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Title: points pics
Post by: Hillbilly on May 20, 2007, 11:04:03 pm
FINALLY got a little time to beat on a rock or two, about forgotten how to lol.  Made these two. The white one is a Hardaway side-notch, a local late paleo/transitional archaic point type. It's made from local quartzite with hammerstone, wooden billet, and a whack or two with an antler. I'm proud of this'un, one of the better points I've made from local rock-that Appalachian quartzite is tough stuff to knap. I also made a replica of a point that a six-year-old Clovis kid playing with his dad's knapping tools might have made lol. It's made from some of Justin's Utah obsidian. I like trying to replicate local points with local rock-I've seen original Hardaways made from the same type of material that this one is, except theirs looked better.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Flintknapping/clovisnhardaway.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Flintknapping/hardawaysun.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Flintknapping/littleclovis.jpg)
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 20, 2007, 11:10:00 pm
Nice looking points hillbilly. If yours look like points that a 6 year old made. Mine must be the points of a 3 year old taught by that same 6 year old.  :-[ Justin
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Pat B on May 21, 2007, 01:18:02 am
I'd hunt with either of them. ;) Nice Steve. That quartzite is tough stuff...if you can find some decent stuff to work with. Nice long "Clovis" scar there too.   PBS had the history of lithics in The Americas the other night. It was a rerun but still interesting. Was the Clovis the offspring of the Salutrien(sp) point? ???    Pat
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Dustybaer on May 21, 2007, 02:28:12 am
they look like pieces of art to me.  ;D
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: DanaM on May 21, 2007, 07:58:22 am
Dang Hillbilly nice work there if ya feel their not up to your usual standards I'm sure their is good home for them somewhere. ;)

Dana
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Pappy on May 21, 2007, 07:59:17 am
Very nice Hillbilly,you do some fine work.
   Pappy
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Hillbilly on May 21, 2007, 11:37:02 am
Thanks, guys. Pat, yeah, that quartzite's really variable. I'd like to have a house-sized boulder of this particular type. It would make really good hunting points, breaks razor sharp (I've got a nice deep slice on my hand to prove it lol). Justin, I'm trying to get the hang of working the obsidian, you sure can't draw back and whack it like this tough rhyolite and such stuff that I'm used to. :)  I'll send some of it back your way when I get some more time and get it figured out.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Dingleberry on May 21, 2007, 12:09:41 pm
Nice Work,  you think you could teach me some of them skills at hickory. :)
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Hillbilly on May 21, 2007, 01:24:19 pm
Jonathan, the best thing for you to do at Hickory is ignore me and watch James Parker and Barry McCall.  :) Those dudes are awesome knappers- watching them knap is where I've picked up most of what little bit I know. A little less beer, Beam, and white lightnin' helps, too  ;D You whacked on any of that obsidian yet?
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on May 21, 2007, 01:41:53 pm
          Really "kuell" points Steve ! I luvs hardaways next to dalton's and cahokia's ! Did i say I luvs hardaways ? ;D Wish I could make it to Hickory this year, Iam sure there will be much to see and appreciate......bob
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 21, 2007, 02:53:31 pm
I hear you Hillbilly. I got to where I could turn out a point consistently.  Then I quit knapping for a while.  Now it seems like every time I pick up a piece of obsidian I make sand. It gets really frustrating at times. Justin
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: mullet on May 21, 2007, 03:57:17 pm
  Those are some good looking points Steve.I've been wacking on some of that Ryolite James gave me.I'm kinda, sorta ,startin' to like it.Try antler on the obsidean,it likes it more than sticks.Hey get time to work on some bows?
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Hillbilly on May 21, 2007, 04:26:55 pm
Eddie, we might get you hooked on real rock yet. I'll trade you a load of good quartz for some of that ol' junky Flint river stuff just to help you out.  ;D Yeah, I use antler on the obsidian. Only thing I use wood on is quartzite, grainy rhyolite, and limestone. After I get back from Hickory this weekend I'll get back to bow buildin, I promise :) I've worked on Justin's some, got it ready to brace, shouldn't take long to finish tillering.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: mullet on May 21, 2007, 07:22:51 pm
  I'm kinda short on ol' junky rock.The stuff I have breaks too easy. 8)
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 21, 2007, 08:16:09 pm
You guys make it sound like the rock breaking easy is a bad thing.  I like it that way. The more you break the more I can trade you for other stuff.  ;) Justin
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: cowboy on May 21, 2007, 10:58:57 pm
Those are some nice looking points Steve! I've tried fluting in the past and is something that eludes me - can't stand to get a nice point ready and then snap! kinda got me gun shy.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: mullet on May 21, 2007, 11:24:18 pm
    Steve,Tell Cowboy about...Hit it, Hit it, Hit it... :D
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Marc St Louis on May 22, 2007, 04:10:50 pm
Very nice Steve. Paul from just south of me gave me a piece of quartzite a couple years ago. It looks tough to knap, as if I would know :)
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: jamie on May 22, 2007, 04:42:36 pm
hillbilly both are amazing but that quartz point blows my mind.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Hillbilly on May 23, 2007, 11:44:16 am
Thanks again, guys. Cowboy, I just wish I could make points as nice as yours. I still break way more than I succeed with fluting, too. Don't ever knap around Eddie, he's not satisfied 'til he makes you break your point  ;D. Jamie, thanks-I'm working on your points, should get 'em out before long. 
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: jamie on May 23, 2007, 12:31:11 pm
no rush believe me
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: mullet on May 23, 2007, 06:26:38 pm
Cowboy,Don't believe him.I was just trieing to get him to set higher goals when it came to fluting. And if I remember right I wasn't the only one encouraging you to strive to be better. ;)
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Hillbilly on May 23, 2007, 11:02:40 pm
Here's the story Eddie's referring to: http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,718.0.html
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: mullet on May 23, 2007, 11:36:04 pm
   Steve,That was a good time,even getting stopped by the game warden going home.Nows a good time to plan for next year.I can get a load of rock by then.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Hillbilly on May 24, 2007, 07:53:35 am
Rock? Somebody say ROCK? We need to get you up here sometime to do some mountain huntin, too.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: mullet on May 24, 2007, 06:36:00 pm
I'm ready,I make the schedule at work now.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: cowboy on May 26, 2007, 11:27:28 am
Looks ya'll had a good time - always fun to get together. That coral is purty, and tough. Glad your fluting worked out OK, I couldn't get the pic's to open up all the way but saw enough to know what was goin on. Hit it!, Hit it!, it won't break, reminds me of a knap in I made last year - Had a very nice biface worked out bout eight inches long, they showed me the spider grab - I hit that nipple after about fifty test swings and snap, it didn't break but I had a wussy flute about a half inch long. I was too exhausted and stressed out to continue ;D.

Here's a peice of that coral.

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Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Little John on May 27, 2007, 11:25:40 am
Beautiful work, I hardly make any thing except sharp gravel.
Title: Re: points pics
Post by: Knapperderg on May 27, 2007, 08:40:09 pm
Nice points i wish mine that goodlol ;)