Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: criveraville on May 26, 2011, 12:00:13 pm
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I got this rattle snake yesterday. Came from Brownwood, TX. I have heard them called Red Velvet rattlers, but I'm not sure.... This skin will be headed down to Georgia soon..
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Got me, maybe it got too much of that red Texas dirt on it? ;D Should make a pretty bow backing.
George
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That's oneof them sissy rattlers ain't it? :D
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I dont know, but I found a cane break rattler on the side of a dirt road down here over 20 years ago in September that had a pinkish tint to it. Havent seen one like it since.
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I've seen a few timber ratlers in GA that looked like they had a sun burned belly. Ron
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I have also seen some pinkish timber rattlers in GA.
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"red phase" WDB?....98% sure he's not a canebrake...even though some of the "coastal" canebrakes have awesome coloration.
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Pink Rattlers', :o save them for me and Nate. :D :D :D
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pink rattle snakes
isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse ? >:D
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It's an oxblood rattler ;)
never gets old....
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You'ins are so funny ;D
Well, when I unwrapped the snake today from the multiple Walmart bags, it turns out it wasn't the snake in the pic :-\ :'(
I called my friend from church. Let me back up a bit.. I let all my buddies know to PLEASE save me any and all snakes they happen upon... He gave me a nice 7 ft coach whip, and he texted me the above pic, asked if I wanted it. Said his daughter killed it in the farm in Brownwood (which happens to have an aboundance of flint).
I said, YES. Well, turns out she killed 2 rattlesnakes, and she didn't save the pink one :'(
But what could I do??? Complain??? I just wish I hadn't even seen pics of that beautiful creature at all..
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dang that thing would have looked good strecthed out on hickory
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You telling me Ken... I couldn't hardly wait for you to do your magic with it. I will post pics of the snake I did get maņana..
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Im not saying somebody is trying to deceive you, but that isn't even very good photoshop work. Looking at the background you can see that the color isn't right, unless all the dry sticks in Texas are pink that is. Does this look a little more real?
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Pink rattler...
Wonder what it tastes like...? ;D
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Justin, good obversation...I can't tell the difference. They all look the same color to me, for the most part (red green deficiency blindness). :-\ I did see some photos after a search yesterday showing some "red colored" WDB's...so idk. Is awful interesting the "pink" rattler was one that didn't get saved some how ::)
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Pink rattler...
Wonder what it tastes like...? ;D
Taste like Schicken............... :P
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Looks like a Western Diamondback to me. JMHO God Bless
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could he be sunburnt ;D ::)www.google.com/search?q=red+rattelsnake
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Pink rattler...
Wonder what it tastes like...? ;D I'd guess quiche ! ;D ;D
Wayne
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Hey, Cipriano, did you read my PM ?
Wayne
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It's most definitely a Western Diamondback. The "coon tail" gives it away. There can be some variation in the color in the species, but they all have the coon tail.
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It's most definitely a Western Diamondback. The "coon tail" gives it away. There can be some variation in the color in the species, but they all have the coon tail.
While all normal phase WDB's have the banding, Mojaves, and Ruber's also have a "coon" tail. Even some sidewinders can have a bit of that banding. But yeah, as Justin said this is a photo shopped western diamondback.
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It's most definitely a Western Diamondback. The "coon tail" gives it away. There can be some variation in the color in the species, but they all have the coon tail.
While all normal phase WDB's have the banding, Mojaves, and Ruber's also have a "coon" tail. Even some sidewinders can have a bit of that banding. But yeah, as Justin said this is a photo shopped western diamondback.
Yeah, there are other rattlesnakes with the coon tail, but you're not going to find a Mojave, Ruber, or Sidewinder in Brownwood, TX. You see a coon tail in TX, and it's a Western Diamondback. If it's not, you got yourself a paper to write.
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Good point ;D
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Good point ;D
One that was hammered into me by my Herpetology prof. "Always check the range map before you look at the pictures Mark." ::) ;D
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Thanks guys!!! Some of you are as funny as some of my first graders when I teach them the difference between new and knew by saying, "I got new choes." O:) It never gets old and they always laugh..
Y'all really think my buddy was messing with me?
PS... My students dad called me yesterday to tell me he got me a snake. I drove out to the dairy he works on and he had a 33 inch copperhead for me. That's without the head and minus 2 inches of the slim tail end ::)
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That's one big copperhead.
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NTD,
Yes it is. I thought the 29 incher I sent Ken75 was big!! He used it and another copperhead skin I sent him and made a sweet little recurve with it that my son claimed. Ken's a gracious guy.. He's only done one copperhead bow a d he sent it to me ;D. Don't get any nicer than that. Sorry to hear you are having a dry spell up in Arizona. Last year I collected about 84 skins on my own. All road kill. This year I've gather close to 30. It's been a super year so far. I've traded em all and sold one in Nevada.
Do you go out and hunt them in the desert? I have gone out late at night and that's when I got that 29 inch copperhead. It was 2:30 in the morning. But gas being as high as it is, can't do that much.
If you're in a bind for skins PM me and we can work something out.
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seems like after our flood there are a lot of snakes here this year ;D
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I do a lot of field herping but I will not kill snakes, if that's what you're asking?
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Ok. Do you catch a lot of live snakes? Just curious ;)
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I find a lot of live but usually stay hands off as often as I can.
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. I see. That's gotta be fun and exciting
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Sorry for the short responses, my computer is broken and I'm limited to posting with my phone.
It is defintitely a good time if you're a reptile nut like myself. I much prefer the skins of snakes to stay with their owner's but if the animal is dead I definitely would prefer it grace the back of someone's bow than rot somewhere.
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NTD, im somewhat like you
when i am in the woods if i see one i keep hands off and just look
we dont even have the poisonous ones here to worry about and i still keep hands off
i dont usually see many at all
but this spring during turkey hunting i seen atleast 3 garder snakes
2 were rather small,about 18"
but the last i seen was big enough for a bow back,she was atleast 3-3.5' long
i havent seen one that long in years,maybe even decades
i thought about aquiring it for a bow back
then i thought, no that would just be wrong
that snake aint never done nothing to me so i have no reason to harm it
so i let her keep going on her marry way ;D
besides after not seeing one that big for so many years,i didnt want to harm her
she should make good breeding stock
if her skin was meant to adorn the back of a bow for,i will comes across her when shes dead ;)
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I have seen quite a few this year also. I prefer the hands off approach also. I saw a gopher snake Friday that was over 6 feet which in unusual with everybody killing everything they see. It was kind of refreshing to see one live that long. I also saw a breeding pair of red racers. The reds are amazing looking snakes, but I cant bring myself to kill one much less two.
I have some friends that are ranchers that kill every rattler they see so I get them to save them for me.
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You guys make me jealous with your fancy lookin snakes. All we have around here are black snakes and a few corn snakes. A guy from work gave me a nice corn snake that he swears is a copperhead. I tried to tell him that it isn't one, but he won't listen. He kills them whenever he sees them. I got one black snake that was wounded on the road, and one that was too close to my Dad's house. The one from the road was a little more alive than I thought. He bit me on the hand. It took 13 days for the last tooth to work its way out.
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NTD
I hear ya.. I'm mostly on my phone and I make hear ya ;) Im basically of the same mind, but I will kill poisonous snakes, but most folks, even "educated" folks think the only good snake is a dead snake.. So I pit the word out if they do such a thing, to PLEASE not let it rot and go to waist.. Now I get calls all the time to go pick up snakes. Most are pesky chicken snakes full of chicks or eggs and many water snakes full of bait fish. I have a buddy that runs a fish farm and they the snakes get caught and drown in the fish traps.. Before I spoke with them the let em be and rot... Now I "recycle" em and mail em all over the US 8)
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The irony about killing rattlesnakes is that you are often creating a more dangerous situation. Most people only see a rattlesnake that they first heard. Well in urban interface areas this pressure is leaving snakes that are genetically predisposed to not rattle as quick or much at all. There are even areas where some snakes are losing their rattles all together, the quiet ones don't get seen and subsequently murdered, and therefore pass those quiet genes on to their kids. I'd much prefer the dog growls before he bites me.....
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I have read about that and seen documentaries on the subject on tv. Natural selection type stuff, but that subject matter in and of itself tends to work folks up.. Like in college, a world lit class and different flood stories from different cultures really worked folks up... Like hot skipping mad >:D Me, I have my faith and it's based on faith O:) I know what I know. And what I know is that I am blessed beyond what I deserve, and that's a fact ;)
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It's an oxblood rattler ;)
never gets old....
;D ;D ;D
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I have read about that and seen documentaries on the subject on tv. Natural selection type stuff, but that subject matter in and of itself tends to work folks up.. Like in college, a world lit class and different flood stories from different cultures really worked folks up... Like hot skipping mad >:D Me, I have my faith and it's based on faith O:) I know what I know. And what I know is that I am blessed beyond what I deserve, and that's a fact ;)
You're bordering on the no-no territory here. What I'm taking about is not controversial at all...
Not even Intelligent design scientist's deny natural selection, so I really don't know what the heck you are trying to say. Have you had a vaccination recently? Eat any beef or chicken? Do you have a dog? These are all empirical, observable and repeatable occurences of natural selection. These are things YOU observe with YOUR own eyes. This has nothing to do with the volatile issue of ID versus Evo.
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NTD, I agree with you.. I didn't think it was controversial. I agree with you. That's what I was saying. I see it all the time, even in my backyard. I have a minor in biology and it is amazing how animals adapt and change over time. What I was saying is that TOO many people deny that such things can happen with animals and what I was saying is, that to me, I can see these things and it doesn't bother my sensibilities ;)
I do have a dog, Lucy. No, vacation, but I sure could use one... I do eat beef, chicken, and many other critters often ;D
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Ah okay, I see, my bad :)
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Naa.. It's great to have discourse in this very unique discourse community.. I love the idea of linguistics and referents and such... Since joining this site I have developed a "primitive archer" vocabulary that didn't exist before in my schema.. ;)
PS.. If you ever get some sheds, I could use a few in my classroom.