Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: IrishMonk on January 04, 2011, 12:46:39 pm
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No question is a dumb one right ? good... ;D
So, does a longbow with a 60 lb draw have the same range and velocity as a compound bow with a 60 lb draw ? Does 60 lbs = 60 lbs regardless of the bow type ?
thanks
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Nope. ;D
A compound bow stores more energy.
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A compound bow could be made that drew 60 pounds all the way up and then held at say 40.
The long bow will come up slowly from say 10pounds to 60, so it won't accumualte as much energy during the draw.
Del
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ok, so what would the differences be in the two as far as efective kill range (deer) and fps etc... given the same poundage and arrow... roughly ?
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This is so vague as to be meaningless, it seem like random questions with no real purpose.
I don't think anyone here is actually interested in compounds.
I'd guess a sensible killing/hunting range for a primitive is upto 30 yards, but I daresay if you could be certain of hitting your mark it would kill upto say 75.
Del
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Howard Hill killed an elk at 185 yards with a wood bow! It did take him 3 arrows to hit it. ::) If you can hit a target at 100 miles with an arrow from a wood bow it will kill it. My effective range with a wood bow is 25 yards max(prefer 10 to 15), about the same as when I shot a compound.
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I do not believe that a compound is more accurate at all. It is faster, but the accuracy is up to the person shooting the bow.
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"This is so vague as to be meaningless, it seem like random questions with no real purpose.
I don't think anyone here is actually interested in compounds." 'Del The Cat'
Well, my purpose is to try to understand how the longbow functions in relation to what I know... the compound bow. I'm sincere in wanting to hunt with and learn to build longbows. The answers I wanted would effect my future decisions, such as deer lease choices, based on land layout... cover etc. ( Best time to get a lease is early... ) Hope that clears up why I'm asking....
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I think if you could get your hands on a traditional bow and shoot it a bit you would figure it out pretty quickly. Kenneth
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not that accurate ever seen bryon ferguson shoot?
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Well, I can't say... have'nt seen any longbow competitions etc. But thes guys are extremely accurate with the compound at 70 meters, about 77 yards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1LB1_vUic&feature=related .
However their compounds with 20 different contraptions attached to them does'nt appeal to me.
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i have an uncle whom has made many many robin hood arrow shots
most with his trad gear years ago,only one with his hi tech wheelie contraption ;) ;D
accuracy is in the hands of the person holding/shooting the bow
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Morning, Irish -
Having recently abandoned the compound for the wood bow, I get your question. Simply put - my 60 pound compound, 26.5" draw, throws an arrow just at 300 feet a second. From my limited experience with wood bows, same draw weight, 150-170 a second feet is really moving for an all wood bow, depending on bow design. I could be off on the wood bow chrono speeds, again my experience with all wood is limited.
It is my opinion that a well made wood bow will cast an arrow as predictably as a compound. Arrow on target (accuracy) is the shooter. Bow sights make compounds more forgiving, (thus more "accurate") as minor shooting form issues can be "tuned away", just like a rifle scope is "dialed" on the gun range.
The wood bow is making me a better shooter. Form issues, in my opinion, become readily apparent with the wood bow.
Kill range? Haven't shot anything other than butts with the wood bow yet. Kill range is always a hairy conversation anyway......
I hope this helps.
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
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It's self evident, the flatter trajectory the more accurate, but only due to the error in estimating range.
e.g If you underestimate the range by 10yards with a 150fps bow you may drop say 8". With a 300fps bow you'll only drop 4"
(Or whatever the atual figures are.... I can't be bothered to do the maths, bu you get the drift)
Del
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.... my purpose is to try to understand how the longbow functions in relation to what I know... the compound bow. I'm sincere in wanting to hunt with and learn to build longbows. The answers I wanted would effect my future decisions, such as deer lease choices, based on land layout... cover etc. ( Best time to get a lease is early... ) Hope that clears up why I'm asking....
In my archery journey I have killed deer with a compound out to 43 yards, with a glass recurve out to 32 yards and with a self longbow out to 18 yards. To be honest, some of that has to do with the way I set up with each weapon. You just naturally make setups to leverage the capabilities of the weapon you're using. It is also more enjoyable as the challenge increases and the distance to game decreases. Certainly, the weapon can kill game further than I can accurately shoot it, but at some point your goal shifts away from what's possible towards what's enjoyable.
When I want to shoot far or bringing home meat is critical, I carry a .243 or a .308. I'm not hung up on weapon type at all. Depending on the setup, how I feel and needs of the day I choose the weapon for that day. Quite frankly, my current lease hasn't been set up very well for self bows, so I've been carrying a glass recurve in bow season. That is changing though and I'll soon be going after hogs with a selfbow because I have a nice close setup now (and because it's fun ;D).
Good luck,
George
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Where I hunt in GA all of the club members shoot compounds except me. They all can miss as easily as I can and all have. ;D
I hunted with a compound for quite a few years and killed way more deer with the compound. Even when hunting with a compound(or gun for that matter) I set up my stands the same. I prefer 10 to 15 yard for bow shots but will take a shot at 25 if everything feels right. Actually I have no idea at what distance I'm good to because I never measured it. I let my brain do the math...instinctive shooter.
I have come across quite a few situations where instinctive shooting worked better because of timeing and target positioning and as far as I am concerned a traditional bow(both wood or glass) are a better hunting instrument that a compound. That ought to get the pot stirred up! ;D
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im with pat iv killed moose elk deer bears and a grizzly with a long bow some of those shots no way i could a even made with a compond if im gonna shoot for stright meat the 243 or 338 comes out brock
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I think it is easier to be accurate with a compound. They have sights and a peep, and once they are set, it is sort of like shooting a gun with open sights. Shooting a selfbow with no sights takes a lot of practice to be accurate. I am still working on it. I had to resort to the compound this past season so I could fill the freezer. I will say that shooting a selfbow that you make with your own hands is much more rewarding and fun.
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First off I don't make bets and second I don't target shoot per se. My shooting is related to hunting and at my comfort distance I can put an arrow in the kill zone of my quarry. That is plenty good for me. I don't have to proove anything to anyone but myself. ;)
I find shooting my selfbows as easy as any other bows I've ever shot. It's all in taking the bull by the horns and doing it. The most difficult part of shooting instinctively is in the concentration after the mechanics of shooting are ingrained in my brain. When I'm hunting I don't even realize I have shot sometimes. It is all instinctive. That's the way I like it. Too much thinking gets in my way!
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My last one was a PSE Nova, back in the 80s. I even sent it back to PSE to have the cams replaced with wheels so I could try shooting it instinctively with the smoother draw. I could never get used to the let off. I like the feel of the weight increasing as I draw and as soon as I hit anchor the arrow is on it's way.