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Title: Magyar Horn Composite
Post by: james parker on June 24, 2011, 09:29:59 pm
Here is a Magyar Hungarian style horn composite that i've been working on for some time now.  i just finished it up today.  Specs are: 51" from tip to tip, 49" from groove to groove, 65# at 30".  It has a maple core, handle, and siyahs.  Elk leg sinew, sturgeon fish bladder glue, velum lamb leather cover, painted dark brown with gold hungarian floral motifs at mid-limb.  Has a Hungarian stag at the upper limb, a snow leopard on the lower limb.  Has a turul falcon on the top and bottom of the belly at the siyahs.   
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Post by: mullet on June 24, 2011, 09:37:09 pm
That is a nice looking profile. Let's see some more pictures, close-ups. ;)
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Post by: Pat B on June 24, 2011, 09:57:55 pm
Oh! He's such a tease!  ::)
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Post by: dbb on June 24, 2011, 10:02:39 pm
It always amazes me what power and drawlengths these fragilelooking bows can deliver..
looks is decieving.
Good job...but we want more pics ;)

/Mikael
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Post by: james parker on June 24, 2011, 10:06:22 pm
im working on getting more pics,, my files are too large , im having to work on them,, more pics soon >:D >:D
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Post by: Elktracker on June 24, 2011, 10:17:24 pm
I was gonna wait to comment until you had more pics up but man from what I see and hear I like this allot! always wanted to make one of these!. Nice work look forward to more pics!

Josh
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Post by: gstoneberg on June 24, 2011, 10:38:03 pm
Wow, another great bow!

George
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Post by: JW_Halverson on June 24, 2011, 10:45:28 pm
I especially wanna see details of the falcon....and the money shot, FULL DRAW!
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Post by: toomanyknots on June 24, 2011, 11:41:10 pm
"Oh! He's such a tease!"

Thats what I'm saying! This is one I've been waitin ta see, looking nice!
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Post by: 4est Trekker on June 24, 2011, 11:51:00 pm
Excellent work, James!  I'm amazed at both the bow and the patience/skill it took to produce it.  Looking forward to some more pictures. :)

Regards,

Curt
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Post by: MWirwicki on June 24, 2011, 11:53:38 pm
Beautiful.
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Post by: Lombard on June 24, 2011, 11:58:44 pm
Another nice one Robustus. How many man hours do you put into a piece like that? Do you think that you will be doing a build along sometime? I for one would be interested in the process.
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Post by: JBL on June 25, 2011, 12:42:38 am
James what a great bow.  I love the Magyars throw a heavy hunting hunting arrow with authority.
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Post by: james parker on June 25, 2011, 01:12:36 am
pics
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Post by: james parker on June 25, 2011, 01:15:44 am
pics
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Post by: james parker on June 25, 2011, 01:19:17 am
pics
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Post by: crooketarrow on June 25, 2011, 01:20:19 am
  SWEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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Post by: ErictheViking on June 25, 2011, 01:21:02 am
Perfection!
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Post by: blackhawk on June 25, 2011, 01:23:45 am
U should've put a " warning...please wear a bib before viewing"  because you just made me drool all over myself
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Post by: woodsman on June 25, 2011, 01:33:01 am
Wow! That's just plain amazing!  :o

          Bob
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Post by: Weylin on June 25, 2011, 01:35:04 am
That's really an incredible piece of work. you should be proud of yourself
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Post by: toomanyknots on June 25, 2011, 02:03:41 am
!!!!!!!! Did you paint that? You are a man of many trades it seems. Incredible.
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Post by: Gus on June 25, 2011, 02:15:36 am
Simply Beautiful.

-Gus
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Post by: BowJunkie on June 25, 2011, 02:17:56 am
OUTSTANDING  :o
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Post by: JBL on June 25, 2011, 02:21:41 am
BRAVO!!!  The full draw picture shows the perfect profile for those bows-just amazing.  I want one:)
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Post by: 4est Trekker on June 25, 2011, 02:45:17 am
Man, I gotta change my britches now!   ;D   What a bow!!!!!!!  I simply can't get over how these bows bend.  Just beautiful.

Regards,

Curt
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Post by: Marlin on June 25, 2011, 03:45:56 am
Man thats cool. I have been wanting to try one of those. That is some awesome work there man.
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Post by: Gordon on June 25, 2011, 04:14:07 am
Wow!
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Post by: SA on June 25, 2011, 04:15:34 am
that is a very nice  bow ,my hats off to you bro.
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Post by: bubby on June 25, 2011, 07:32:37 am
and the winner for bow of the year,  :o :o :o, wow, Bub
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Post by: fusizoli on June 25, 2011, 10:13:34 am
It looking great James! Congrats! It touch my hard, really .



Cheers Zoltan
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Post by: Ifrit617 on June 25, 2011, 10:36:17 am
Awesome... Just a masterpiece...
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Post by: Arrowind on June 25, 2011, 02:54:51 pm
email...post....typing....whatever.....just isn't good enough to describe how awesome that bow is.  GOOD JOB is an understatement.  NICE WORK doesn't cut it.  WELL DONE not strong enough.  MASTERPIECE is getting there.   AWESOME! well still and understatement. I hope someday to be able to build such a bow.  An exquisite piece of art my friend.  good job. 
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Post by: Parnell on June 25, 2011, 03:14:54 pm
Wonderful James, I like the artwork on that one.
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Post by: Justin Snyder on June 25, 2011, 03:27:23 pm
WOW James, very nice looking bow.
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Post by: druid on June 25, 2011, 03:38:59 pm
Amazing bow....!
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Post by: barney on June 25, 2011, 05:31:20 pm
Superb bow there. You've really thrown down the composite gauntlet with that one (I'll have to raise my game and then some).

Couple of questions: What's the unstrung profile like once it's balanced and tillered?

And what did you use for the gold decorations? I've a couple of Turkish bows on the way and was wondering about alternatives to gold leaf.

Once again,

Congrats on a beautiful bow.

regards,

Barney.
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Post by: Timo on June 25, 2011, 09:12:09 pm
Heck of a job on that one James. I always admire your skill level on such projects,more than I want to tackle.  Top shelf! ;)
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Post by: beetlebailey1977 on June 25, 2011, 09:49:40 pm
That is a sweet bow.  Fine craftsmanship.  Just awesome work!
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Post by: HoBow on June 25, 2011, 10:14:19 pm
Amazing!
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Post by: Alpinbogen on June 25, 2011, 10:15:39 pm
That is outstanding!  There are relatively few guys making selfbows and backed bows, very few making ornate composites, and extremely few making such superb examples.  Feel proud being that one percenter of a one percenter of a one percenter!
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Post by: Gaur on June 25, 2011, 11:57:11 pm
Sweet bow James.  Nice to see better pictures of the details than on the skype camera.  ;D

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Post by: Young Bowyer on June 26, 2011, 12:44:31 am
Well slap me in the head and change my pants, thatss outstanding!  >:D
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Post by: james parker on June 26, 2011, 07:03:12 pm
many thanks to all of you for your great , and positive comments.attached is a pic and video link ,shooting the bow......... thanks again all  :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPXhDAXzq8
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Post by: RyanY on June 26, 2011, 07:15:50 pm
Too cool. What an amazing job on that bow. Thanks for sharing.  ;D
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Post by: Mechslasher on June 26, 2011, 09:13:28 pm
i shot this bow last weekend and it shoots even better than it looks.  but ya'll ain't seen nothing yet.  wait until ya'll see the bows he's still working on.
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Post by: Lee Slikkers on June 26, 2011, 09:21:42 pm
i shot this bow last weekend and it shoots even better than it looks.  but ya'll ain't seen nothing yet.  wait until ya'll see the bows he's still working on.

Now that just isn't right...can't drop a comment like that and not back it up.  Heck, I probably don't even believe ya  ::) 8)
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Post by: toomanyknots on June 26, 2011, 11:23:01 pm
Sweet video. I was wanting ta ask ya to do a video, but I didn't know if you would feel like it, looks like an out right joy to shoot! So what, do you have about every type of horn bow known to man replicated now? lol Maybe you could compare em.
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Post by: Ifrit617 on June 26, 2011, 11:45:55 pm
Just stunning... Wish I had the skill and patience to make one of those...
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Post by: Pat B on June 27, 2011, 01:32:29 am
I saw(and touched!  8) ) about 4 or 5 others in various stages of completion at the NC State Shoot at Hickory a month ago. Each one was from a different culture.  8)  I think James has this stuff figured out pretty well. Don't ya, Ugly!!!  :P
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Post by: Lee Slikkers on June 27, 2011, 10:21:58 am
Pat, I was trying to get them to post up more pics...hoped maybe a "doubting Thomas" routine would draw them out  ;D
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Post by: Stonedog on June 27, 2011, 11:40:29 am
WOW!  Just Wow......
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Post by: ohma2 on June 27, 2011, 12:14:19 pm
beautifull :o
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Post by: dragonman on June 27, 2011, 12:25:00 pm
Beautifull bow, excellent craftsmanship, well done.....
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Post by: Will H on June 27, 2011, 01:06:14 pm
Holy %$#@!!! That thing is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D  :D :D ;D
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Post by: Pappy on June 27, 2011, 01:23:26 pm
Another beauty James,very nice work as usuall. :) :)
   Pappy
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Post by: wildwills on June 27, 2011, 02:50:10 pm
Beautiful bow James...nicely done sir!
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Post by: Cooper on June 27, 2011, 03:32:51 pm
Well, I think everything is said - just great!
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Post by: shikari on June 27, 2011, 05:04:39 pm
Hi James,
Another great bow,Now I am about to start a stink,let me see a bow sinewed with tb3 do the same,Like I told you I would sooner flush my sinew down the crapper than use tb2-3 with it,lol.cheers
P.J.
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Post by: Mechslasher on June 27, 2011, 09:35:03 pm
here's a pic of james working the limbs into full draw last weekend.  it was a rocket launcher then, can't imagine how fast it shoots now that he has it back to full draw.  james hadn't put the velum on then and the sinew job was flawless!
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Post by: Strongbow on June 27, 2011, 11:22:04 pm
Beautiful bow, and the details are exquisite.  This is a work of art...a deadly high performance work of art  ;)
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Post by: 65x55 swedis on July 01, 2011, 09:44:18 am
is that a thumb ring i see you using?? ??? :o :o really cool if you are
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Post by: Barrage on July 01, 2011, 11:32:31 am
That is a gorgeous bow James.
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Post by: crooketarrow on July 01, 2011, 11:55:25 am
   Like I said before thats SWEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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Post by: nativenoobowyer86 on July 01, 2011, 12:07:07 pm
That is just plain awesome! look at those tight little bends......wow!
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Post by: bareshaft12 on July 01, 2011, 11:14:34 pm
Thats a sick looking bow man,supercool!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: woodsman on July 01, 2011, 11:36:11 pm
Wow again!  ;D
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Post by: medicinewheel on July 02, 2011, 04:20:18 am
Simply perfect, like all about it!
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Post by: biocarbon on March 11, 2013, 10:46:46 am
Dear James!

I'm Hungarian amateur archer.
I saw your bow in some picture and I like it.
Your work is precise and beautiful.
Symbol on a bow very nice.

What long you can shot with the bow?
Bowgrip only sinew rigid had?

Thanks your answer.
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Post by: steelslinger on March 11, 2013, 11:18:15 am
That is just outstanding! I would love to hunt with something like that.
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Post by: simson on March 11, 2013, 11:25:05 am
I see this wonderful bow for the first time. Thanks for bringing it back ttt.
Incredible work - outstanding!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Dictionary on March 11, 2013, 11:45:06 am
An impossible bow!
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Post by: burn em up chuck on March 11, 2013, 01:36:31 pm
      just beautiful, very very cool, thank you for having a lot of pictures. feel free in continued show and tell.
can't get enough.

                                                                                        chuck
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Post by: Christian Soldier on March 11, 2013, 03:08:27 pm
Great looking bow man.

How long did it take to make that masterpiece?
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Post by: Peacebow_Coos on March 11, 2013, 03:46:10 pm
One of the raddest bows I've seen to date, killer tiller, workmanship, finish etc.! :'(
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Post by: mikekeswick on March 11, 2013, 03:48:25 pm
Very good bow.
How long did you let the sinew cure?
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Post by: tom sawyer on March 11, 2013, 04:31:33 pm
She's a beauty of a bow.

What kind of horn did you use on the belly?  And did you v-splice the siyahs or are they bent from a single piece of maple?

I made something like this once, it didn't come out nearly as nice as yours but it was a heck of a lot of fun to put together.
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Post by: missilemaster on March 11, 2013, 05:03:34 pm
Boy James, I always start hyperventilating when I see a new post from you. Exceptional as always!
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on March 11, 2013, 07:23:32 pm
That is an amazing work.  I can't imagine how that feels to shoot. 
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Post by: juniper junkie on March 11, 2013, 11:00:08 pm
that is simply incredible :o excellent craftsmanship
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Post by: Keenan on March 11, 2013, 11:20:06 pm
I have never seen a bow from you that didn't make me drool! Incredible as always
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Post by: BowEd on March 12, 2013, 02:18:37 am
Wonderful work James.
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Post by: coaster500 on March 12, 2013, 02:30:36 am
Just no getting by it Mr Parker you are a master craftsman.....  amazing work!!!!!

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Post by: BowEd on March 12, 2013, 10:33:22 am
James....I see you gave your bow the extra attention to detail that it deserved.One thing,I watched your video of you shooting and could'nt help but noticing that,now correct me if I'm wrong you were shooting on the right side of the bow being right handed.Can you explain the reason for this?I assume you are using a thumb ring.I am not familiar seeing or doing this.
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Post by: bhenders on March 12, 2013, 11:03:41 am
One thing,I watched your video of you shooting and could'nt help but noticing that,now correct me if I'm wrong you were shooting on the right side of the bow being right handed.Can you explain the reason for this?I assume you are using a thumb ring.I am not familiar seeing or doing this.

I can answer that for you (sorry, don't mean to butt in here but...).  When using a thumb draw the arrow goes on the 'outside' of the bow so that you are shooting off of your thumb and not your fingers.  When you hook the thumb around the string, you also rotate the hand INTO the string to keep the nock on the string.  This also presses the arrow into contact with the bow and allows you to shoot from ANY position.  With this grip and draw style you can hold the bow horizontal with the arrow on the bottom and still shoot.  Most ancient styles of shooting used thumb draws and not the 'English' three finger draw.

The thumb draw also eliminates most wrist slap if you're doing it correctly because the string is released straight and doesn't come off the fingers and into the wrist.  The Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Romans, Sassainds, Turks all used thumb draws.

You can use a hard plastic or horn  thumb ring or just use the thumb from a leather glove or make a simple leather thumb ring. (Note:  Hard plastic or horn thumb rings take some time getting used to shooting with - I've found that they introduce a measure of quantum uncertainty in my shooting so I use a leather one. )  Def: Quantum Uncertanity - I hit the target or the neighbors yard.

The actual mechanics are:  With your hand facing downward, hook the thumb around the string just below the arrow nock.  Bend your index finger down over your thumbnail to lock the grip and rotate your wrist so your hand pushes into the string.  Pull back to your anchor point and then release both index finger and thumb... it acts just like a quick release.

Easier way to learn:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg0wmBeoRoc
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX8UQEmXB7s  (check out the bow he's using - NOT traditonal  )
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Post by: BowEd on March 12, 2013, 12:07:37 pm
bhenders....well thanks for the reasons and demonstrations you sent.Very good video.Making it easier to shoot from a horse too.Interesting.I noticed that the arrow nock must snap properly to the string.Using the mediteranean style like I shoot I can pinch the arrow slightly between index finger and middle finger to keep it socketed tight against the string if the self nock is too loose.Dangerous to a degree I know.But not have the pressure exerted to the arrow shaft that the thumb release does.Although taking a bigger bite onto the fingers mediteranean style can put pressure on the shaft to a degree too.The thumb release I see reduces the friction of release.More like a trigger.I assume someone can shoot an asiatic with a mediteranean release if they want to yet.
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Post by: rhansen on March 12, 2013, 01:43:08 pm
Ok, now that is cool!!
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Post by: tanner on March 12, 2013, 01:53:49 pm
I guess I'm late to this party. That is probably the coolest bow I've seen in my year of trolling this site! Very well done!

PS - change your web address in your signature. I had to go google-stalk you to find the correct one. Fantastic work sir!

http://www.huntworthy.net (http://www.huntworthy.net)
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Post by: bhenders on March 12, 2013, 02:52:39 pm
...But not have the pressure exerted to the arrow shaft that the thumb release does...

The arrow nock gets locked into the string by the twist of the wrist.  Never had one fall off yet.  You can shoot them any way you want.  I got an inexpensive Korean bow and it's a joy to shoot and FAST too.
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Post by: Bowman on March 26, 2013, 03:54:22 pm
Fantastic awesome bow. No.1. :-)
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Post by: swamp yeti on March 27, 2013, 09:31:32 am
I am like Terry,for somebody that has the sakulites,he sure makes pretty bows.
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Post by: Sidewinder on March 27, 2013, 10:06:40 am
uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh.
 Thats the first time I can remember being left speachless looking at a bow. There are not enough superlatives to describe how fantastically beautimous that bow is.
 I guess we need to start a new catagory for bow of the month cuz you would win the backed bow one everytime. 
 Wished I knew ya cuz I know I could learn a bunch.    Danny
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Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on March 27, 2013, 10:23:22 am
This is the prettiest zombie thread I've seen in a long time.  I love the craftmanship.
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Post by: redroad on March 27, 2013, 10:35:22 am
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Rafael on June 15, 2013, 06:10:07 am
Stunning work! My congratulations!
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Post by: swamp monkey on June 15, 2013, 06:13:21 pm
I am in humble awe.  That is superior craftsmanship.  I didn't notice any mention fo what the horn came from.

wonderful job that one.  simply wonderful.
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Post by: berny on June 16, 2013, 05:05:20 am
Nice looking piece of work!
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Post by: ohma2 on June 16, 2013, 11:17:33 am
as  usual james top shelf.