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Title: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: questidore on March 12, 2011, 04:01:15 am: So many earthquakes happening around the world? Wonder what on earth is going on? Glad I'm developing some primitive skills.

/questidore
"Oh God, thy sea is so great.. and my boat is so small."
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Rick Wallace on March 12, 2011, 08:54:14 am: Quote from: questidore on March 12, 2011, 04:01:15 am
So many earthquakes happening around the world? Wonder what on earth is going on? Glad I'm developing some primitive skills.

/questidore
"Oh God, thy sea is so great.. and my boat is so small."
Amen Brother,Stock your house with food and water,,never know what might happen here................
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: sailordad on March 12, 2011, 10:43:14 am: Quote from: questidore on March 12, 2011, 04:01:15 am
So many earthquakes happening around the world? Wonder what on earth is going on? Glad I'm developing some primitive skills.

well personally i think that the Mayans and Nostradamus may be on the right track
both of them,plus others thru the history of mankind.have predicted the same date in 2012.
they that on december 21st or 22nd,i believe,that civilization as we know it will end.
not that the world is going to end,just civilization as we know it will.
some(most) scientists say that a bunch of b.s..
some of theose scientists claim tat on that date all the planets in our solar system will be lined up.
now we know what the moons gravitaional force does to our weather.imagine the change in our weather when all tha planets
gravitional forces are working together.they also say this hasnt happend in 10,000 yrs.other scientists say that this could cause the earths
magnetic poles to shift,which they also claim has been about 10,000 yrs since that has happened.

i dont know which,if any of these theories is correct.but it sure seems like they could be plausible with the way the world weather is changing.
the only thing i do know for sure is that i am going to make sure that me and mine are well armed in case anything happens.
the person(s) that can survive off the land and by his/her own hand,will be the ones to survive period.
those that rely on others(or the system of government) will be dead by the roadside.
i say this because when it comes down to it,everyone will take care of themselves and their families first and worry about others second if at all.
jmho and thoughts on the subject,not that its worth a damn either way ;D
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Grunt on March 12, 2011, 10:51:57 am: Big earth changes are coming. Best thing to do is stock a thee month pantry and start learning how to grow more food.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Marc St Louis on March 12, 2011, 10:55:48 am: It's been proven that this "planetary alignment" prediction is not going to happen
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: sailordad on March 12, 2011, 12:23:01 pm: heard on the morning news
that quake moved the island 8ft :o
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Pat B on March 12, 2011, 12:25:09 pm: The earth has been doing these things since it's beginnings millions of years ago. There are eathequakes happening every minute around the world. For some reason, we humans think we can control these natural occurances so we build near what we know are affected areas.
I am saddened by what has taken place in Japan as I was with Haiti, Chile, New Zealand, and orthe natural disaster areas but the severity of these occurances can be lessened by not building in vulnerable areas. Just look at Seattle, WA. If Mt. Ranier blows, Seattle is in the debris part of many of the past erruptions and will surely be adversely affected by such a tragity.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: sailordad on March 12, 2011, 12:29:50 pm: Pat, your right
never understood why people insist on living in areas that are prone to natural disaster year after year
in my part of tee country its seasonal flooding
this year they expect it to the worse year for flooding in a looooong time
we have areas that flood every year
and every year you see the same people on tv complaing that they lost everything
and yet they rebuild in the same spot again
then in a year or two,they do it all over again
dont quit understand the mindset for that :-\
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Jesse on March 12, 2011, 01:17:08 pm: Your not alone in noticing the increased frequency. These where warned about thousands of years ago as a sign to look for. Specifically earthquakes. These are also referred to as birth pains. "birth pains" tend to increase in frequency. These statistics only show mag 7 and higher there are also numerous smaller ones.
DATES FROM & TO PERIOD NO. EARTHQUAKES (Mag. > 6.99)
--------------------------- ----------- ------------------------------
1863 to 1900 incl 38 yrs 12
1901 to 1938 incl 38 yrs 53 Reference list 1901 to 1938
1939 to 1976 incl 38 yrs 71 Reference list 1939 to 1976
1977 to 2014 incl * 38 yrs 156 (to Sept. 2010) predict >190 in total. Reference list 1977 to date
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Pat B on March 12, 2011, 01:33:26 pm: Jesse, Japan has been keeping records for 140 years. In geologic time that is nothing. In the US, 110 years. What about the last billion years?(not trying to invoke a religious argument). Plate techtonics has been taking place since the earth's crust solidified. Japan has earthquakes every day as does anywhere that is near a tectonic plate line. It is all part of how the earth was formed and is still forming. It would be more scary to me if these phenomena didn't happen.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Jesse on March 12, 2011, 02:15:37 pm: I dont think its scary Pat. I think its exciting. ;D Also I dont believe the earth is billions of years old. Along with millions of people and thousands of scientists I believe the earth is around 10,000 years old.
Evolutionist Frederic B. Jueneman declres. The age of our globe is presently thought to be some 4.5 billion years, based on radiodecay rates of uranium and thorium. Such “confirmation” may be short-lived, as nature is not to be discovered quite so easily. There has been in recent years the horrible realization that radiodecay rates are not as constant as previously thought, nor are they immune to environmental influences. And this could mean that the atomic clocks are reset during some global disaster, and events which brought the Mesozoic [age] to a close may not be 65 million years ago, but rather, within the age and memory of man.

# Studies on submarine basaltic rocks from Hawaii, known to have formed less than two hundred years ago, when dated by the potassium-argon method, yielded ages from 160 million to almost three billion years (Funkhouser and Naughton ).
# The shells of living mollusks have been dated at up to 2,300 years old (Keith and Anderson.
# Freshly-killed seals have been dated at up to 1,300 years, and mummified seals, dead only about thirty years, have yielded dates as high as 4,600 years (Dort

It would be well to remember this: today’s science is tomorrow’s superstition. According to recent articles in various science journals, some astronomers are now saying that the standard techniques employed in measuring the age of the universe are significantly less accurate than new estimates based upon “compelling evidence” coming in from the Hubble Space Telescope. These findings appear to “indicate that the Universe is younger than its oldest stars, an apparent impossibility that will force a re-examination of our Universe model and how stellar ages are measured” (Jacoby .
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Grunt on March 12, 2011, 02:36:55 pm: I don't think earth changes will happen all at once. I think the changes will be gradual. I think food and fuel and clean water will be a lot more expensive. I remember traveling in South America in the 70's and they rationed electricity. I will probably happen here. My dad said during WW11 everyone had a "Victory" garden. I think we will need to do that again. Hopefully we will be able to provide a safe world for the kids.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: iowabow on March 12, 2011, 03:32:27 pm: Headline news
Dangerous debate religion, politics, and the Primitive Archer Community. A trilogy of volatile fumes waiting for a match to strike.
I always fine this discussion interesting about the collapsing of a civilization. There seems to be some real concerns and lessons that can be learned from the past. For example some pre-Columbian cultures fell apart because they consumed too many trees. There are examples of farming failure related to irrigation. The list can go on and on. Anyway just for fun I read "the stand" interesting story. It kinda makes you wonder what if? I think food will be a real concern in the future without the connection to disaster, oil shortages will be an issue based on rate of consumption without a cosmic event, there has been and will likely be an illness related disaster in the future.
Most of the time a when a collapse occurs it happens over an extended period of time and humans adapt.
Just think how much knowledge we now we have related to the past. If a bad event on a large scale occurred people will fall back on what they know. People will naturally group together and form local governments. People will lean toward a civilized structure because they want a safe environment for their children and grandchildren. I believe this because the greatest fear for a social group is the "other". People have banded together to form governments/communities to support each other and protect themselves from domestic and foreign threats. I don’t believe this system repeated by human for thousands of years will be abandoned. But you can be sure that religion and science will both play a part in repairing and rebuilding nations in the event of a global disaster of any kind.
I know that if a disaster happens I won’t be hitting rocks together! There are easier ways of doing things.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: HatchA on March 12, 2011, 04:05:19 pm: Pat and Sailor... I agree 100% about people living in these areas of bad natural happenings - Tsunami hits, people morn the losses, people rebuyild and come up with "early warning systems" to give them some sort of "preparation" for then next eventuallity... I think "if shit like this keeps happening, why don't you MOVE!!!???"

But then again... where would they move to?

The economic ramefications of entire nations of people looking for a "new home" are massive! There's a lot of countries on this planet that have the spacial capacity to allow for massive population increases - but the infrastructures just aren't there and the cost of putting them in place (at current level of capilism/commercialism) are astronomical!!

On a topic more related to the original post -

There's a guy in the U.S. who's job for the last 35 years has been to go into work every day, fire a laser at a bank of reflectors on the moon and wait for the laser to come back to him.

Every day... go to work... shoot laser... wait for it to come back... record the details.

After 35 years of doing this, he's able to compare the records from today against the 35 year old ones and he's now able to say that the beam takes 2 seconds more to come back now than it did when he first started doing it. The moon is moving further away from the planet Earth.

Mankind as a species has been damming up rivers and trying to control the natural run of things. The tides are controlled by the moon's gravitational pull on the water - maybe our stockpiling of rivers behind massive concrete walls has, over time, been affecting the equilibrium betwen the Earth and moon's gravitational relationship...
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2011, 05:08:22 pm: Japan is not being honest about the nuclear reactor,truth is once past the point of no return the shit simply hits the fan and nothing can stop it. I imagine about 500 square miles of Japan will soon be declared a wasteland off limits.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: sailordad on March 12, 2011, 06:39:26 pm: did you see the video of that explosion
the shock wave was most impressive :o
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: mullet on March 12, 2011, 08:06:10 pm: Yea, I'd hate to be downwind.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Jesse on March 12, 2011, 10:54:42 pm: Quote from: mullet on March 12, 2011, 08:06:10 pm
Yea, I'd hate to be downwind.
Yeah thats no good. The wind could spread that stuff hundreds of miles.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: ricktrojanowski on March 12, 2011, 11:07:31 pm: Quote from: HatchA on March 12, 2011, 04:05:19 pm
Pat and Sailor... I agree 100% about people living in these areas of bad natural happenings - Tsunami hits, people morn the losses, people rebuyild and come up with "early warning systems" to give them some sort of "preparation" for then next eventuallity... I think "if shit like this keeps happening, why don't you MOVE!!!???"

But then again... where would they move to?

The economic ramefications of entire nations of people looking for a "new home" are massive! There's a lot of countries on this planet that have the spacial capacity to allow for massive population increases - but the infrastructures just aren't there and the cost of putting them in place (at current level of capilism/commercialism) are astronomical!!

On a topic more related to the original post -

There's a guy in the U.S. who's job for the last 35 years has been to go into work every day, fire a laser at a bank of reflectors on the moon and wait for the laser to come back to him.

Every day... go to work... shoot laser... wait for it to come back... record the details.

After 35 years of doing this, he's able to compare the records from today against the 35 year old ones and he's now able to say that the beam takes 2 seconds more to come back now than it did when he first started doing it. The moon is moving further away from the planet Earth.

Mankind as a species has been damming up rivers and trying to control the natural run of things. The tides are controlled by the moon's gravitational pull on the water - maybe our stockpiling of rivers behind massive concrete walls has, over time, been affecting the equilibrium betwen the Earth and moon's gravitational relationship...

35 years of that. I wonder why our taxes are so high ;D
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: HatchA on March 13, 2011, 12:22:06 am: Quote from: ricktrojanowski on March 12, 2011, 11:07:31 pm

35 years of that. I wonder why our taxes are so high ;D

LMAO!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Jesse on March 13, 2011, 03:20:44 am: Quote from: ricktrojanowski on March 12, 2011, 11:07:31 pm

35 years of that. I wonder why our taxes are so high ;D
[/quote] No kidding. I need a job like that ;D. Might get boring though. How was your day?------- Just the usual------- shot a laser at the moon and watched judge judy---------- The laser is taking longer to bounce back lately -----so I'm getting overtime pay. ;D
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Elktracker on March 14, 2011, 04:05:42 am: Its hard to say what will happen when a natural disaster like this accurs in my area, I live about 60 seconds from the beach in Netarts Oregon and I know a tsunami or earth quake is going to happen eventually but all I can do is be as prepared as possible when it does. Luckily there is lots of high grounds within minutes of me and I have accumulated over the last couple years survival totes with 20lb of rice 20 lb of dried beens medical gear, wool blankets and emergency blankets cases of bottled water powdered milk, flash lights batteries, wind up radio, canned and dehidrated foods of different types and the list goes on and on. The totes weighs about 100lb each or more and I will have to be home to get them if something happens so that is a downside. My wife and I both have kits in our cars incase we have to head for the hill without notice or time. When it does happen I hope we are well enough prepared and equiped to survive. Hate to see what happened in Japan and other coastal communitys. Ill be ready in 2012 ;D
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: jamie on March 16, 2011, 08:29:23 am: ive read every book available on the subject of pre history, deluge, mayans, sumerian text. mankind is always predicting its end. not exactly happy with the state of affairs today and changes need to be made , but remember that in the dark ages the world was coming to an end, world war 1 and 2 were the end, its the perpetual cycle of doom and gloom. there is also a big question mark with the mayan calendar. the math isnt correct. important thing to do is to remember it could all end tomorrow so live love laugh. peace

p.s. eddie we are all down wind. the stock of spent bars from the reactors are sitting in a cooling pool right at the reactor site. unlike the u.s. where we bury the spent rods in mountains, japan stockpiles theirs in these pools. that place is a time bomb. 6 reactors and 20 years of spent rods waiting to go boom. the prevailing winds bring it right to us. most amazing thing is we just hired japan to help bring up the new reactors we are developing in the u.s..

have a great day guys. ;D
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Pappy on March 16, 2011, 09:24:59 am: I have some things in my life to worry about ,but the end ant one of them,I try to be prepaired in case of an emergence, but worried I am not. If it all ended today it's been a good run and a lot
of fun. I sure feel for them folks but when you choose to live in places like that you can expect at some point it's going to happen. :)
Pappy
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Autumnbear on March 16, 2011, 05:47:39 pm: I second that Pappy. Disasters happen and they suck when they do, but it is out of my hand so I accept that and change what I can.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: ricktrojanowski on March 17, 2011, 12:30:30 am: I think the Mayan guy writing the calendar probably got tired of writing so many future calendars, and just decided "2012 good enough" and stopped. Now people are freaking out over his lack of work ethic. ;D
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: JW_Halverson on March 17, 2011, 12:40:12 am: The Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world on my 50th birthday. Apparently my friends are planning quite literally THE PARTY TO END ALL PARTIES!

If you wish to survive this cataclysm, send me your name and address on the back of a $20 bill for consideration.
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: Pappy on March 17, 2011, 08:00:15 am: Rick/JW ;D ;D ;D ;D been a long week and I needed that. :) Nothing has really changed has it
Rick you still can't find good help. ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
Title: Re: 8.9 earthquake in Japan
Post by: toomanyknots on March 17, 2011, 06:51:17 pm: Probably shouldn't go outside too much for a couple weeks people if ya live in north america, at least till all these radioactive plumes (I think there is like 4 or 5 or so) pass by as much as they are going to.

"http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/science/17plume.html?_r=1"

They say it's not enough to cause cancer, they also said it was ok for all those 911 responders to breath in all that crap and now they are all dieing of all kinds of lung and brain cancer. They said chernobyl wasn't that bad at first either, and the death toll in still rising since it blew up in 86 and will continue to for however long the halflife is of all those radioactive particles like cesium. Map of chernobyl plume:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/ji17c8.jpg)

Now we got like 4 or 5 plumes from 4 or 5 reactors, not to mention the random fires and white smoke, if they are burning fuel rods, then they are emitting radiation as well. I don't know much but what the "experts" are saying is that the start of the radioactive plumes will hit the west coast friday, and that it will be too little to hurt. I know that it is said that ONE dust particle contaminated with plutonium (which is a very good amount worse than uranium, which was what chernobyl used) if inhaled by a dog, will kill it in one day. Fortunately for humanity and the japanese people, there happens to be plutonium used at one of the reactors in trouble. I have been following this for a while and it just doesn't look good at all. The best thing I have read so far is that the tokyo electric company is trying to get a power line up to supply the cooling systems with power, so they can start cooling all these overheating reactors down and get them under control. I would just like let all primitive archer members know that if your wife is pregnet or any family members have any critical health conditions, that this stuff is coming here in a couple days. Better to be over safe than sorry I figure. :)