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Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Marc St Louis on March 19, 2011, 11:57:06 am

Title: Unknown Bird
Post by: Marc St Louis on March 19, 2011, 11:57:06 am
I wonder if there are any bird watchers or people with a good knowledge of birds here.  I saw a bird yesterday that I have never seen before and am unable to identify.  It was a small bird not much more than 4" in length, by itself and it was not very weary of me; it came to within a couple feet of me.  I took several pictures and a short vid of it.  We have a book on NA birds but I can't find it in there.  Here are some of the pictures I took.  Anyone ever see such a bird?

Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: Pat B on March 19, 2011, 04:10:28 pm
Marc it is hard to tell from these pics. Might be an immature goldfinch or possibly a female. A better pic showing the beak will help with the ID.
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: HickoryBill on March 19, 2011, 04:18:51 pm
It's an ARIEN!!!   Seriously though I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: criveraville on March 20, 2011, 03:28:51 am
I know it's not, but baby Mocking birds look like that.
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: Sparrow on March 20, 2011, 02:45:13 pm
LGB  (Related to LBG'S, (Little brown birds)  What state are you in ?  '  Frank
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: JW_Halverson on March 21, 2011, 12:28:56 am
My first thought was a pine siskin because of the striping on the back and the V tail, but the breast was too plain.  I showed the pics to a friend that is an ornithologist and she's pretty certain this is a female goldfinch in winter colors.  Goldfinches are one of the very few songbirds in all of the western hemisphere to molt all their feathers TWICE a year.  And when your feathers combine to weigh more than your entire skeleton, that's a major investment in calories!

Either that or it's a venomous duck.
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: Pat B on March 21, 2011, 12:51:28 am
Jokn, I thought you were going to say falcon food!  :D
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: JW_Halverson on March 21, 2011, 12:57:18 am
That ornithologist I mentioned?  My favorite quote of hers, "Two types of birds.  Hawks and hawk food."
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: sailordad on March 21, 2011, 01:09:02 am
not trying to hi jack your hread here Marc
but heres a pic of what i saw out my window friday
somekind of bird of prey

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2425/1002460qh.jpg)
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: JW_Halverson on March 21, 2011, 01:11:11 am
Cooper's hawk or a sharp-shinned hawk.  They cruise the local birdfeeders. 
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: El Destructo on March 21, 2011, 01:15:15 am
Could be a Merlin's Falcon too...I have them at my Feeders all spring and Summer...they love my Fat and Sassy Finches...and an occasional baby Grackle!!!
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: Pat B on March 21, 2011, 02:28:19 am
Merlin was my first thought. We have sharp shinnned hawks that nest near our house every year. Love watching them doing their mating flights and watching the young later in the summer practicing their fighting, mating aerobatics. Birds of prey are very special animals.  8)  We've lost a few song birds around the bird feeders but we've also lost 2 sharp shinneds hitting our windows. My wife has a collection of small chickens sitting on the kitchen window. They got one young hawk and the other missed a bird at the feeded and hit the window.  :(
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: medicinewheel on March 21, 2011, 06:46:15 am
Marc I'm sure it's a juvenile  Common Redpoll, Acanthis flammea, or Carduelis flammea. Or maybe a Hoary Redpoll C. hornemanni. I used to have those in a hugh cage as a child.
And the bird of prey I would think it's a Merlin, too.
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: Marc St Louis on March 22, 2011, 01:40:49 pm
It's just the wrong time of year for  juvenile bird.  He also had no trouble flying

Nice hawk, Tim.

Many year ago a fellow brought me a Sparrow Hawk to take care of.  He had found it either injured or it was a young bird, goes to show how long ago that was as I don't quite remember now.  I kept it for awhile and fed it raw meat but it finally got strong enough that it was ready to go on its own.  I remember towards the end he would perch on the hydro wires and I would throw up some pieces of meat and he would catch them in flight.
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: medicinewheel on March 22, 2011, 07:08:49 pm
Thought of that; maybe from a very late 2nd breed. Crossbeeks breed in winter feeding on fir seeds, maybe for the climate getting warmer the redpolls start doing so, too. European migraters noticably change behavior, too.
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: JW_Halverson on March 22, 2011, 07:56:09 pm
Sailordad, you're in Minnesota, right?  Merlins don't claim Minnesota, but both sharp shinned hawks and cooper's hawks cover that territory.  At least that's what is shows for territory boundaries in the Peterson Field Guide for Hawks of North America. 

Marc....I've got a young of the year male kestrel* and he's a heck of a character.  I enjoy the sounds of him crunching thru the skull of his breakfast mouse every morning as I feed him on glove.  For some reason he always starts with the heads, whether it's a day old chick, mouse, or grasshoppers. 

I've noticed that we primitive archers are more likely to notice the little birds, unusual flowers, odd trees, and such things than the wheelie boys.  I like that. 



*and all the US F&W permits that are necessary!
Title: Re: Unknown Bird
Post by: Bevan R. on March 22, 2011, 10:08:19 pm
I've noticed that we primitive archers are more likely to notice the little birds, unusual flowers, odd trees, and such things than the wheelie boys.  I like that. 

That is cause we are used to looking for arrows!! :D

Bevan R