was after an hour of steaming, and it popped out of the form while bending it. So it only got "half" recurved. I am thinking maybe that is a sign that I should just go with flipped tips? ;D Welll anyway I am not listening to it. I figure I'll get some more aluminum foil and get it recurved this morning/afternoon, and tonight it will be cool and I can take it out of the forms and get it backed with linen. Then tomorrow I can get it cleaned up and tillered hopefully, or start on tillering it... Also, if it popped out, it might not of been ready to bend yet, so I'll try and hour an a half of steaming instead of an hour and see if it bends easier.
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For what it is worth I have success dry heat bending osage but none steam bending it.
Good looking stave, hope it turns out very well for you.
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You do have the right length for a static tipped design. I want to give one of those another try, I've flipped tips but never made a successful truly static-tipped bow. I just bought From the Den of the Old Bowhunter and will study Stevenson's designs a bit and try and copy it.
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For what it is worth I have success dry heat bending osage but none steam bending it.
Good looking stave, hope it turns out very well for you.
This will be my first time steam bending osage. I have had no luck at all with dry heat. Although I have used dry heat (my stove top) to bend an osage bow in the handle to align it successfully, most of the time it will crack on me or a splinter will lift while bending. I got both of the recurves steamed in so far. Both are done and it is cooling as of 4:30 today, it is now about 5:20, so maybe around 7:00 I will take em out and back it with linen. The recurves bent easily enough, nice and easy and all. I think the one was just slipping out of the recurve form. It slipped out this time but I put it back in with the quickness, with the help of my very kind fiance. So I am not sure how that one is gonna turn out. I am actually not sure how either or them are gonna turn out, but time will tell I guess. Based on how it looked to me looking down the bow, and how the first recurve attempt that failed wanted to bend, I am thinking that the recurves are going to be leaning to different directions. Or actually, both will be leaning to the right I think, but when looking down the bow, they will look like both are going off in different directions I mean. So I am hoping that I left enough wideth to just remove wood from each side of the recurve to get it aligned, maybe with some narrow tips if I have to.
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Well, as far as I can tell the steaming was successful. I put it away at 4:30 to cool and rest. At 7:30 I unclamped it to see how it went. There was just a tiny bit of lifting on the belly, but most of it sanded away with just a bit of sanding, so I'm very happy. It was just a couple little fibers trying to start to lift, but I'm thinkin the metal ruler might of kept em from actually lifting deep and causing a problem. One recurve went off to the right a bit, and one went to the left, so when you look down the bow they look aligned, but the limbs are actually tilted a bit to the side. But I am (hoping) I can fix it. It is not too much by any means, (I hope, ;D). Here are some pics. I will either get it backed tonight (probably) or tomorrow:
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Lookin really good so far, 2Many!!
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Looks awesome. Can't wait to see how it turns out!
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Lookin really good so far, 2Many!!
Ditto ;)
Cipriano
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Thanks everybody! I actually didn't get around to backing it last night, so my plan is to back it today and get really working on it tomorrow. Thanks for looking yall.
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Very nice, too many. I hope it turns out well for you. I've made osage w/o chasing but that was because I had to. Done BL that way too but had no choice there also or just didn't know any better back in the day. When I have a choice I chase. No "soapbox" today. Too much going on in my life at the moment. Just be careful. I hope you are using a rope and pulley. Good work so far. Jawge
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Very nice, too many. I hope it turns out well for you. I've made osage w/o chasing but that was because I had to. Done BL that way too but had no choice there also or just didn't know any better back in the day. When I have a choice I chase. No "soapbox" today. Too much going on in my life at the moment. Just be careful. I hope you are using a rope and pulley. Good work so far. Jawge
Thanks George. I actually don't have a rope and pulley right now, my basement is the only place I have that I could hook something like that up, but right now we are fighting a leaking and mold problem down there. Hopefully we will move by the beginning of next year, and find a place where I can get a pulley system set up. Thank ya for the kind words, hope you are doing well.
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Thank you, too many. I hope that mold problem is solved. I'm doing ok. Little brother is sick. Keep making bows. Good stress relief. I've even tillered by just raising and drawing over my head Massey style. A mirror or window at night is good too. Just came in from 3 hours of mowing and weed whacking. That's good for stress too. :) Jawge
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Thank you, too many. I hope that mold problem is solved. I'm doing ok. Little brother is sick. Keep making bows. Good stress relief. I've even tillered by just raising and drawing over my head Massey style. A mirror or widow at night is good too. Just came in from 3 hours of mowing and weed whacking. That's good for stress too. :) Jawge
I hear that. In fact I can relate a bit. Our cat, my fiance's oldest cat, has something called a rodent ulcer on the top of his mouth, right by an artery. It has been bleeding so bad that he has been vomiting blood. Blood has been dropping out of his mouth so much it looks like tarrentino movie. We had to take him to a animal ER over the weekend and spend close to a grand (on a veterinarian credit card) to get him a blood transfusion because he had lost so much blood the vet would not do anything for him without getting one first, as well as cauterize his mouth with a lazer, as well as get one stitch. At first the vet just wanted us to speed 900 dollars for this and that without even addressing the blood that was coming out of his mouth, ( :o) I'm guessing because his mouth was not bleeding at the moment, and she probably just wasn't taking us seriously because of that... Anyway, after all of that, two days later, he is bleeding again. So we are back to square one. My fiance is losing it, she just sits there and wipes blood off his mouth with a towel. We have 600 left on the credit card and don't know exactly what to do. As nothing the vets do seem to work to close this stupid thing. Apparently rodent ulcers aren't even that big of a deal normally... Seems like a little cut in his mouth would be an easy thing to take care of. On another note, I am sold on using a mirror. I will definitely use one to "floor" tiller this bow and get it to brace. I did that on a reflexed longbow recently and man did it work good.
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Hang in there, my friend. Life can be stressful. Hope everything turns out ok.
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A trick i've learnt with linen is to cut the strip bigger than needed then use a needle and thread to sew it tight on the belly side. Only takes a couple of minutes and you can get the linen nice and stretched on the back. I think linen needs as much stretch taking out of it before it is stuck down.
If I were you I would cut up that credit card before it gets you 'in too deep'. I know it's easy to get attached to animals but maybe it's best to let nature take it's course. We are constantly bombared with nonsense media regarding animals and human traits this in turn allows us to be expolited (credit cards) by people/companies that couldn't care less about animals only money. Anyway best of luck and I hope it works out for you.
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A trick i've learnt with linen is to cut the strip bigger than needed then use a needle and thread to sew it tight on the belly side. Only takes a couple of minutes and you can get the linen nice and stretched on the back. I think linen needs as much stretch taking out of it before it is stuck down.
If I were you I would cut up that credit card before it gets you 'in too deep'. I know it's easy to get attached to animals but maybe it's best to let nature take it's course. We are constantly bombared with nonsense media regarding animals and human traits this in turn allows us to be expolited (credit cards) by people/companies that couldn't care less about animals only money. Anyway best of luck and I hope it works out for you.
I hear that. We were just almost paid off of all debt... so close... :'(, haha. I absolutely hate owing someone. Thank you for the kind words Mike, I do appreciate it. My power went out last night because of a storm so I didn't get a chance to back it, but I did it this morning. I think there is definitely a chance, however much I don't wanna think about it, that I could have fatal problems with alignment with this bow, as this is a funky stave sorta. Most of it is my fault though probably, the way I roughed it out and the way I went about it. First I am hoping all is well with alignment. And if alignment is off too much to get a bow with the static recurves, then I am hoping I can pike the recurves a bit and at least get a bow with smaller recurves/flipped tips.
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lookin good!! love them curves!
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lookin good!! love them curves!
Thank ya!
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Here is some (way too much) tillering on the longstring. Bout ready to brace and find out if the alignment will be stable... (please ignore the ridiculous faces, ;D I was trying to look at the tiller in the mirror in front of me... ). It is feeling about 40#'s unfortunately, the reflex is kicking my butt at making goal weight... Also, I think I am a bit out of practice...
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First brace at 5 3/4":
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Alignment looks good, the bow is stable. (yay!):
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Real pretty shape on that one. I can't wait to see it all finished up!! :P
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That's looking very good. Looking forward to seeing it at full draw.
George
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nice tiller so far. 8)
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Good looking bend there Knots, that's got a sweet profile!!!
Get her done and dolled up I want to see a shooter vid :)
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Good looking bend there Knots, that's got a sweet profile!!!
Get her done and dolled up I want to see a shooter vid :)
Thank ya coaster! Hopefully I will have some pictures of the finished bow up soon, maybe in a couple days if I am lucky! I will try to get a shooting video up, lately youtube has not been uploading my videos correctly, but I will try to work around that, ;D.
nice tiller so far. 8)
Thank ya Weylin! Nice yew haul, btw!
That's looking very good. Looking forward to seeing it at full draw.
George
Thank ya George!
Real pretty shape on that one. I can't wait to see it all finished up!! :P
Thank ya Lesken. I can't wait neither, ;D. Here is a fulldraw photo. Hopefully I will get it finished up in a day or two, and have some pictures of the finished bow up. Thanks for taking a peek guys!
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Nice bends!
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Looking good,love the curves and the bend. :)
Pappy
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I'm a little late chiming in here. Great job, thats a super looking bow. Where did you ever find that stave?!!
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That's a lovely tiller you got there! :)
The lower limb appears a bit short. Is it shorter than the upper?
Keep them coming. You're doing great.
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awsome bow Toomany:-)....tiller looks spot on from here.
Cheers
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Very nice work! Tiller is great. Jawge
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Good job, 2Many. I bet that thing really flings an arrow!!
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Very sweet shooter Knots!!!
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Thanks everybody! 8)
"The lower limb appears a bit short. Is it shorter than the upper?"
Darksoul: It might be bending a bit more on the bottom, or it might look that way because I am canting the bow in the picture, but both limbs are the same length.
Thank you for all the kind words everyone. Hopefully I will have some pictures of the finished bow up soon... ;D
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Man, that's a beauty! :-*
I sure love these curves.
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Nicely done sir! Nice flowing curves. Josh
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Beautiful bend toomany. Sapwood contrast with heartwood looks awesome.
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That turned out great, I have a little set of billets that's gonna go that same exact way. Very, very nice!
George
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I finished this one a while ago, but never got around to posting any pics. Figured I would post some now while I got the chance. It came in at 60#@ 26", and holds 1" of reflex.
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That really turned out nice Knots, I mean very nice :)
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Good lookin recurve,nice job. :)
Pappy
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Man that came out looking sweet. Very nice curves and tiller
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Nice one, I like your finish work.
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That's not just a bow. That's a work of art. Jawge
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Great!!!
What is width and thicknes at recurved place?
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Oooooooooooooooooooo. That's nice!
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It looks really good, now sweep and vacuum that floor. >:D
Grady
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That is a beauty toomany! Your unorthodox style of shooting always throws me off for a second or two. :)
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Well played, Knothead! You are always more than a little meticulous at your finish and tillering. I'm get a little thrilled when you post a bow, I like your workmanship, always have.
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Druid, thank you!. The recurves start out at 1 1/4" wide tapering to 11/16" wide at the nock. Thickness wise, they start out about 5/16" thick or so, tapering to 1/4" or a little less at the nock.
Coaster, Pappy, Keenan, Parnell, George, Lostarrow, autologus, okie64, JW, thank you all! Means a lot coming from yall.
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Well done.