Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: NTD on December 28, 2010, 01:44:58 am
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My wife and I have been talking and we'd like to add another dog to the family. We've been thinking about a GSP for quite a few years now and I would really like to have a hunting partner. Any chance any of you folks might breed a liter of them every now and then?
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GSP? ???
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He's the middleweight title holder in the UFC. George St. Pierre. ;D
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Those are beautiful dogs. I met one when we had our chocolate lab in "puppy kindergarten". They almost look like a lab in the face, and the white with brown spots on the body is gorgeous.
Pat - I'm assuming thats the german shorthaired pointer
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I've pheasant hunted behind 2 great gun dogs in my life. The best was a female yellow lab. The other one was a female german shorthair. Both those dogs had the great love for people and love for hunting coupled with super instincts and training. Have hunted behind lots of other labs, brittanies and springers, as well as a couple other GSPs but nothing that approached those 2. My Dad owned the yellow lab and a friend owned the GSP. I'm not sure I'd want either breed in the house though. Most GSPs are tall enough to eat right off the table (though that favorite of mine was smaller) and the labs have a tail that can sweep everything off a coffee table in a heartbeat. Anyway, I don't know of any GSP breeders and haven't pheasant hunted seriously in 20 years. Good luck, I would recommend a female.
George
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They seen to be pretty high strung so lots of exercise will be needed to help curtail that. I've only known one or two so not enough info to say.
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George outlined the basic reasons I want a german shorthair. Family friendly with a work ethic. I also like the short coat, size and I think they are handsome dogs. I'm thinking a female too George ;)
As far as the high energy Pat ;D I worked Malinois' as a K9 handler and currently own a working malinois. I've never seen a GSP on it's best day have as much energy as a good working malinois.
Here's a pic of Ibu having a mellow moment ;D
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I yield to the gentleman in the uniform! ;D ;)
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I turned down a 7 yr old field trained, mellow as the day was long, smart as a whip german shorthaired pointer bitch named Hershey when a friend was concentrating on training her daughter, Snickers. That was the ONLY mistake I have ever made in my whole life worse than when I married my now exwife. And trust me, I got a lot of mistakes to choose from for that honor.
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JW what a dummy ;D
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Holy crap !! its the Fuzz !!!
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I prefer the Latin terminology... non compost mentos *
*dumber than dirt
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Dude Ken....The Fuzz...I haven't heard that term for the PoPo in a longtime. I think My grandfather used to call them "The Fuzz" ;D
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What you want for a good hunting dog is a German Wirehaired Pointer. Best dogs I have ever been around. I love mine and she is a chukar hunting machine. The dog on the left is my friends he is half shorthair and half wirehair. The female on the right my dog is full blood wire hair. Thats only an afternoon of hunting also.
Tell
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ive always been behind the times ....prinitive u could say
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NTD Those malinois are some wild dogs :o They like protection work a bit more than shepherds even. There where a few in the shutzhund class I attended and they just couldn't wait to take someone down ;D Cool dogs 8)
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;D Yes yes indeed. Only someone who has met one truly understand what I mean when I talk about a High drive dog ;) My current boy really is a lover but he loves the fight even more.
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Tell,
I appreciate the input. What differences do you notice between wire and shorts?
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I loved my shorthairs, but they were definitely high strung. They were great with the kids too.
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The wirehair is a family dog. they are very loyal and protective of home and family. They tend to be better suited for cold weather, and love water. They are tough dogs it takes alot to see one that is hurt.
The shorthair has a good nose, works well in warm weather. They dont tend to like water much, though some do. They are a much smaller dog, and they are very high strung. they need to be constantly doing something. where my wirehair is much more laid back, almost like the old lazy hound. (until its hunting time, then she comes alive.)
They are both good dogs. I love the wirehair for their toughness and disposition. And you dont see to many of them around, I like to have things that are different. They are just cool dogs.
Good luck in finding one.
I know a guy here that has shorthairs that are 4 weeks and for sale. He has 11 of the little guys. Im in southern Idaho. They are good hunters I have hunted with the parent dogs.
tell
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Tell,
I can see the benefit of the rough coat but I think that the short hair might be a bit better due to me being in a pretty warm spot and I hardly ever see or get near water. And as far as the uniqueness LOL I already have one dog that I have to say..."No he's NOT a german shephard" ;D ;)
What's he asking for the pups? Know if he'd be willing to put one on a plane?
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The real shorthairs aren't really smaller. Mine came straight out of Germany and they were large, about the same as a longhair. The stud was top stud in Germany and the US and was a dual champion (trials and show). The lady that bred the pups (a German immigrant) said that most dogs from Germany were bigger, and that the smaller US dogs had English Pointer bred into them. She said that any time you see a mostly white GSP or one with bowed front legs you should see red flags.
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Thanks for the info Justin.
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Can't go wrong with Shorthairs. They are either very good dogs or terrible dogs,(Whoa,like alot of breeds) usually the former. But like horses and women,it's in the breeding. I put good breeding ahead of everything else,training comes next.Good dogs often overcome Bad trainers,but bad dogs just don't train well.
I have a friend who has had Wirehairs and Griffons forever (Otherwise known as ugly dogs ;D) He's in his seventies , still has 3 griffons and hunts every season.Best and worse dogs he ever owned, were shorthairs. I have owned shorthairs and griffons (And Labs.) and been around a good many of all bird dogs in the last forty years,Have trained a few for others too. (on both coasts). I currently have no dog,love to bird hunt,have moved to bird country again and have bought a home here. I will be getting a dog next year and have feelers out with Hunter/Breeders that I know personally, I will get a shorthair (Birds) and a Lab (Everything,but especially waterfowl) I was considering a pair of Britty's, but decided three was too many dogs. The finest dog I ever hunted behind in terms of "Best hunter" was a Visla bitch that a friend owned. I just think you can't beat a well bred shorthair. (Plus we have alot of cockleburrs and other sticky crap around here, long haired dogs are a pain because of them) The use of electronic training collars has reined in wide ranging Breeds and made them a delight to hunt on foot with. (I never was enthused about mounted dog trials.)
My 2 cents. ' Frank
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Hey Nate.
He said he would ship them on a plane. we can email you pictures too. They are 250 for a male and 300 for a female. They are abou 4 weeks old now. PM me for any other info.
Thanks
Tell
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Well, now I see why you get to ride the roads at night without your wife complaining. ;D I can't ad much to this, I've had Lab's.
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Yeah Eddie, wouldn't be a pretty sight if someone messed with my wife with the dog around. But with that being said, she works graveyards and I usually do the road cruising on the nights she works. And being the lovely woman she is she even tags along on her days off sometimes ;)
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Frank,
You mentioned the Vizslas, My Great Grandfather, a Hungarian immigrant, bred vizslas. He used to tell me that real hunters hunt birds. He was an incredible man, unfortunately his health never allowed us to hunt together :'( I'd like a Vizsla but it seems if you want a solid nerved Vizsla you have to sell body parts to afford one, they were too pretty and the pet people bred the snot out of them. Pet and show breedings have ruined a lot of good dogs, it what happens when they forget that you breed for function and form follows...not the other way around...
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My Grandpa said that the cocker spaniel was as good a small hunting dog as a guy could want back before the show people got ahold of them. I hear there are some guys bringing back the hunting cocker. I did not know that they had started on the Visla's. ' Frank
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Dang Nate, I wasn't going to get in this, but since you mentioned that your "GrandFather", used to say " Fuzz ", well, in that same " Era " there was also PIG..... ;D The PO PO is fairly recent. No, I am not ragging on de Po Leece, My family has a history, of police officers, including one in the FBI, and I had an offer to join the FBI when I got out of the Amy. When I was a Kid, about the time your "GrandFather" was, ::),We had an English Setter. What a great Bird Dog he was. We had deer dogs, and one mixed breed, we hunted with, part black and tan, and red bone, and blue tick, would point turkeys, and quail, and retrieve doves, as well hunt the heck out of deer, and was a real sweet heart. I think if you have a good dog, that likes to hunt, and is trained well, and rewarded with lots of affection, you will not be disappointed in the results. ;) When I lived in the Virgin Islands, I worked with a Sheppard, and Dobermans. All good dogs. The Shepard was smarter, but people would ask if the Shepard would bite, and never ask that about the Dobies. It was just automatically assumed that it would. My Buddy had a Rottwieler, and had it for home protection down there. It was a very smart dog. It would lift it's claws up and just walk on it's pads, when attacking the trainer, when he would call and tell them he would come in the kitchen door. My Buddie had to get his wife to watch him do that. He would lift his claws while walking across the terrazzo kitchen floor, and once on the carpet, he would nail the trainer! My Buddy had to take the kids into the bedroom, and close the door before he could spank them. The dog wouldn't let him otherwise. They also used German Short Hair and Giant Schnauzers for guard dogs down there also. Well give my regards to Sherriff Aiparo, or however you spell it. I think HE Should be the head of Homeland Security! Then you could take his place as Sherriff! 8) They let your Wife ride with you? Cool! 8)
Wayne
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Wayne;
Was the FBI giving everybody an interview that had been with Amy?
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Beats my two aces, Eddie, I was told it was because of my clearances with the Crypto stuff. Did you get an offer also? I told them I wasn't interested, as I could not get assigned to a place of my preference. My luck it would be in Detroit, or downtown Baltimore. :P Not my idea of choice assignments. ;D
Wayne
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New Pup should be here this weekend ;D I'm getting excited. Got to track down some homing pigeons now. I figure if I get her around enough birds she might be ready to hunt with next winter. Time to pratice with the flu flus ;D
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I'm sure you will, but you better put up some pics when you get her!!
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My lifetime favorite dog was a gsp "junior" still miss him. A good dog on any game we hunted. Good in the water or land. Not the best at anyone thing but good at everything. I think GSp do better as a one dog family dog, unlike a lot of hunting dogs they do better as part of the family than as kennel dogs. He wasn't just a hunting dog to me, I looked at him like a best friend. Great with other dogs and people but hard to beat as a watchdog. We had a party one time and must have had close to fift people in my house. I brought him in to show off some of his skills, suddenly he turned on one of the ladies dates that we didn't know and I had to physicaly drag him from the house, never did this before. Turned out this guy was wanted for murder and child molestation. The dog somehow knew it. Steve
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Yep ! Started all my dogs on pigeons, works good. (Can't start them too early). Congrat's ' Frank
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Frank,
You mentioned the Vizslas, My Great Grandfather, a Hungarian immigrant, bred vizslas. He used to tell me that real hunters hunt birds. He was an incredible man, unfortunately his health never allowed us to hunt together :'( I'd like a Vizsla but it seems if you want a solid nerved Vizsla you have to sell body parts to afford one, they were too pretty and the pet people bred the snot out of them. Pet and show breedings have ruined a lot of good dogs, it what happens when they forget that you breed for function and form follows...not the other way around...
Indeed! Lots of genetic garbage out there because of the breed "standards" I've met one vizla and it was pretty as all get-out. I've heard that German shepherds have fallen out of favor for police work because of this - is that why the Malanois are so popular with law enforcement now? I mentioned this to the handlers that recently swept my school, and they had heard this also. 1 had a shep and 1 had a malanois. the malanois was a badass.
Good luck with the new pup!
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@Cam, You darn right I'll be posting pics.
@Badger, That's an incredible story but doesn't suprise me, great dogs such as yours truly are good judges of character! Everything else you said is what attracted me to this breed!
@Sparrow, that's what everyone has told me. Was gonna go the quail route but seems too likely a chance she might catch them :o
@Postman, A GOOD german shepherd is still preferred by many handlers and trainers because the Malinois can be a bit too much dog. But finding a good GSD for a reasonable price is not easy. The cost of a solid, non crippled working line GSD will buy you 3 good malinois. Ijust pray the malinois doesn't get ruined. It's gained a lot of poplularity in the last few years. The good thing is there are a lot of ugly malinois, helps keep the show peoples hands off of them. But people seeing the badass allure have taken to breeding sub par Malinois to make a quick buck in the Personal protection arena.
I love my malinois' but a good one is more dog than most people knew was possible.
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Did the deal work out with Mike? I hope it did. He has good dogs.
Tell
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Did the deal work out with Mike? I hope it did. He has good dogs.
Tell
Tell, Yes it did. I'm getting the second pup that was born, a little liver and roan female they call Dolly. Thanks for setting me up with them Tell, I owe ya one.
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I used to spend weeks breaking a dog to steady on point, I don't consider myself a rough trainer at all but once I let them know whoa meant whoa it went a lot faster. I like to keep the discipline sessions to a minimum and keep the fun stuff whenever possible, so getting through some of the rough stuff early makes a lot more time for the fun stuff. Both dog and owner appreciate this. I imagine they have better methods now but a wing on a fishing line playing with a pup would usually have the pup almost broke before he ever saw a bird.
I have a funny story about breaking dogs, I hooked up with a couple of pro's as an apprentise and was eager to learn. They told me they were gonna share one of their secrtes with me about styling a dog up on point, the judges like a stylish dog with a high tal and it will win field trials.
So when the dog goes on point slowly walk up and while stroking his tail backward to get it nice and high take the left hand and stroke just along the side of his shaft. The dog will start to associate birds with sex and it makes for some real stylish dogs. Well I came back the next weekend for some dog work and wanted to show off the progress I had made. I will be dammed if the first bird my dog pointed didn't give him a woody! I thought those guys were gonna die laughing. I got pissed off and left but by next weekend we were all laughing about it.
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Steve that's friggin hilarious. It's funny that you were that driven to get that "styling" point :o. He pointed all right ROFLMAO ;D
It's must be a dog handler/trainer thing. At K9 school we were always pranking each other left and right.
I only train in the sport side of it now but there is still a lot of raggin on each other. Definitely a lot of due paying involved ;)
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I wouldn't have told that one....... ::) ;D ;D He just might stick around for more...... "styling"........ ;D ;D
Wayne
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Steve, I got a GSP from a guy that couldn't control it. The stupid dog did that did that every time we hunted. He had a testosterone problem though. He would try to mount every dog we met, male or female. He also wanted to fight. If you don't have a firm/consistent hand when training, you need to castrate the males.
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Justin, I have seen quite a few GSP's that were fighters. A lot of American breeders were sneaking English pointer into their lines trying to win field trials. The English pointers were well infused with pit bulls back in the 1940's to toughen them up a bit. Most of the fight was bred out of the pointers but tended to come back out when they were crossed with something else. Steve
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I have had three gsps in my life all have been good hunters,as well as working great with my labs in the field. We currently have a half wire half short hair pup 15mos and lab same age I think they are gonna work great together in the field. It seems to me the short / wire cross worked out great even keeld , but more protective than short hair.
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That cracked me up. I am going to have to remember that one and pass it on to someone. Maybe my son. Alfa male dogs,are alfa,My 1st 2 labs were that way. If they know what "NO" means, you can control them. ' Frank
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My pup hunting (a spot onthe couch). ;D
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Nice looking pup Wildman, thanks for sharing. It's looking more likely that mine won't arrive until this coming week or next weekend. Not surehow long it'll take for the check to get to Idaho, then we'll iron shipping details.
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That dog is just too cute. Now you got me back to looking for one. Steve
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Steve you want the conact for the guy I'm getting my pup from?
Here's my little one to be.
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Darn, Nate, sure wish you hadn't did that. ;)
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Ah come on Eddie, it'd be fun for a couple PA guys to get pups from the same litter, be fun to compare notes. ;D
Although I think I'm gonna get in trouble, I told my wife that I could sell a few things to cover the cost of the pup, so far that's not working out LOL
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He sure is a good looking pup, hold in that pic ? I am not quite ready. Going to retire pretty sonn and then relocate. I hope you keep us post on your dogs progress. I might be a year or so before I am actually ready again. Your pup has that look of a good one, I always say I don't know what I am seeing but I know it when I see it. Steve
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What a beautiful dog Nate, makes me want to get another pup. Our chocolate lab is 7 months old now and the girlfriend is already looking back at the puppy pictures saying "awe, isn't she cute? We need another puppy!" Wait till I show her these!
I hope she's good for you. Looking forward to seeing more of her!!
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Just found this thread and some nice looking dogs,
Nate that pup looks awesome. I grew up with GSP's We did allot of bird hunting back then. Love your working partner. I have a friend that is a K9 unit as well. Great field to be in.
Steve I just about blew my dinner on the screen reading your story :D
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Steve, I will definitely keep everyone posted on her.
Cam, Puppies are fun. I love training pups, nothing like seeing the potential and finding a way to bring it out. I'm not a patient guy, dog training and bow making are good for me because they are both exercises in patience ;D
Thanks Keenan, Looks like she might fly in on tuesday.
Found me some pigeons and will be picking up a small flock tomorrow.
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What's next? Pup of the Month? Pup In The Hat? Christmas Pup Exchange?
All sounds good to me.
Know the best thing about puppy breath? IT COMES WITH A PUPPY!
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LOL John, I was wondering when the comment would come that this is a Primitive archery forum not a dog forum >:D Well just you wait until next year when I'm nailing dove and qual over my new pup with some primitive/trad tackle ;D :o
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LOL John, I was wondering when the comment would come that this is a Primitive archery forum not a dog forum >:D Well just you wait until next year when I'm nailing dove and qual over my new pup with some primitive/trad tackle ;D :o
Nate, last year when JJ turned 50 :o :o :o we did a primitive pheasant hunt and it was a kick. Great pointers on point the handler calling them back we would all gather around, he go in and kick up the bird and all the sudden there was arras and feathers in every direction. I think an few of the rosters died from heart attacks and the rest from laughing so hard. I will be doing that again. A whole new sport Primitive Bird Scarring >:D
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That's awesome Keenan, I think I remember you posting about that? I know she won't be anywhere near finished by next year but I'm sure we'll be try to kill a few birds. Got to get practicing, don't want to let the girl down ;D
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Picked up our new pup at the airport at 4:00 today. I think she's gonna be a great dog. Lot's of confidence considering her 2 day ordeal. She flew from Idaho to Seattle and spent the night there at a boarding kennel and then flew here to Tucson this afternoon. She's cuddled up with the wife right now and they are both taking a nap.
Tell, Thanks again for setting us up with Mike, he really treated us well and went above and beyond. Since he won't let me even up with him, I really do owe you one ;)