Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: stringstretcher on January 11, 2011, 07:13:17 am
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What do you use. A double loop bowstring, or a single loop with a bowyers knot for you bowstrings?
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1 loop and bowyers knot for tillering and sometimes when I am lazy I use the same string that I tillered the bow with for the regular string. I just go 3 back through instead of 2 if I plan on using it for the regular string :)
Pappy
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Depends on how lazy I am when I make the string and of which material I make it.
Like you for tillering and shooting the bow in I use a single loop and bowyer's knot.
For bows of 75 lb and under I generally use B50 and a single loop, but will make double loop if I feel like it. With heavier bows and especially when using 425 "X" I go for double loop.
Craig.
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When using the bowyers knot, do you tie off the free end with something, or just let it frazzle out? Just asking to find out what keeps the bowyers knot end from untwisting?
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When using the bowyers knot, do you tie off the free end with something, or just let it frazzle out? Just asking to find out what keeps the bowyers knot end from untwisting?
I just use a overhand knot in the end to keep it from unwinding. Plaited loop on one end and a timber hitch on the other.
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I'm lazy enough to use a single loop and bowyers knot all the time. ;D For a long tiller string I use para cord with a slip knot in each end. For a short tiller string I use a B-50 string with one loop and bowyers knot. This string is long enough(ans strong enough) to use while making any length bow. When I hit brace height I make a string for that bow with a single loop and a bowyers knot.
When I first make the permanent string I prestretch it then tie off the bowyers knot , put it on the bow and stretch it again by placing the bow across my knees and push down and out on the bow's tips. After I'm sure the string has stretched enough I tie an overhand knot in the tag end up against the bowyers knot and let the rest frey. Once I get a string(knot and string) broke in I rarely have trouble with it slipping. If it does stretch a bit I unhook the bowyers knot from the tip and give it a few twist until it gets to my fistmele.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HdMsP9OZ40
For those who learn better by seeing it done.....like me...haha
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I use an upper limb loop and a lower limb bowyers knot (timber hitch). Do so cause that way the lower loop does not slide off of the bow when it's unbraced and being transported/carried.
rich
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Stringstretcher, Tim Baker's chapter on "Strings" in TBB (#1 or 2) shows how to finish off the end of a bowyer's knot by tapering ,waxing and reverse twisting so you end up with a tail instead of another knot. It's in among the pictures at the end of the chapter.
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I hate bowyers knots. I stopped using em after like the 3rd one or so that broke on me. Maybe it was the second come to think of it. I use specifically linen for string material, so that might have something to do with it. I use a double loop always. Even when tillering. I almost forgot there was such a thing as a bowyers knot till I read this thread, :)
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Flemish twist, both ends. Never have had a failure.
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You can finish off your bowyers knot by leaving 1 strand long and trimming the others to length.
Then use the long strand to whip finish and it'll all stay together nice and neat.
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That's a cool idea Scott!
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When using the bowyers knot, do you tie off the free end with something, or just let it frazzle out? Just asking to find out what keeps the bowyers knot end from untwisting?
I just use a overhand knot in the end to keep it from unwinding. Plaited loop on one end and a timber hitch on the other.
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Other knots that work well are wall knpte or crown knots, less bulky than overhand knots.
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Double loop for me, no slip, no wrongly set brace height, and it's quick.
Only down side is getting the right length, but an adjustable length tillering string will let you find that out.
Not very traditional, but I've always done it that way. I have done a Flemish twist linnen string just for the heck of it which was quite pretty...
Del
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I use old bow strings for tillering. After 20+ years of making and breaking I have a quite a few. They are double loopers though I have been known to tie a bowyer's not for tillering. If the bow has a reflex though I use FF ad those are too long and need a bowyer's knot. My shooting strings are B 50 double loopers. Jawge
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I like the loop and knot..knot stays tied onto the bow and it's there when I want it. By staying securely tied on it keeps the twist correct once it is "set" in. I also like hanging the bow on a peg, on the loop end, which keeps then hanging vertical. I can also quickly tell which end is up on a self bow. Nothing wrong with double end loops.
Be sure and tie a few extra strands into the ends for added strength when using either way. Will help keep it from breaking at the wear and stress spots...Good Luck
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A number of you seem to think that a lower loop will fall off. If you make it small enough to be tight(ish) the lower loop will never fall off.
Craig.
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I prefer the double loop endless string. I have nails driven into my string making jig (just a 1x3x6 board) at different lengths so making a string the correct length for any particular bow is very quick and easy.