Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: smoke on February 15, 2011, 11:18:19 am
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Lately I've had the desire to attempt to replicate Art Young's trusty hunting bow. Would any of you have the dimensions of that bow? I know he preferred osage and shot bows somewhat short - in the 66 inch range but that is about all I know. Any insights are appreciated. Thanks
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Someone on here a few years ago built an Art Young replica bow.Have you done a search?
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Thanks Pat. I did do a search but didn't see anything.
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I'll see if I can fine dimensions for you or at least a discription.
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I googled Art Young's bow dimension's and got referanced to the 1995 traditional bowhunter artical by Joe St. Charles, Art Young's Bow, says it's a detailed look at his bows, nowif ya can just find a magazine from '95,
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Did S. Pope write them up in one of his books? It's been awhile since I read 'Hunting with the Bow & Arrow' and I just can't remember and the book is buried in a box I have not found yet after the move.
Bevan
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I'm with Bevan, I'm pretty sure Young's bows were similiar to Pope's from Hunting with the Bow and Arrow, only shorter (62-66") and Osage. Seemed like a basic ELB style bow with rawhide backing. Most of them were very heavy (85-90#) and had quite a bit of string follow (2-3").
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I'm reading "Hunting with a Bow and Arrow" right now. He does give dimensions of his bow. Maybe in the first addition books there are pictures as well. I can list the dimensions tonight if need be.
When hunting cougars they would run after their baying dogs through thick brush and trees. I am sure a little shorter bow would be an advantage in this situation.
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Many years ago, someone sent me an original paperback copy of Hunting with the Bow and Arrow. It has a middle section of photo's and line drawings of bows, arrows, fletching.
Bevan
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Thanks everyone. Hunting with the Bow and Arrow was actually my inspiration for wanting to do this project. Saxton Pope gives a great description of his bow but he was a "yew man" and there just aren't many yew trees growing in Nebraska. Osage on the other hand, is another matter. Unfortunately Pope doesn't give any description of Young's bow. So . . . any and all insights are welcome and appreciated!
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Where in Nebraska you at? I am out on the west end where not even Osage grows. :'(
Bevan
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Bevan, I live in Lincoln and hunt south of town near Tecumseh. Osage seems to be the dominant tree there. A friend of mine there cuts it and sells a lot of it on Ebay so let me know if I can help you acquire any. Also, if you are "out west" my wife grew up in Chadron - where are you?
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My house is between Scottsbluff (Home of Miss America 2011!!!) and Mitchell.
I think I have purchases some staves from your friend off ebay. I will be going through that area this weekend. Going to St. Joseph MO to meet a new sister-in-law and to try to fill my pickup with wood from my brother & sister-in-law's (not the new one) farm in Kansas.
In the book I have by Pope, he talks about making a bow from ceder. Is that the same book you read? It just seems to me that he describes both his and Young's bow & arrows. must be wrong.
Bevan
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Bevan, I don't believe that is the same book - in my book Pope was very clear that Yew was the best way to go. But I confess that I have a nice cedar stave drying now for a long bow - also obtained from my pal in Tecumseh. Let me know if I can ever help get you some staves from him - and I appreciate your insights here.
P.S. I'm not surprised one bit that Miss America came from your neck of the woods . . . a lot of pretty girls come from out there . . . my wife is proof!
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You might try contacting this outfit...
http://www.archeryhalloffame.org/Young.html
They might be able to help you.
Bevan
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i'll do one better than Bevan evan
call the POPE & YOUNG ARCHERY MUSEUM
its in chatfield mn
the curator is real nice older fellow
he loves talking about self bows and such
i will even give you the phone number ;D
507-867-4144
they have a MASSIVE collection of bows ,made by all the greats,on display
ive got pics and pics and pics,somewhere :-\
they even have arrows made by ISHI,and the same type of bow his tribe would have used
too much to try and explain here
give him a call,he would love to talk to you ;)
heres a sample of Mr. Youngs work that they have on display
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9044/1000928d.jpg)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1773/1000929w.jpg)
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Cool beans Tim!!
That is great.
Bevan
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if you guys want to see some more pics
ive got a couple (hundred) more from the museum ;D
i can show you a wall of bows that is so incredible
probably more bows than even Eddie has at home ;)
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Love to see the pics! Why not start a P&A museum thread?
Bevan
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Tim, are they more ALB style(flatter belly) or ELB style(deeper belly) ? For osage or yew this is a good design. Also, with as many shots as these heavy bows shot there is relatively little string follow.
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Pat, i went back thru a bucnh of photos from the museum
from what i can tell Mr. Pope & Mr. Young made their bows in more on an elb style
Mr.Hill & Mr St.Charles made their bows in more of the alb style
Mr.Bear,well his were them fancy laminated recurves(which i would kill,or maybe even worse for and original)
as far as the string follow goes
i think Mr. Young made slightly better bows than Mr.Pope did ;)
did ya see the one that was broken
i was told by the curator that happened at draw :o
if that wouldnt turn a new pair of shorts brown fast
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Thanks for posting those pics. I used to have a copy of that TB with the article on Art Young's bows........might have to order the back issue.
Darcy :)
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Be-utiful museum pics! *Salivates at eye-candy*.
Hey mods, we need a 'drool' smiley, hint, hint.
-Prof
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Thanks for the information and photo guys. I called the museum this morning and they were very nice but not especially enlightening. The person I spoke to suggested that the best thing for me to do is visit the museum . . . which may be what I do some coming spring day. In the meantime, Bevan, I'll follow up on your suggestion as well. Thanks to all,
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Another great book to read is "From the Den of the Old Bowhunter" by Nick Nott. It is about Chet Stevenson who was a local man here in Eugene, Oregon during the '20's and 30's. He made great yew wood bows in mostly the ELB style. There is a picture in the book of his den with the walls covered with bows and the floor stacked with arrows. Quite a sight. He used to head up the McKenzie River Valley as far as the coach would take him and then head out on foot with a 20lb. pack and bow and arrows for a week at a time. He even shot, probably one of the last remaining in Oregon, a grizzly down near Ashland, Or. with his bow. If I could scan that picture of his den I would post it here.
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Beautiful museum pics. Thanks for posting theme! Yep, I would like to see more in a new thread. Jim
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ok you guys talked me into it
i will start a new thread in "around the campfire"
i will go thru my musuem pics and post only the best of them
give me a day or two to get it going
my youngest is home on leave and has to go back tonight
after that i will have a little more time ;)
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While i have a great respect for Art young,i find it quite interesting and a bit sad,that recognition,is not givein nearly enough to Will Compton.If it werent for Mr Compton,Art Young and Saxton Pope,would most likely not be known,in the archery world.It was Compton who really Mentored the 2.Yes Pope's interest was kindled by Ishi,but i doubt that it would have gone much further than an anthropological interst.Compton,i believe,was the man responsible for reviveing the Bow as a serious hunting weapon,on big game animals.Unfortuneately,Mr Compton wasnt much of a self promoter either,and little is known of the man.The fact,that Mr compton wasnt inducted into the Archery hall of fame,untill 2010,when his students and others he mentored,were inducted long before he was,is testament,that many have forgotten him,or at least havent heard of him.I cant think of Pope and young,without thinking of Compton,in the same thought.I personally think of Mr Compton,as the Father of Modern bowhunting.
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While i have a great respect for Art young,i find it quite interesting and a bit sad,that recognition,is not givein nearly enough to Will Compton.If it werent for Mr Compton,Art Young and Saxton Pope,would most likely not be known,in the archery world.It was Compton who really Mentored the 2.Yes Pope's interest was kindled by Ishi,but i doubt that it would have gone much further than an anthropological interst.Compton,i believe,was the man responsible for reviveing the Bow as a serious hunting weapon,on big game animals.Unfortuneately,Mr Compton wasnt much of a self promoter either,and little is known of the man.The fact,that Mr compton wasnt inducted into the Archery hall of fame,untill 2010,when his students and others he mentored,were inducted long before he was,is testament,that many have forgotten him,or at least havent heard of him.I cant think of Pope and young,without thinking of Compton,in the same thought.I personally think of Mr Compton,as the Father of Modern bowhunting.
Thanks for bringing this up Traxx, got me researching some more info. :)
Darcy