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Title: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Finished Arrow)
Post by: MWirwicki on September 19, 2011, 11:53:03 pm
Getting ready for hunting season.  Of course, we probably have built/chosen our weapons.  Now we're in arrow mode.  Thought I'd post this as a build-a-long, just for kicks.  Don't be too hard on me...

1.  Choose the end of the arrow you wish to be the nock end.  Cut a slot parallel to the grain of the arrow shaft.  This will be the slot which will hold the horn reinforcement.  I used a band saw but was a bit nervous about it.  Perhaps taking the time to install a finer toothed blade would have been the better choice.  It worked but, safety first.  If you don't feel confident, then use a hand saw or a couple 2 or 3 hacksaw blades taped together.

2. Smooth slot with a file.  Slot should be close to 1/8-inch wide, give or take.

3. Your finished slot should look similar to the pic.

4. Cut horn reinforcement shim.

5. Size shim to match the slot you cut in steps 1-3.

6. Cut the shim to length.

Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows
Post by: MWirwicki on September 20, 2011, 12:03:40 am
We'll continue on until it's time to close up shop and go turn in for the night.

7.  Final test for fit.  While you're in arrow mode, it's much more efficient to make more than one.  Typically, I like to make at least a dozen, even two.  For these however, I am going to install obsidian hunting points.  I only have 3 so, 3 shafts it is.

8.  Apply glue to slots and shims.  Insert shims into slots.  Fit should be snug.  Hide glue works very well.  TBII or III works well also, and it is supposed to be water resistant (proof, or something along that nature).

9.  Clamp overnight.  Depending on shaft material, clamps shouldn't squeeze too tight.  My cedar shafts dented a bit from the clamps but, I think it'll work out in the end.

It's getting late.  I suppose it's time to turn in.  To be continued....
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows
Post by: George Tsoukalas on September 20, 2011, 03:26:13 pm
Nice reinforced nock buildalong. Jawge
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows
Post by: Pat B on September 20, 2011, 10:19:43 pm
Nice work. Lets see more!  ;)
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows
Post by: fishfinder401 on September 20, 2011, 10:45:10 pm
im glad you are doing this, im thinking of doing a couple for my remaining bodkins
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows
Post by: Denham Archer on September 21, 2011, 12:03:52 am
Lookin' forward to this!  Can't wait to see the finished nock.
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows
Post by: MWirwicki on September 21, 2011, 01:11:36 am
Here we go - day number two. 

10.  The glue is dry, shafts with reinforcements are ready for trimming.

11.  Remove the excess length of the horn shim.

12.  Remove the excess side material of the horn shim.

13.  Picture shows three shafts, ready for string grooves.

14.  File grooves for the bow string.  I used a small round file.  2 or 3 hacksaw blades taped together may also be used. 

15.  Picture shows a finished string groove.

Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows
Post by: MWirwicki on September 21, 2011, 01:27:23 am
16.  Okay here we go - Picture shows 3 shafts with shaped nocks.

17.  Now it's time to decorate the shafts.  I lightly scorch the shaft with my propane torch.  Gives them a primitive "river-cane" look.  Okay, the secret is out.  I cheat a little.

18.  Wrap the nock with back sinew thread.  With the reinforcement shims, I don't really feel that the sinew wrapping is a necessity.  However, when the arrow is finished, it looks good.  Maybe it provides some insurance if for any reason the horn shim wants to drive into and split the shaft.  Did I mention, it looks good.  I think so, anyways.  You might choose to forego this step until its time to attach the feathers.  If you wrap the front and rear of the feathers with sinew or even colored thread, you can continue the wrap into the nock area.  I've done it and think it looks good, also.

19.  Picture shows a finished sinew wrap. 

20.  No picture but, at this point I feel its time to apply a finish to the arrow shaft.  I dip my arrows in the same finish as my bows.  Then I stand them up over newspaper to dry.  Overnight of course, which brings us to the end of day two. 

It just dawned on me,  I wished that I would have prepared 12 shafts.  Even though I don't have enough stone points, they would be ready for when I do.  Duh!
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: Pappy on September 21, 2011, 08:31:07 am
Nice job Matt,thanks for sharing. :) :) I usually don't reinforce mine except on cain where I use a dowl but I may give this a try  :) :) Looks simple and I like simple. ;) ;D ;D
   Pappy
   
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: Bryce H on September 21, 2011, 09:18:01 am
They look really nice! Regarding the decoration, do you have a problem when you burn them like that with them warping? I have done that several times with my arrows because I love the way it looks, and 99% of the time they then warp and are twice as hard to bring back to straight...
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: MWirwicki on September 21, 2011, 10:41:12 am
I very lightly scorch them.  I did get carried away on the one in the pic.  I haven't had any warpage.  Maybe, because I dip them in a sealer afterwards. 
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: Matt S. on September 21, 2011, 03:29:21 pm
This is a great build-a-long! I've made a couple of reinforced self nocks, but used a hardwood reinforcement tab since I don't have any horn. Yours look great! Thanks for taking the time to post it.
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: Pat B on September 21, 2011, 04:11:53 pm
I've made a few sets of arrows with reinforced self nocks but none with horn. I used thin osage on one set anf rawhide on another. Both worked(and are still working) well.
  Nice build-along.
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: Gus on September 21, 2011, 05:00:34 pm
Excellent Thread!

Thank You for posting your method.
Still trying to get my head around Primitive Arrow construction...   :)

-gus
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: coaster500 on September 21, 2011, 05:07:25 pm
Now that's slick...  Is horn heavier than the wood? Does it add weight to the back? Just curious.... 

Very interesting build :)
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: MWirwicki on September 22, 2011, 12:44:58 am
Coaster500:  I didn't weigh the difference between a hardwood splint and the horn, but I imagine the difference is negligible.

I wasn't able to do much in the bowshop tonight.  :(   I'll continue the buildalong likely tomorrow evening.  Thanks for all of the nice compliments.  I'm enjoying this, myself.
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Day Two)
Post by: MWirwicki on September 26, 2011, 01:40:45 am
Okay we're back!  The kid's football game, chores on Wicki Farms and the Honeydo list... Well, you know how that can be. 

We left off with applying the finish on the arrows.  Still kicking myself for not building a dozen.

20.  The picture shows the finish after it has dried.  The extra two or three days doesn't hurt anything. 

21.  Full length turkey feathers are cut using the little woman's scissors (It'll be our secret, okay?)  ;) Leave a tail on both ends for sinew wrapping. 

21a.  Wash the scissors of any traces of evidence.

22.  Place the cut feather in a fletching jig clamp.  Position feather in jig to allow for sinew wrapping (and fingers).  I know, not too primitive.  Did I mention that I cheat a bit?

23.  Glue the feathers using the fletching jig. 

24.  Picture shows all three feathers with feathers glued.

25.  Trim the feathers to your desired shape.   With a careful, consistent eye you can use the scissors.  My eyes are no longer that consistent,  :o  hence the feather burner.  If you want to get even with the little woman, do it inside.  >:D It smells pretty bad. :laugh: ;D :D

Well that ends Day Three.  Next we'll wrap the feathers then attempt to tie on the obsidian points, which oughta be good.  I've never tied on points before. 

Getting late again, hope Miss Heather doesn't read this.
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Finished Arrow)
Post by: MWirwicki on September 28, 2011, 12:24:55 am
Well, here's the finished arrow.  Sinew wrapped each end of the feathers and the obsidian point.  Can't wait to stick her in my quiver in a few days.
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Finished Arrow)
Post by: HoBow on September 28, 2011, 09:38:35 am
Thanks for the build-a-long.  Looks simple enough   ;)
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Finished Arrow)
Post by: CherokeeKC on September 28, 2011, 02:09:34 pm
Great build-a-long!!  Thank you!
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Finished Arrow)
Post by: Ifrit617 on September 28, 2011, 06:52:33 pm
sweet build along and great looking arrow...
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Finished Arrow)
Post by: MWirwicki on September 29, 2011, 12:34:38 am
Thank you all for checking in on it!  I just finished installing the remaining points on my other two arrows.  So, now I have three of these ready for our opener, in a couple of days.  The build-a-long was fun. 
Title: Re: Build-a-long: Horn Reinforced Self-Nock Arrows (Finished Arrow)
Post by: Lee Slikkers on September 29, 2011, 12:49:15 am
Those are so sweet Matt...next time roll up a Baker's Doz and I'll the buy the 1 extra off ya....could really use a lucky arrow for my opener as well, hope they make a healthy blood trail for ya!