Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: broketooth on December 12, 2010, 09:04:51 am
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i started this bow back in july. chased a good ring, along with all the other rudementary stuff.i had a bow sleeve for yrs and have always wanted a 2 peice long bow so i got bold and cut my stave in half and fitted it back together(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry002.jpg) i used 2 part epoxy to fit the inner brass sleeves to both halves of the bow(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry004.jpg) this is how it fits together(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry005.jpg)
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(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry009.jpg)this is what it looks like back together in the steel sleeve(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry009.jpg) here area couple of floor tiller pics(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry006.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry007.jpg)
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looks like its coming along great. I need to try one
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this is a pic if where im at on 1 fade of the limb that hope will be the top limb(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry001.jpg)this is a pic of the total limb(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry002.jpg)
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these are pics of the fade and total limb on the character side(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry003.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry009.jpg)
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this is where im at after a couple of heat treatmentslookin at the side profile of the fades and total limbs character limb is first(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry011.jpg) (http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry012.jpg)
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now for the other limb.(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry013.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry014.jpg)
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its at this point that ive been apprehensive to continue. as i said before, this was a one peice stave , i got bold and cut it . i fit the small 2' brass sleeves to both halves of the stave. im guessing , through the tillering process, we will eventually figure out which limb will be the top limb. if im correct the top limb is always the weaker of the 2. at that point i will fit that limb into the steel sleeve with some 2 part epoxy and let it cure for 24 hrs. after that what i plan to do is make a mark 1" down from the top of the steel sleeve, centerd in the handle . drill a hole and install a brass pin to ensure that it doesnt come apart. this also insures that the steel sleeve stays weather proof. hense the bottom limb is shorter when pulled apart(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2piecetakedownfirsttry002.jpg)
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i talked with pat b on the phone a couple of nights ago. i explained my apprehensions. he walked me through the next few steps via the phone. he also asked me if this bow as seen the tiller tree yet, i told him no, but asked him to give me a day or so and i would come up with something. so i dedicated a spot in my garage and came up with this(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry017.jpg) this is a pic of the stave at rest character limb is to the right
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looks real good so far
i like it,ya want my addres now or wait until your finished ;D ;)
seriously,that looks like it will make a very nice bow
a takedown is on my list for next summer
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:D lol thats funny sailordad, you know its not finished until its finished. im still green at this, ive heard of bows blowing apart during the tiller process. with no ryme or reason at that. thats my biggest fear right now , so im going slow but i am picking up steam.
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broketooth, just take your time,take pics,post them pics and ask questions
if you got Pat coaching you,you shouldnt have a problem getting that thing to be a shooter
good luck
them bows that blow for no reason,well theres usually a reason they blow
and its usually our fault(hurrying and pushing the wood to far to fast),sometimes the woods fault(a defect you dont see)
but theres always a reason,we just dont like to admit why most times ;D
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apparently from the pics, mr pat wasnt too keen on my tiller boots with the long string. he explaind that with the extra long string ,it pulls the limb tips down instead of down and in towards the center, creating an elipse. so per his instructions, i should lose the tiller boots and shorten my long string. he told me to file temp. shallow nock grooves, just deep enough so the string doesnt slip. i also used slip knots on each end of the string per mr pats instructions(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry020.jpg)
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ya i seen them pockets on that overly long string too
i wasnt gonna say anything,just cause i done use a long string during tillering
i floor tiller untill i can get a brace height of 1",then i use strings for tillering
but i never use "a long string" for tillering anymore,just my way of doing it
actually i broke my long tiller string about 2 yrs back and just said the hell with it ;D
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(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry021.jpg) mr pat told me about fasset tiller. i was instructed to make marks on both sides of each limb about 1/8" down from the bellyand to make sure that this mark stays parallel with the back of the bow. i also marked the center of the belly. i went through some wood removal and started to show some better limb movement(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/t[IMG]http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry026.jpg)t101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry022.jpg[/IMG] character limb. this is the other limb(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry024.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry025.jpg)
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well thats where im currently at. im going to have some more scraping sessions todayand exercise the limbs on the tiller tree. all comments positive and negative are welcome. ruddy
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It looks to me like you're well on your way to making a very fine bow. Continue patiently, and you'll be fine. You've got some excellent help... I think Pat could walk a blind man through a tillering session.
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good work so far.
Looks like both limbs are starting to hinge right at the fades though
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this bow has a natural deflex it was pretty bad when i started.it took a couple of heat gun sessions to get the limbs to the profile they are now. pat b also told me to stay away from the fades for now and just get the limbs bending together. i worked on the limbs some more today. exercising the limbs for 100 reps inbetween each scraping session this is where im at(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry028.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry029.jpg)
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i also got pretty bold today and made an attempt to get it on the short string(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry030.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry032.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry031.jpg)the nocks needed a better tracking groove so i was told to try this(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry034.jpg)i traced the sides of the string where they touched the belly and filed ing better string grooves. and this is how the string tracks down the bow(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry036.jpg)
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LOOKS GOOD I've built 2 with sleeves but I just never seemed right to me cutting a good stave into.I did my first the way your doing.The second I built a bow to tiller.I left the hand little big then cut it to fit.Both ways worked good.But this way worked out great for me.
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Looking good,I have built a few of them,I always used broken bows and put the good limbs
together.Never cut one into but have thought about it.I like the weight the handle gives them. :)
Nice job on fitting the handle. :)
Pappy
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i appreciate all the advice and support ive been getting. at this point i feel like im heading into dark unknown territory with a weak flashlight :o
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Your doing good.Some of us did'nt have a like.
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ive been out chasin critters the past few days but have had some to work on this project. i noticed a trend of a lot of fellas using sandpaper through the tiller process, so ive stopped using any steel tools and resorted to sand paper. it has slowed me down a little but im making progress. im seeing what someone has told me about deflex taking on set. i also see what pat b is saying about waiting before final tiller to heat in some reflex. im still using a long string on the tiller tree for now . im reall nervous about the short string on the tree for now. here is where im at. at rest(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry038.jpg) and flexed(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry037.jpg) let me know what ya think
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Once you have a bow tillered to brace you should only use the short string to tiller as the long string will give you improper readings of how the limbs are bending. That being said it looks as if your mid to outer limbs are very stiff yet. Might want to use a scraper until you get it closer to final tiller sand paper is good but it will take forever.
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I agree with Ryan on everything! ;)
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as advised i went back to the short string. i am seeing that im starting to get close to what is considered a bow. i talked with pat b on the phone this a.m. , he dispelled a few mysteries for me, about the use of steel tools and some of the situations i was experiencing. such as a washboard effect, when using a scraping tool perpendicular to the belly of said bow.how to alternate scrapes just to remove the the high spots. this morning after talking with mr pat , i had to make a modifaction to the tree , so i could place the bow on the tree while braced. after a 4 sessions of scraping and exercising the limbs for 100 reps between sessions this is where im at. this is a pic of 4 1/2" braced(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry039.jpg) this is a pic at 15" of draw(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry041.jpg)i have absolutely no idea what the draw weight is @ 15" i do realize i need to start paying close attention to a target draw weight and length . i also realize that the right limb, character limb is always on the right needs more work, about mid limb . am i right on these ? ruddy
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ive done quite a bit of work to the bow since my las post as a matter of fact its actually done except for shooting it in and applying a finish here are some pics(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry051.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry053.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry054.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry057.jpg)heating the limbs on the caul
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the heating of the second limb(http://i602.photobucket.c[IMG]http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry059.jpg)om/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry055.jpg[/IMG](http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry058.jpg)mr pat told me not to bend the limbs for a few days and let the wood rehydrate. so while waiting i worked on shaping the tips and doing some finish sanding(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry067.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry068.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry063.jpg)
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(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry071.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry066.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry069.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry070.jpg)the last pics are the belly side of the nocks
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after 2 days of waitng i finally couldnt stand it anymore. i had to string it up get it on the tree to see what it was lookin like.(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry060.jpg) this is the first time lookin at it on the tree . my results of heating the limbs. im impressed at what heat can do to wood. i gave the bow a good workout. i raised the brace to 5 3/4" and pulled her to 28" on the tree to see what it looked like.(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry072.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry073.jpg) according to the scale it came in to 49#@ 28" draw.
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here are some more full draw pics(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry076.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry075.jpg). sorry about not rotating the last pic
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a few more(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry077.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peicebowbuildfirsttry078.jpg). i happen to have a couple of arrows spined for this bow so i had some fun and shot it for several hrs it shoots pretty good.a little thump in the hand upon release and pretty quiet for not having string silencers. thanks to mr pat for all your advice through this build. i learned alot. i know some things already to change for the next build.still some sanding to do. get her cleaned up a little and apply a finish .
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you have done an outstanding job on that. you take advice well and apply it even better,you should be proud.
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Broke Tooth you have produced an excelent looking bow ought to be a really good shooter. You picked a good source of info to tap into Pat is a really good bowyer. You also have an impecable shop that cuts down on frustration of looking for tools amidst clutter like in my shop.Ron
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Looks great, nice job. I realy like the arrow release pic, working one to with a rawhide sleeve. Hope it turns out as nice as yours.
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that's an outstanding bow. love it. I think what ohma said is true. you took advise great and applied it well. good job
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thanks fellas,i tried hard to do a good job. it still needs a finish. i still need to install a pin in the upper limb butt through the steel sleeve to make it perminant , handle wrap, possibly some snakeskins. im not sure if i want to use tru oil or some satin urithane finish thats sprayed on.
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Great job Broke tooth. I have one of those sleeves and have yet to do anything with it. I always wondered about tillering the limbs after I had them glued in. Kinda worried me in case I make a mistake and have to scrap the bow. I have a number of billet sized staves I intiend to use when I do mine.I am curious how most guys do it? Danny
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Well done,nice tiller.
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sidewinder, i actually took a perfectly good one peice stave and cut it in half to make this bow. ruddy
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Very nice,it is coming along nicely. :)
Pappy
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great looking osage take down. I've made a few. I like to buy billets and join them.
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beautiful takedown! Thanks for photo-ing the process it has been fun watching you build this one. :) Got it bookmarked for January Self BOM too. :)
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That is one nice bow all around .Good job
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Great job and thanks for taking us along for the ride!
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i finally finished this 2 piece . its final weight came in to 47#@28" draw. it has 4 coats of tru oil a leather handle wrap and strike plate. (http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peiceselfbowfirsttry004.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peiceselfbowfirsttry003.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peiceselfbowfirsttry008.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peiceselfbowfirsttry009.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peiceselfbowfirsttry006.jpg)(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/2peiceselfbowfirsttry007.jpg)