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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Hexrod on January 11, 2011, 11:28:02 pm

Title: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Hexrod on January 11, 2011, 11:28:02 pm
I'm close to fiinshing my first bow, and this forum has been a big help - thought I'd post a few pictures of the current state of affairs.

(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/bowunstrung1-11-11.jpg)
This is a bamboo-backed Ipe and hickory laminate, reflex/deflex.  I make split bamboo flyrods as a hobby, so a bamboo-backed laminate seemed a natural starting place.

(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/bowstrung1-11-11.jpg)

The grip is some burled white oak I found
(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/bowgrip1-12-11.jpg)

I flamed the bamboo before glue-up, both to temper the bamboo, and for cosmetics, as we sometimes do in rod-making
(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/Bowback1-12-11.jpg)

I steamed the pieces before gluing up, in an effort to help them hold their shape.  In spite of that, I lost about 2 inches of reflex during tillering.  The bow is now at 40# at 27 inches.  I was aiming for 35-40#, so so far so good.  (I'm a novice archer as well as bowyer, so massive bows are not yet for me - rotator cuff problems, no thanks, already been there!)

I haven't finished ( or shot) the bow yet, so input on the tiller would be welcome:
(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/tiller1-11-11.jpg)
Just remember that I've never tillered a bow, never spoken with anyone who has...  so the little I know about tillering I learned from you guys here!  LOL

Thanks,

Lee



Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Elktracker on January 12, 2011, 01:04:59 am
I have no experiance in tillering reflex deflex here so cant help you on that, but I will say I think the bow looks good I especially like the grip and the flamed boo look. Hope someone here helps you out with the tiller good job and nice to have you here with us welcome
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: medicinewheel on January 12, 2011, 03:51:43 am
From what the braced looks like this is a good full draw; this is an incredible result for a first try most of all!
You should not temper backing bamboo.
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Rick Wallace on January 12, 2011, 04:21:19 am
I wish my first one looked that good!!   FANTASTIC!  Shoot it!
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: TBod on January 12, 2011, 04:36:08 am
Nice bow!

Is it possible to make a flyrod out of Hazel or something similar or is bamboo the only way?
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Pappy on January 12, 2011, 07:31:37 am
Great looking bow and really impressive for you first. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: hillbilly61 on January 12, 2011, 08:06:17 am
Great looking bow and really impressive for you first. :)
   Pappy


 Ditto!!!!!
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: cracker on January 12, 2011, 08:26:11 am
What they said, Beautiful.
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: half eye on January 12, 2011, 10:29:42 am
Hexrod,
     Judging by the unbraced, braced and full draw pics.....quit workin on it and start shootin it !!! Seriously, that things a damned fine bow, and the symmetry couldn't be any better....oh ya, I allways been a sucker for a pair of "workin" recurves.
rich
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: n2huntn on January 12, 2011, 11:11:19 am
 A real gem. Can't wait to see yuor second.
Jeff
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Sparrow on January 12, 2011, 11:24:33 am
That is very nice ! Looks like you are a natural. Welcome to the website.  '  Frank
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Sidewinder on January 12, 2011, 11:43:34 am
Beautiful job. Can't wait to see what you come up with when you get e few more under your belt. That handle wood is incredible,   Danny
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Pat B on January 12, 2011, 01:20:57 pm
Very nice bow and especially for your first. The tiller looks quite good.
  If I may suggest ...using the ipe for the belly lam rather than the hickory is a better choice because of the incredable compression strength of the ipe. The hickory will make a fine center lam or even backing but is not the best choice for a belly lam...but obviously you handled the combo you used quite well.
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Parnell on January 12, 2011, 01:41:10 pm
Absolutely amazing for a first bow.  Well done, sir!
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: PeteDavis on January 12, 2011, 02:29:32 pm


I like it.
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: bubby on January 12, 2011, 03:43:27 pm
it look's like you cut the nock grooves thru the boo back, you might want to glue on tip overlays, on my first boo bow I did like you andafter a while the string lifted a long sliver from the nock to the node. ended up pikeing the bow  and added tip overlay's, couple a thousand shot's latter, no problem, any how that's a very nice bow
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Hexrod on January 12, 2011, 04:10:04 pm
Thanks for the kind words and especially for the constructive comments.  As you all know, when a guy is starting out, not knowing what's going on, having a first effort come out may have as much to do with luck as skill  :)

Medicinewheel - just so I learn, could you explain the thinking behind not tempering a bamboo back?  Thanks.

Bubby - thanks for the observation on the nocks.  Makes sense.  My original plan was to cut up an antler shed I found and use 2 of the blunt points for overlays.   Wanted to see if I was able to make a "shooter" before going that far.  Another solution might be to wrap the tip, just under the nock, with some thread, sealed with varnish.

PatB - thanks for observations on woods - I'll look into ipe for a belly

TBod - yes, you can make fly rods out of wood.  Before bamboo came into common use, that was the standard.  Then as bamboo was being introduced, they made rods with wood butts and bamboo tips.  Then all bamboo.  There is a new-ish book by John Betts on making a flyrod out of wood.  Check it out.

Thanks again, all!

lee
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: swamp yeti on January 12, 2011, 04:35:21 pm
             Killer bow,nice work.
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: bubby on January 13, 2011, 02:23:37 pm
their are several ways to do the tips in the archive section, I do mine similar to Gordons
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: TBod on January 13, 2011, 06:08:25 pm
Thanks! I ordered the book just now, exiting.
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Hexrod on January 14, 2011, 12:10:13 pm
I shot the bow the other night, and it seems to shoot just fine.  I'm not enough of an archer to analyze a bows behavior but a couple of guys at the range familiar with wood bows said it is light, fast, and smooth, with no handshock.  Sounds good to me.

So I added antler-shed overlays at the tips
(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/bowtip1-14-11.jpg)

And I put a couple coats of tru-oil on the bow - brought out the colors a bit
(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/bowback1-14-11.jpg)

(http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac111/Hexrod/bowgrip1-14-11.jpg)

Thanks once again to this forum for sharing your knowledge.
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: youngbowyer33 on January 14, 2011, 05:50:54 pm
That's spectacular, one of the nicest, if not the nicest first bow I have ever seen. Excellent work
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: dragonman on January 15, 2011, 04:40:46 pm
beautiful bow, amazing job for your first bow. (If you'd put that ipe on the belly instead of in the centre it would have been even better!!!!...)
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Josh on January 17, 2011, 05:05:09 pm
very beautiful bow!  Looks more like a 10th bow than a 1st!  :) :)  Adding those tip overlays should make it last for a long long time.  Got it bookmarked for January Backed BOM contest!  :)
Title: Re: BBIH - FIRST BOW
Post by: Kitsu on January 19, 2011, 01:32:43 pm
very beautiful bow!  Looks more like a 10th bow than a 1st!  :) :)  Adding those tip overlays should make it last for a long long time.  Got it bookmarked for January Backed BOM contest!  :)

agreed, i cant believe this is a first, and i really hope to see more heh