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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: douglasb on February 01, 2011, 07:25:12 pm
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hi,
i am new to this site , just had a question for you guys what do you all think of woodland archery or rudder bows i got one of thier penobscot kit bows.
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The Latin Language has an Old Creedo......Caveat Emptor.....Let The Buyer Beware......Nuff Said.......
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rudder bows, alot of folks on here will bash them
i have done a fair amount of business with Jim
was always happy with what i got
my wife bought me a b/i 3 piece takedown kit from them for x-mas
i will say this about Jims products "THEY HAVE GONE DOWN HILL IN A HAND BASKET"
ive never bad mouthed him in the past,hell i ALWAYS stood up for him on this site
but that ends as of my most recent (or the wifes actually) purchase from them
the boo backing strips that are SUPPOSED to be planned down and ready for use
i will have to figure out a way to plan them down and make them thin enough for use
the ipe slats that came with it are of uneven thicknes(one compared to the other)
they also have sander marks in the in spots that are so friggen deep i dont know if they are even gonna be usable once i get them
sanded smooth and to the same thickness
so my advice from now to any who asks is gonna be this
"STAY AWAY FROM HIS PRODUCT,UNLESS YOU LIKE SPENDING HARD EARNED CASH FOR AND WORKING WITH INFERIOR PRODUCTS)
im not one that likes to send this stuff back,solely because as his customer i am responsibe for return shipping costs(see his warranty policy on this )
not to mention its up to him once he gets it back to decide wether or not its to be warranteed or not
so like i said,its my first bad ordeal with him and it will be my last
you would think i the economic times we are living in that people selling products would want them to be to the best of their abilities and not SUB PAR
its poor product that turns more people off of being a return customer,especially under these economic times
like Mike said "CAVEAT EMPTOR" NUFF SAID ;)
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my daughter ordered a penobscot double bow for me for christmas from woodland archery. when we got it , it didnt look like what we had ordered .i e-mailed jeremy bays the owner and asked him why it didnt look like the one we thought we were getting that we paid $150.00 for, he said because its not the same he makes a different type the one i got he said was made by jim boswell at rudder bows, i freaked out on him and said we wanted our money back and he has been jerkin us around ever since saying that since there are no defects in workmanship i am not intitled to a refund , forget the fact its not what we ordered.
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Everyone knows that the unhappy customer is the only one you hear from, the happy customers just go their merry way. In this forum, however, people tend to speak up and praise dealers and fellow traders when things go right. Having said that, it seems in prior posts involving Rudderbows there is a level of dissatisfaction that is unsettling.
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Rudderbows... not again... >:( >:( >:(
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Frank....Not just Rudderbows...now He has someone else selling His wares under a different Name....Woodland Archery...go there and look at the pictures of the Bows and Kits...look like the same Bows to me....JMO
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I've never ordered any bowmaking materials from Jim Boswell (Rudderbows). However, I have ordered several finished bows from them in the past. I'm not a bowyer so I can't debate the pros/cons of bow construction but the bows I purchased seem well made, shoot well, and have last for quite awhile. I don't know anything about Woodland Archery. I have never purchased any bow making or arrow making materials from Rudderbows so I can't say anything about that.
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Frank....Not just Rudderbows...now He has someone else selling His wares under a different Name....Woodland Archery...go there and look at the pictures of the Bows and Kits...look like the same Bows to me....JMO
To me, too.
He'd been here under different names, too, wasn't he?
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Yep....He has...
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I have never done business with him, but I've seen his ads and checked out his site. I won't ever buy anything from him. I have heard enough from unsatisfied customers to make up my mind. Seems like a crapshoot on if his products are any good or not. And anyone that has to change his name on bow making forums to try to sell their products can't be trusted in my opinion.
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With all the people here on this site giving their wisdom and experiences I would rather make an attempt no matter how much or little experience you may have working with wood to make my own bow and see what happens. The absolute worst thing that will happen is you will have a bow that fails and learn from your mistakes and gain a wealth of knowledge from your try at it and all who post here to help you. I've never bought anything from a vendor for a self bow or laminate but have had many good people here on this site help me out with a lot of the problems I have ran into. Its a lot of fun to boot even if they don't stay in one piece. Just watch out for the flying pieces when they blow! :o
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;D............. ;D............. ;)
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If you want to run the risk of having to deal with someone who will rip you off, go right ahead....
it's not about "bashing", its about bad experiences with the fellow..... sadly.
:o
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Might as well chime in. The guy ripped me off as well, not for a lot of money, but still. It was an order of Tonkin cane that was less than advertised. If I were you, I'd stay clear of him. Companies like that should really go out of business, especially ones preying on a very, very honest group of folks, which I have found bow makers to be.
I do hope Jim is reading this, the little dirtbag. Something tells me he does read things pertaining to his company.
Dane
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...i e-mailed jeremy bays the owner and asked him why it didnt look like the one we thought we were getting that we paid $150.00 for, ...
150 is a lot of $ for some slats of wood, no matter what stile they are cut to, right!?
I personally had the best of experience with Torges; several guys here on PA sell glue ups, too, and bows made from those blanks have been front runners in BOM contests, and with good reason.
PS: does anyone know Mr. Jeremy Bays personally? Or is that another aka for Jim Boswell ?? - Just curious...
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wow. there seems to be a lot of people that feel they got ripped off by him. since there isnt just a isolated instance, and there has been no attempt by him to make it right, then he has shoddy business practices. I feel that with all the discontent that maybe he shouldnt be allowed to advertise in PA. kind of casts a bad shadow on the magazine. IMO.
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wow. there seems to be a lot of people that feel they got ripped off by him. since there isnt just a isolated instance, and there has been no attempt by him to make it right, then he has shoddy business practices. I feel that with all the discontent that maybe he shouldnt be allowed to advertise in PA. kind of casts a bad shadow on the magazine. IMO.
Not a bad suggestion,...
It actually casts a bad shadow over the entire hobby and turns people off to the whole sport and hobby as well.
I know I nearly said to heck with it until some of the extremely stand up fellows on here went the distance and showed me that Boswell is the odd ball rather than the norm of what to expect.
Anyone pulling these kinds of stunts need to be ousted if they are going to do things like this to people. There's just no reason to treat others poorly for no reason except personal issues no matter who you deal with.
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nobody seems to like Jim and his Rudderbows but I would like to say that Jim was actualy very friendly and helpful with me........
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I've said in the past, and will again now, that I have nothing good to say about Jim & Rudderbows. His work and products leave a lot to be desired, and he has even spent time harrassing me via personal email. It sounds to me like lots of others have learned about him the hard way, like I did. His shoddy work ends up being your fault, and he has no desire to stand behind his work, or make things right. I am disappointed that PA mag lets him advertise, I wish they'd stop.
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Such hostility...... :'( Not very Christian like..... O:)
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Douglasb
When I first joined Pa I was asking for info on the penobscot. Got a lot of good advice from many members. It is a nice bow, but a lot of things can go wrong with them.
But, if you want to try one, take the advice that
El Destructo gave me....Make a couple of reflexes put em together and make them get along.
Kinda like marriage, sometimes it aient so easy.
BTW El D does have a nice pic of one that he made. Maybe he will post it for you.
Good luck
Ron
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maybe if ya used his bows as paddles instead of rudders they would be better !! >:D
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Douglasb
El Destructo gave me....Make a couple of reflexes put em together and make them get along.
Kinda like marriage, sometimes it aient so easy.
BTW El D does have a nice pic of one that he made. Maybe he will post it for you.
Good luck
Ron
you mean this one??
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Wow EL...
That looks great! :) :)
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Well I am glad to hear all of this....now I know to stay away. Thanks folks. ;)
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I'm really sad that so many people have had negative experiences with this person. As a someone who myself sells primitive archery-related things, I can't imagine how he can stay in business if there are so many problems with his products. I guess there are a lot of newcomers to traditional archery to take advantage of, so as long as he can make a living off them he can keep his business going...
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I hate to say this guys, especially those that want to share their opinion of Rudderbows good, or bad. I think just MAYBE it would be wise to express your opinions via personal messages rather than go after a company on a open forum. I understand the need /want to retaliate tward someone if you FEEL you were not treated fairly......I more than once have been guilty of that! O:) That being said Jim, like him (or his work) or not is a realitively large contributer to advertising to the magazine. I am even more suprised this thread has not been deleted for the interest of the magazine itself. Smearing a name, or a company is just not good practice to be in, especially if the magazine is itself allowing it.......again this may have slipped their attention, but the mods should be on this. If someone posts questions about any company (especially ones that pay money to this magizine) there is the PM to send your viewpoints, and enough of them one way or another will help the person in question decide their route of who to purchase from..... My opinion.
Brian
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But shouldn't PA have some standard for people who they permit to advertise on their website? If someone has a history of ripping people off, should they continue to let this person advertise? At what point the the magazine become culpable for the behavior of its advertisers when it knows of their less-than-ideal behavior?
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I don't think anyone wants to retalliate against him, they just want to prevent others from getting ripped off like they were. PM's only let one person know, an open thread like this lets everyone know.
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Everyone has an opinion, and the freedom to express it. The truth is the truth. Our responsibility is to express our opinions with respect, and I believe everyone has done that so far.
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But shouldn't PA have some standard for people who they permit to advertise on their website? If someone has a history of ripping people off, should they continue to let this person advertise? At what point the the magazine become culpable for the behavior of its advertisers when it knows of their less-than-ideal behavior?
I agree Eric. If this was just a random complaint it would be one thing, but IMO there are enough complaints to substantiate the fact there is a problem with Rudder bows products and service. People should be made aware.
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Yup
That's the one El D. Thanks for posting again.
Ron
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I totally understand your viewpoints, and it is true everyone has a opinion. I also would assume that PA is in the business to make MONEY. I know if it were my mag regardless of how I FEEL it would be in the best interest to stay neutral, having something like this on their message board is Not NEUTRAL......bottom line guys 10 peoples subscriptions do NOT outweigh the money that comes in for advertisement. As a advertiser I would feel betrayed by the MAG I am sending my money too. If PA feels Jim is ripping people off then let them deal with it......that is their choice. Today I get to go spend about $1500 in advertisement with a local phone book, if they bad mouthed ME in anyway I gurantee I would be aggressively seeking compensation. Opinions are the responsibility of the person that makes them, but to me when a board knowingly lets these opinions to possibly cause harm to ones business.....you begin to teeter on the edge of indorsement???? Just a thought.
It may seem as though I am defending Jim.....I am not!! I do wonder why when the stave was sent the question of a glue line was NOT addressed from the time the gentlemen got the blank??? Then he worked it??? On the other hand I wonder why Jim being a proffesional bowyer did not catch the flaw??? Seems there was more than one flaw (the knot) and IF this was a begginer stave it would seem Jim chose poorly on the belly wood. I have no idea how much product is moved through Jims shop. Is there the possibility that he has someone beneath him doing some of his work, where he never really inspected the wood??? Is it possible??? Regardless Jim SHOULD personally inspect every piece that goes out......just something to think about???
And to the question whether PA should have some kind of criteria for advertisers..........NO! Could you amagine the phone book with some sort of litmus test for advertisers give me a break!!! There are other avenues to complain about ones work.......BUT not on a site that is directly conected to the advertising source....If this thread was on ANY OTHER site I would not have made these comments, but the site he pays for.....makes me wonder????? I really wish Marc, or another adminastrator would clarify PAs position.
Brian
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This discussion tends to be re-occurring, and I'm not taking I sides. However, the initial problem Douglasb posted about concerned a kit that was purchased from Woodland Archery --presumably a different company than Rudderbows. Any misrepresentation of Douglasb's bow, or failure on the part of the company to stand by their product, should go back to the company the bow kit was purchased from; not a second, and possibly nonlibel company. If Woodland Archery is pushing Jim's product (or Howard Hill's, or Martin's, or whoever's) the beef is still with Woodland.
We probably should be careful where this post has headed. JMO.
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With this site actually being a business and not just a public forum, I can see your point Brian. I didn't really look at it that way.
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Thank you Scott, You said it much more graciously than I was going to. :-X :-X :-X
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Seems funny that the people on here think they are on a board of trustees to advise PA of potential problem advertisors....so be it... ;D
Scott you are not collecting a check from PA, you have a job (i assume) somewhere else. So, till you are........ you, I, everyone is on this board with at best a opinion....nothing more. ;D
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brian,the one thing i think you ar forgetting here is
douglasb asked people for their opinions of WOODLAND ARCHERY/RUDDERBOWS
so we are EXPRESSING OUR OPINIONS ;)
he asked,we responded
all be it mostly negative(this comes from a guy who used to defend Jim quit regularly on here,that being me)
but after getting inferior product,i refuse to defend him anymore
but will freely express to others my feeling when asked
once again,he asked,we responded
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brian,the one thing i think you ar forgetting here is
douglasb asked people for their opinions of WOODLAND ARCHERY/RUDDERBOWS
so we are EXPRESSING OUR OPINIONS ;)
he asked,we responded
all be it mostly negative(this comes from a guy who used to defend Jim quit regularly on here,that being me)
but after getting inferior product,i refuse to defend him anymore
but will freely express to others my feeling when asked
once again,he asked,we responded
Amen. He asked, we answered.
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Scott,
I think you are right, and see that emotions can run high in these situtations. I was trying to bring attention to some the way it could be viewed. Ultimately PA has to make a decision......or Not..... ;D Have a great day
I hope all that feel that got a bad deal can straighten it out with whatever company you have had problems with........and to the companies......if this is true, is it worth it???? :-[
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For those that have had bad experiences with a particular business, have you gone to the business's respecticve state's Better Business Bureau? It's not a government agency, so it has no legal recourse, but it can help you with resolutions and claim a 70% resolution rate.
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Rudderbows... not again... >:( >:( >:(
That's what I meant: soon as the name pops up things bounce to the bad side, anger arises, discussions go misunderstood and so forth.
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I do wonder why when the stave was sent the question of a glue line was NOT addressed from the time the gentlemen got the blank??? Then he worked it??? On the other hand I wonder why Jim being a proffesional bowyer did not catch the flaw??? Seems there was more than one flaw (the knot) and IF this was a begginer stave it would seem Jim chose poorly on the belly wood. I have no idea how much product is moved through Jims shop. Is there the possibility that he has someone beneath him doing some of his work, where he never really inspected the wood??? Is it possible??? Regardless Jim SHOULD personally inspect every piece that goes out......just something to think about???
If this was in reference to "my" blank that I had both a glue lam issue and knot issue with... BOTH were addressed RIGHT away with him,.... he "assured" me it was A-Ok. That was clearly stated several times that no work was done to it UNTIL I had first talked with Jim. I learned the hard way.
It was "worked" after Jimbo said things were peachy,...NOT BEFORE.
In the end he ripped me off big time, promised a "full refund" which I've never seen! Real stand up fellow.
Well, I have much, much better and important things to attend to here then rehash all that horror,....
I just wanted to re-clarify what was already clarified a while back that's all.
Oh, and I see ya celebrated a birthday just recently Brian?...
Happy Birthday! :-)
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hi guys,
WOW, i had no idea that by me asking if anyone has had any experience with woodland archery / rudder bows, that it would have opened such a can of worms. it was never my intention to bash anyone ,or discredit anyones ability or talent . i am new to pa and dont want to get off on the wrong foot . its only natural to inquire about a company or companies when you have a bad experience . its obvious at this point that there is a definate problem with woodland archery /rudderbows by the number of responses, again i am new to primitive archery i wanted to build my own bow but i will not let a bad experience discourage me from enjoying this sport/hobby. its just like everything else you cut your losses and move on
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Doug don't feel bad, you were honest, there are young guys here that need to spend wisely, I have dealt with these guys before! I think that the competition appeared over night! and took rudder bows by suprise! this will get back to him he will change his ways and I hope he gets back on top of the game!!! honestly Jim his son Justin, and Sam harper are the reasons I'm here! and I'll bet that any regular on this site could name 20 guys that could open a business and be just as successful in a month!!! the word will get back!! humble pie is tough to swallow! I wish for the best, and I thank everyone for helping with my hobby there is no place like this best of luck Jim B JEFFW
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1776J,
Birthday?? 4/29/69 not sure what you are refering to , but thanks! ;D Seems Jim did not treat you fairly from your comments... :-\
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1776J,
Birthday?? 4/29/69 not sure what you are refering to , but thanks! ;D Seems Jim did not treat you fairly from your comments... :-\
Haha,....oops....wrong guy!! :o :o hahaha.....
I was thinking of another person when I went to get their email address,....
Long evening with our newborn!!!....haha
Well,... what the heck happy birthday! hahaha
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Man I remember those days, good luck, congratulations..... :D
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DOUGLASB
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LAST POST STATING THAT YOUR INTENT WASN’T TO BASH ANYONE . WE APPRECIATE YOUR KIND WORDS.
HERE IS THE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE HAVE ON THIS MATTER.
1: YOU ORDERED A PARTS KIT FOR A PENOBSCOTT BOW FROM OUR DEALER
2: WE SENT YOU THAT PARTS KIT. PLEASE BEAR IN MIND NO 2 PIECES OF WOOD EVER LOOK THE SAME. HENCE WE SENT YOU EXACLTY WHAT WAS ORDERED .
3: ACCORDING TO YOUR EMAILS TO US, YOU INDICATED YOU WERE TILLERING THE BOW STAVE FROM THE BACK SIDE. WHY DID YOU START CARVING ON THE BOW IF YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD THE WRONG PRODUCT?
4: WE EMAILED YOU BACK THREE TIMES WITH THE PROPER INSTRUCTIONS , HOWEVER, OBVIOULSY OUR EMAILS WENT INTO YOUR SPAM FOLDER AND YOU DID NOT RECEIVED THEM. ALSO WE DID NOT RECEIVE A PHONE CALL FROM YOU EVEN THOUGH OUR BUSINESS CARD WAS IN THE PACKAGE.
5: IN THE NAME OF GOOD WILL, I AM WILLING TO SEND YOU ANOTHER PENOBSCOTT KIT AT NO CHARGE . PLEASE DO CHECK YOUR SPAM FOLDER FOR EMAILS AND CALL US IF YOU NEED HELP WITH THIS PROJECT.
RUDDERBOWS DOES MAKE VERY GOOD PRODUCTS AND WE STRIVE TO DO OUR VERY BEST IN ALL ASPECTS OF BUSINESS. WE PROVIDE GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND SUPPORT, BUT CANNOT DO THIS IF THE CUSTOMER CANNOT COMMUNICTAE WITH US.
MR. DOUGLASB, PLEASE GIVE US A CALL WITH YOUR ADDRESS AND WE WILL SHIP YOU OUT A NEW KIT.
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What about everyone else, Jim? Are you willing to address all concerns, and make things right?
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I've only dealt with Rudderbows one time. I ordered a linen( snakeskin print) backing. Seemed to have good service. It's just located to far away,took forever to get to me. Buts that's not his fault.I used to deal with Bowstick archery, until it was sold. Now it has really bad service. My experience with Jim was good.Sorry to hear so many people had a bad experience! :-[ :-[ My advice: learn from it and move on. Collect your own bow building materials. It's cheaper,more rewarding and, more fun!!! ;) ;)
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hi guys,
well how about that ? iam gona call jim at rudderbows and see if he really does send me out another kit. iam going to keep you guys posted to let you know how this thing finally turns out.
again its not about name callin or bashin but doin the right thing .
steven douglas
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hi guys ,
GUESS WHAT, just got off the phone with rudder bows , THEY ARE SHIPPING OUT A NEW BOW KIT TUESDAY, wow i cant believe it. it seems that i wasnt getting a response from them because of some kind of e-mail filter. if your thinking about ordering a bow or bow kit from woodland archery don"t . you can call rudder bows direct the phone number is on thier web site. i just had a very pleasant conversation with jim boswells wife and she urged me to call anytime with questions or concerns on the construction of any of their kits.
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I have only bought one item from Rudderbows, but it came in the mail very quickly, was exactly what I ordered, in perfect shape, no complaints. That is my only experience.
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Wow! I have been a customer of Rudderbows for 4 years now. Never once have i been wronged or lied to by Jim. Jim and his wife are very nice people. It was Jim who first started making selfbows with a shelf cut for the arrow. A lot of bowyers thought it couldn't be done. Now, i see more and more bowyers making selfbows with an arrow shelf. Thanks ,Jim for all the help over the years and everything you've sent me!
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I purchased some bodkins for a warbow from Jim at Rudderbows and never had a problem, he answered my questions promptly through email and was a pleasure to do business with.
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People have been cutting shelves in wood bows for at least 50 years and probably longer. My first bows 25 years ago had cut in shelves in them. ???
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People have been cutting shelves in wood bows for at least 50 years and probably longer. My first bows 25 years ago had cut in shelves in them. ???
ROFLMAO You must be mistaken Pat. It was actually I that created the cut in shelf on self bows, but the concept was stolen from me before I could market the idea.
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yup and Al Gore and I created the internet and global warming ;D
i have seen many old self bows with cut in shelfs(POPE AND YOUNG ARCHERY MUSEUM)
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Tim, I was waiting for someone to bring that up! ::)
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WOW!!!....
Just,....
WOW!!!.....
Jim's fan club just logged on didn't they?..... :P
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wtf
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wtf indeed !!!!!!!!!!!
surprised this thread has lasted this long. oh well.
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Wow! I have been a customer of Rudderbows for 4 years now. Never once have i been wronged or lied to by Jim. Jim and his wife are very nice people. It was Jim who first started making selfbows with a shelf cut for the arrow. A lot of bowyers thought it couldn't be done. Now, i see more and more bowyers making selfbows with an arrow shelf. Thanks ,Jim for all the help over the years and everything you've sent me!
??? ??? ??? You're kidding, right?
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That is amazing. Right.
If these members of his fan club are really Jim under different user names, it is very easy for the web master or administrators to see if they came from the same IP address. Those are like fingerprints. I do recall Jim using more than one member name, but maybe no one checked that out before. Or since he is an advertisers, they didn't want to hurt the ad revenue they were getting from him. We all know money talks.
Dane
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Remember, BIG BROTHER is watching and knows all! >:D
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Yes. Minitrue will send you to the disputed territories, after all, where bows are not allowed. I'm so glad I live in Oceania. Does Jim? :)
Dane
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Wow! I have been a customer of Rudderbows for 4 years now. Never once have i been wronged or lied to by Jim. Jim and his wife are very nice people. It was Jim who first started making selfbows with a shelf cut for the arrow. A lot of bowyers thought it couldn't be done. Now, i see more and more bowyers making selfbows with an arrow shelf. Thanks ,Jim for all the help over the years and everything you've sent me!
??? ??? ??? You're kidding, right?
No, what I meant was... does wvarcher really think that Jim Boswell 'invented' the cut in arrow shelf on a selfbow?
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Remember, BIG BROTHER is watching and knows all! >:D
Go boys go!
"RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!"
(In my best Englishman's voice!)
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Wholey Crap! ;D Aren't you glad we let this go on, BrianM. We would have never learned this Tidbit of Histerical information about "cut in shelves", and the four happy customers would have never had a chance to turn this dark, sad, thread into a pretty "rainbow" one.
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eddie,you also forgot
no one would have found out that AL Gore and I invented the internet and global warming too ;D
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Everybody already new that,Tim ::) ;)
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Wholey Crap! ;D Aren't you glad we let this go on, BrianM. We would have never learned this Tidbit of Histerical information about "cut in shelves", and the four happy customers would have never had a chance to turn this dark, sad, thread into a pretty "rainbow" one.
Hahaha,....
I think this picture sums up this thread,...
Pandas puking up rainbows...says it all! hehehe
(http://www.listicles.com/wp-content/upload/rainbowpanda.png)
Amazing what's around the net!!
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I LOVE IT
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm panda >:D
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enjoy!!!
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Douglasb, Take a look at Jim's website. You will be blown away by the many types of bows he offers. There is just about everything you would need to make a bow. Too much stuff to mention here. Jim's prices are competitive. You can also call him!
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I love the extremes of this thread. How could someone so good, be so BAD?? :o
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It is odd that WV used the term competitive pricing. A term we all use all the time. :)
1776, you called Jim. How did that work out? - I already know, read the thread about the horror story you had with Rudderbows. Rhetorical question, of course.
Dane
Douglasb, Take a look at Jim's website. You will be blown away by the many types of bows he offers. There is just about everything you would need to make a bow. Too much stuff to mention here. Jim's prices are competitive. You can also call him!
...and with every purchase you get a bobble head Jimbo doll too!
...with every bump in the road it the head keeps swelling! Entertainment for the entire family!
:o
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1776J, Jason
We need to refrain from personal attacks. Some of your comments are starting to be be a little inappropriate, please consider this your first warning.
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Not a problem Eddie,... already taken care of...
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OK guys, lets let this topic die! Time to get back to bow building. Thanks!!!
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Since it appears that people are so obsessed with the chance to complain about Rudderbows why don't you do something constructive like COMPLAINING to PA seems as though the people in charge of the board have not wanted to address this issue.....maybe out of fear??? I just don't understand why ANY opinion of any company ESPECIALLY paid advertisers are addressed on a "how to" board. If you think Rudderbows is unethical then why not contact someone that may do something about it.....TOM ONEIL (I THINK) is in charge of advertising. If Rudderbows is unethical, why does PA continue to take his money???
Wouldn't it be easier to add a rule of no discussion of any business names on anything but the advertiser board that would end this crap!! If someone comes on and asks, the mods could easily remove it, and if someone has a opinion ABOUT ANY COMPANY it can be sent PM!!!
Brian
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Brian, the original question was a legit one...
"hi,
i am new to this site , just had a question for you guys what do you all think of woodland archery or rudder bows i got one of thier penobscot kit bows."
The after shock is what got out of hand.
BUT, like I said above, lets let this topic drop.
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If anybody has a problem with advertisers, it is very easy to voice your complaints straight to the people that you saw it from. At Primitive Archer, you need to get in touch with Tom O'Neil, he is a great guy to deal with, and I'm sure he can direct everybody who to get in touch with. That way we can keep this stuff off this Board and just deal with helping each other build bows.
If you saw the same advertisement on Traditional Bowhunter Mag, get in touch with, Belinda Fisher.
If you need the phone numbers or emails, send me a PM.
Eddie
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What about them Packers ;D
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I've missed the game, dealing with this crap. Who won?
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SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Happy night in cheese land ;D
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Pat,
Thats IS the PROBLEM!!! Letting opinions being addressed on a OPEN forum!!! Thought this was about bow building NOT a popularity contest!! You would not allow personal attacks on members here, but I guess companies are fair game??? Eddie in the trading forum has made a thread I believe of positive trading between members???? Would you allow ragging openly of members that feel the got taken advantage of??? I think he has a "book" and I assume the negitive traders are addressed through PM'S??? OR NOT???? I am rather bored with this, and it seems it is going nowhere!!! ;D
Brian
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for someone whos bored with it
you sure seem to keep grabbing for that spoon
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That's why I asked everyone to drop it.
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I like cake.
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for someone whos bored with it
you sure seem to keep grabbing for that spoon
MAN.....